Video screens being used during the Mass?!

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Delphinus85, you’re kidding about the poor soul that has to bear the cross of going to four different masses to announce issues regarding the applicable committee or function they represent? I see no relation between that and the mega-screens.

Simple solution…put the announcement in the bulletin and don’t hold the audience hostage.
 
Delphinus85, you’re kidding about the poor soul that has to bear the cross of going to four different masses to announce issues regarding the applicable committee or function they represent? I see no relation between that and the mega-screens.

Simple solution…put the announcement in the bulletin and don’t hold the audience hostage.
audience? I don’t think there is such thing as an audience in the church. Besides, if a screen can get the message across better (some people don’t even READ the buletins) and it gets more people involved, they will take a new passion in the church, and involvement. I’m not saying a screen will fix everything, but it’s a tool, and when used properly in the right context, it may HELP. Technology is NOT evil.
 
audience? I don’t think there is such thing as an audience in the church. Besides, if a screen can get the message across better (some people don’t even READ the buletins) and it gets more people involved, they will take a new passion in the church, and involvement. I’m not saying a screen will fix everything, but it’s a tool, and when used properly in the right context, it may HELP. Technology is NOT evil.
Yes audience. Though pride will not extol the truth, the band leader looks at the parishioners as the audience for his/her entertainment and to showcase his/her talents. The multi-media director of arts & sound engineer look to the parishioners as their audience for entertainment. Otherwise, the screen and bongos would not exist.

If parishioners desire not to look through the music hymnal during a song, that is their choice. If the parishioners decide not to read the bulletin, that is their choice.

What gives Director of Entertainment, and their committee, the authority to determine the methods communication. How about trusting the parishioners to consume the information in the traditional way as done for thousands of years.

This way the Director of Entertainment will not hold their audience captive nor like hostages.
 
Yes audience. Though pride will not extol the truth, the band leader looks at the parishioners as the audience for his/her entertainment and to showcase his/her talents. The multi-media director of arts & sound engineer look to the parishioners as their audience for entertainment. Otherwise, the screen and bongos would not exist.

If parishioners desire not to look through the music hymnal during a song, that is their choice. If the parishioners decide not to read the bulletin, that is their choice.

What gives Director of Entertainment, and their committee, the authority to determine the methods communication. How about trusting the parishioners to consume the information in the traditional way as done for thousands of years.

This way the Director of Entertainment will not hold their audience captive nor like hostages.
Just because it’s how it’s been done for “thousands of years” because that’s all that was availiable doesn’t mean it ALWAYS has to be done that way. If the new technology is truly a distraction to EVERYONE then yes, that’s a problem, but using it in a responsible way is not a problem. Imagine how they felt when the printing press came out and suddenly everyone could have a piece of paper to look at. I’m sure some people saw that as a “distraction” too.

And no, I don’t think anyone doing music sees the church of God as an “audience” And you can’t tell me that no one is seeking entertainment. Is it any coincidence the music in mass is all geared towards older generation people…and that’s the biggest demographic? If we wanted to focus purely on the mass, I say do away with all music, all decor…you can’t say that our personal preferences aren’t played out in the music and decor. It is. ANd you know what? that’s a good thing, but why should only ONE group of people be the ones catered to? Why let everyone else feel confused and frustrated? God gave us our preferences, and our senses for a reason. So we can focus on him. Personally i feel distracted that ALL our music sounds like it came right from the 70’s.
 
I bet you would heve started a thread like this when microphones were brought into churches. I think that projectors are great. Think about the benefits of it if it is used properly. Everyone can join in - no excuses for not knowing the Confitior (spelling?). No excuses for not singing. No rustling paper throughout Mass. It would be great. Even better in a parish like mine since our Church doubles as a hall with partitions to close off the altar area. (That’s how the local building planning dept wanted it) Think how a projector could be used for presentations form the priests, RCIA, etc, etc…

Instead of looking at the faults, embrace the benefits. Especially those that can be had outside Mass.
 
BTW, what is the e-mail address for the online confessions? I’d like to do that.😛
 
…If we wanted to focus purely on the mass, I say do away with all music, all decor… …
(Ding - good answer)!!!

You just exclaimed the very point of this thread. Church is not for entertainment! So what you advise is beneficial. Do away with the big bands and bring on the organ in the back or side of church. Let the parishioners (notice how I didn’t state audience) use the hymnal.

If there are any important messages place them in the bulletin and not a PowerPoint™ presentation.

Mass is a focal point of the sacrificial lamb, the new Adam, the new Eve, and the new covenant…Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. Not a 10-minute rework of the Gloria.

So yes, I agree with you 100%. Kick the entertainment screens out and leave tradition.
 
