Video of real presence- eucharistic miracle

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This is an amazing 9 minute video of Jesus’ Real Presence - a Eucharistic miracle that’s worth watching. To the believer, no proof is necessary; to the unbeliever, no proof is enough.

youtube.com/watch?v=qbg_dhI4XCs

God bless.
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Why can’t these things happen in America? It seems like the rest of the world is so fortunate to be able to witness these things, yet we only find out about these events through forums like this, unless we happen to have a good priest.

I guess I need to start planning my world travels for after the kids grow up.
 
The Substance of the Body and Blood of Christ (note, this is the WHOLE Christ, not just bits and pieces of His physical body) exist ONLY under the accidents of Bread and Wine.

Accidents include taste and appearance to the eyes, as well as what laboratory analysis may determine.

If the accidents cease, then so does the Substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, and it’s no longer the Eucharist.

Period.
 
Allow me to add that the Real Presence–that is, the Substance of the Body and Blood of Christ–is ordinarily totally imperceptible to our physical senses. (I’m not saying that some great saints have not somehow perceived it.)

This would include photography and videography.
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Substance of the Body and Blood of Christ (note, this is the WHOLE Christ, not just bits and pieces of His physical body) exist ONLY under the accidents of Bread and Wine.

Accidents include taste and appearance to the eyes, as well as what laboratory analysis may determine.

If the accidents cease, then so does the Substance of the Body and Blood of Christ, and it’s no longer the Eucharist.

Period.
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Are you denying these Eucharistic miracles exist and do you think this video a fraud?
 
I first heard about the miracle in Italy in 1985. I find it interesting that a similar incident occurred so recently.

I don’t know what to make of it.

Fortunately this falls under the category of “private revelations” so I don’t have to believe it. Still, it does give some things to consider. Heart muscle. That has always touched me deeply.

Gertie
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Are you denying these Eucharistic miracles exist and do you think this video a fraud?
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I’m saying, along with the Church, that if something does not look like bread and wine, it’s not the Eucharist.

Remember, the Eucharist is the substance of the ENTIRE Christ, not just bits of His presumed physical body.

What this video is showing bears no resemblance to bread or wine, and therefore not the Eucharistic Christ.
 
bpbasilphx said:
I’m saying, along with the Church, that if something does not look like bread and wine, it’s not the Eucharist.

Remember, the Eucharist is the substance of the ENTIRE Christ, not just bits of His presumed physical body.

What this video is showing bears no resemblance to bread or wine, and therefore not the Eucharistic Christ.
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Does all of Orthodoxy deny these kinds of Eucharistic miracles?

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Does all of Orthodoxy deny these kinds of Eucharistic miracles?

Jon
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The Eucharist is a miracle in itself.

As for the rest, the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.

There’s a story about a priest who went to his bishop with such a story, and the bishop said, “You’re suspended from celebrating Liturgy until you get over that delusion.”

And then there’s a story about something like this happening with Elder Cleopas of Romania. He whittled a hole in the altar and poured the contents of the Chalice into it, and reconsecrated more wine.

I repeat: If it looks like anything other than Bread and Wine, it’s simply not the Body and Blood of Christ.
 
=bpbasilphx;5477682]The Eucharist is a miracle in itself.
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Well said. 👍
As for the rest, the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.
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There’s a story about a priest who went to his bishop with such a story, and the bishop said, “You’re suspended from celebrating Liturgy until you get over that delusion.”
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And then there’s a story about something like this happening with Elder Cleopas of Romania. He whittled a hole in the altar and poured the contents of the Chalice into it, and reconsecrated more wine.
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I repeat: If it looks like anything other than Bread and Wine, it’s simply not the Body and Blood of Christ.
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Thanks,
Jon
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Eucharist is a miracle in itself.

As for the rest, the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.

There’s a story about a priest who went to his bishop with such a story, and the bishop said, “You’re suspended from celebrating Liturgy until you get over that delusion.”

And then there’s a story about something like this happening with Elder Cleopas of Romania. He whittled a hole in the altar and poured the contents of the Chalice into it, and reconsecrated more wine.

I repeat: If it looks like anything other than Bread and Wine, it’s simply not the Body and Blood of Christ.
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Is there any indication that these types of occurances may be some kind of demonic doings? Is there any official statement on the matter from the Church?
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Eucharist is a miracle in itself.

As for the rest, the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.

There’s a story about a priest who went to his bishop with such a story, and the bishop said, “You’re suspended from celebrating Liturgy until you get over that delusion.”

And then there’s a story about something like this happening with Elder Cleopas of Romania. He whittled a hole in the altar and poured the contents of the Chalice into it, and reconsecrated more wine.

I repeat: If it looks like anything other than Bread and Wine, it’s simply not the Body and Blood of Christ.
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Then what was the point of this, since demons have no power in the presence of the Lord? There are only so many explanations, and fraud is near the impossible.

Did you even watch the video?
 
Well, according to a Catholic Answers featured article by Ronald Rychlak the Church does accept Eucharistic Miracles. If this is accurate, then I don’t think that the previous position that Eucharistic Miracles are not recognized is accurate.
 
bpbasilphx said:
…the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.
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Hmm, doesn’t the fact that the Liturgikon contains specific instructions on what to do if such a thing occurs make you wonder whether such miraculous transformations occurred with some frequency?
 
bpbasilphx said:
The Eucharist is a miracle in itself.

As for the rest, the Russian Liturgikon directs that if the Bread or Wine take on the appearance of anything else after the Consecration (be it blood, flesh, or a child), the Priest is to put them aside, procure fresh matter, and say the parts of the Anaphora that relate to the bread and/or wine.

There’s a story about a priest who went to his bishop with such a story, and the bishop said, “You’re suspended from celebrating Liturgy until you get over that delusion.”

And then there’s a story about something like this happening with Elder Cleopas of Romania. He whittled a hole in the altar and poured the contents of the Chalice into it, and reconsecrated more wine.

I repeat: If it looks like anything other than Bread and Wine, it’s simply not the Body and Blood of Christ.
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O wow… for those who believe these kind of miracles only reaffirms their belief… for those who don’t no proof can satisfy them
 
sancte_joseph said:
O wow… for those who believe these kind of miracles only reaffirms their belief… for those who don’t no proof can satisfy them
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There’s never been any doubt in any of the Eastern Churches that the Bread and Wine become the Body and Blood of Christ.

This was only in the West, starting with Berengarius, and continued by the Reformers.

But some further reflections:

Why did this host not dissolve in the ablutions cup? If it were valid matter, it would have done so.

Why did the accidents of this host change to those of cardiac tissue?

How can science determine whose it is? There is, so far as I can tell, no laboratory test for the presence of Jesus Christ. (This is one of the limitations of STURP 31 years ago.)

Are we to believe that scattered throughout the earth even now are bits of Christ’s physical body? How does this affect His Resurrected, glorified Body in Heaven? Are there suddenly holes in it?

Since Our Lord has human and divine natures united in one Person never to be mingled or separated, does this mean that a fragment of His physical body has some localized portion of the divine nature? If so, how can God be divided into portions?

Ultimately, it boils down to this. Which is the greater miracle: that somehow there are pieces of Christ’s physical body (from whatever source) on earth, or that the ENTIRE Christ (as the Latin formula puts it, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity) can be received under the appearances of bread and wine?
 
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