…Candles in church and the catacombs don’t qualify nor classify in the same group as the audacious mega-screens for amphitheaters…
If we classify these items according to function and purpose, they do belong in the same group.
…Screens are purely another way to allow the parishioners participate in a warm-fuzzy-feeling environment…
I suppose this is possible, but then again this is also possible for candles. A cozy candle-light dinner with my wife evokes more of a warm-fuzzy-feeling for me than dinner in front of an audacious mega-screen.
 
It looks like you went to a Protestant service…
I think hymnals and Mass booklets are great for church use, while screen projectors are good for class rooms and auditoriums.

Pax
Instaurare omnia in Christo
 
(Ding - good answer)!!!

You just exclaimed the very point of this thread. Church is not for entertainment! So what you advise is beneficial. Do away with the big bands and bring on the organ in the back or side of church. Let the parishioners (notice how I didn’t state audience) use the hymnal.

If there are any important messages place them in the bulletin and not a PowerPoint™ presentation.

Mass is a focal point of the sacrificial lamb, the new Adam, the new Eve, and the new covenant…Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. Not a 10-minute rework of the Gloria.

So yes, I agree with you 100%. Kick the entertainment screens out and leave tradition.
Even a hymnal is a kind of entertainment. Most of the music in there was “new and bold” at some point in time. Designed to give the people something they recognized and related to. That’s the whole point of the stained glass, the candles, insense and whatnot. It’s there to give you something tangable to relate to God to. Show me where in the chatecism is says “thou shalt not use a big screen” as long as it isn’t disrupting mass. Make USE of technology. Like microphones so people can HEAR, or new music so people can RELATE, or the use of ENGLISH in the US so people can UNDERSTAND. It’s about relating to God, not entertainment. Some people find it hard to relate to God in a high church setting. What do you do about them? leave them in the dust, or worse yet, let them be chased off to, and starve to death in a protestant church. The truth is the GOSPEL and FAITH of the catholic church. So what if the mass includes electric guitars, and video additions for bulletins. What if microphones are there, and what ever should we do if people start being able to worship because they are comfortable in this setting and they find God easy in this setting, more than they would with candles. I think bringing people closer to God is more important than whether or not mass is done by an organ or a guitar. I personally find God in BOTH. Because style is irrelevant, finding the beauty of God in each is a skill I think everyone should have. Find God in every situation. The use of technology, music, scents, decor is a gift to us by God himself for us to find him, make use of ALL of it, not just the stuff that was new 1000 years ago. EVERYTHING was new and bold and seen as “irreverent” at one point in time.
 
I was out of town this weekend and attended mass in the city I was visiting. It was a lovely parish to visit. They used hymnals, and I found that, coming from a parish which puts the words on a screen, I missed the first verse of every hymn as I searched through the hymnal for the correct page of the hymn we were singing. I then had to find where everyone else was in the singing so I coul get “caught up”.

No, it was not the end of the world (the rest of the congregation managed without my tone deaf singing voice chiming in 😉 ) but that never happens to me at my parish - the words are there, for all to see.

for what it’s worth, and my 2 cents worth…
 
Even a hymnal is a kind of entertainment. Most of the music in there was “new and bold” at some point in time. Designed to give the people something they recognized and related to. That’s the whole point of the stained glass, the candles, insense and whatnot. It’s there to give you something tangable to relate to God to. Show me where in the chatecism is says “thou shalt not use a big screen” as long as it isn’t disrupting mass. Make USE of technology. Like microphones so people can HEAR, or new music so people can RELATE, or the use of ENGLISH in the US so people can UNDERSTAND. It’s about relating to God, not entertainment. Some people find it hard to relate to God in a high church setting. What do you do about them? leave them in the dust, or worse yet, let them be chased off to, and starve to death in a protestant church. The truth is the GOSPEL and FAITH of the catholic church. So what if the mass includes electric guitars, and video additions for bulletins. What if microphones are there, and what ever should we do if people start being able to worship because they are comfortable in this setting and they find God easy in this setting, more than they would with candles. I think bringing people closer to God is more important than whether or not mass is done by an organ or a guitar. I personally find God in BOTH. Because style is irrelevant, finding the beauty of God in each is a skill I think everyone should have. Find God in every situation. The use of technology, music, scents, decor is a gift to us by God himself for us to find him, make use of ALL of it, not just the stuff that was new 1000 years ago. EVERYTHING was new and bold and seen as “irreverent” at one point in time.
For me, it is a problem…especially when you find yourself concentrating on the screen and forget to notice Jesus on the crucifix (or for that matter, can’t see him because it’s covering hiim up.) It’s also a problem when you fail to notice anything but the screen. By the way, not everything that glitters is gold. Just another $ 02.
 
Though pride will not extol the truth, the band leader looks at the parishioners as the audience for his/her entertainment and to showcase his/her talents. Otherwise, the screen and bongos would not exist.

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Absolutely incorrect. Drums does NOT equal performance. The instrument does not make it a concert, the musician does. You could have a pompous performance based organist that looks at the Mass as a means to perform too.

My drummer is there is to minister music, help people sing better. He is not there to perform, nor any other drummers I know that do music ministry. I’m sure they exist, but so does every other instruement as well.

Your gross generalizations do not help your cause.
 
For me, it is a problem…especially when you find yourself concentrating on the screen and forget to notice Jesus on the crucifix (or for that matter, can’t see him because it’s covering hiim up.) It’s also a problem when you fail to notice anything but the screen. By the way, not everything that glitters is gold. Just another $ 02.
The same arguement could be used for hymnals. You’re looking down focused on the words instead of up at the crucifix. And what if there was a background used on the words to convey a message. For visual people this could be quite effective to getting the point of the song. It’s no different than pages in a hymnal or art on the cover. It’s ust easier for the masses (masses of people) to use in that you don’t have to spend time finding the right page. Besides, as I said earlier if I parish found a screen to be in budget, and useful, it could be something off to the side, and retractable. I went to a church that had that, and it was in no way distracting from the message.
 
…Like microphones so people can HEAR…
Difference as follows:

Microphone is not a source of entertainment. It is a utility to hear. Now if microphones came in various colors, styles, and affects then we are talking about an entirely different thing.

The church bulletin and announcements, provided at the end of mass by the priest, are a media of need to apprise the parishioners of current and future events. Mega-screen multimedia PowerPoint™ displays are a media form of excess that fall in the category of pomp, glory, entertainment and fiscal irresponsibility at the cost of a captive audience.
 
I’m quite sure the screen isn’t there as entertaionment but as a tool to see word when needed. Is that entertainment?
 
I would say not.
Yeah, I’m gunna make this my last post on this topic, because it obvious it’s going no where.

Just because a few people find such a thing “meaningless” doesn’t mean it is. The benefits far outweigh the cost. Imagine putting the gospel reading up there in large print so people can follow along. Imagine how useful that would be to new people who are visiting who don’t know the missal at all (like me once a upon a time) and how easily people could find music and lyrics, or the nicene creed words so you aren’t standing there like an idiot if you don’t know it by heart. Imagine a project for the aspiring techincal people/youth in the church to make a video bulletin for the end of mass. Imagine prayers projected on the screen before mass for people to pray, or prayer needs of people in the church. Imagine all of that on a small screen off to the side away from the altar in a church that likes that kind of thing. Imagine how much money it could save for a church that wouldn’t have to print out new bulletins every week that may or may not get read. Imagine the money saved (not to mention trees not cut down) by less paper consumed by printing every single hymn in a book for every single person. Imagine something outside the box. Something new, something to help. Personally, I think the church could stand a little of that. When protestants broke off from the church, they changed everything so they wouldn’t look like catholics. Things that didn’t need to be changed. We are guilty of doing the opposite. We refuse to do new and great things for fear of looking too much like a protestant, even if that is a good thing. We don’t need to be so obsessed with “that’s the way we’ve ALWAYS done it” when it comes to unimportant developments. I could see it if we were talking about making video homilies, but for crying out loud, we are talking about something to make people’s lives easier.

Delphinus, over and out.
 
I agree totally Delph 👍
Yeah, I’m gunna make this my last post on this topic, because it obvious it’s going no where.

Just because a few people find such a thing “meaningless” doesn’t mean it is. The benefits far outweigh the cost. Imagine putting the gospel reading up there in large print so people can follow along. Imagine how useful that would be to new people who are visiting who don’t know the missal at all (like me once a upon a time) and how easily people could find music and lyrics, or the nicene creed words so you aren’t standing there like an idiot if you don’t know it by heart. Imagine a project for the aspiring techincal people/youth in the church to make a video bulletin for the end of mass. Imagine prayers projected on the screen before mass for people to pray, or prayer needs of people in the church. Imagine all of that on a small screen off to the side away from the altar in a church that likes that kind of thing. Imagine how much money it could save for a church that wouldn’t have to print out new bulletins every week that may or may not get read. Imagine the money saved (not to mention trees not cut down) by less paper consumed by printing every single hymn in a book for every single person. Imagine something outside the box. Something new, something to help. Personally, I think the church could stand a little of that. When protestants broke off from the church, they changed everything so they wouldn’t look like catholics. Things that didn’t need to be changed. We are guilty of doing the opposite. We refuse to do new and great things for fear of looking too much like a protestant, even if that is a good thing. We don’t need to be so obsessed with “that’s the way we’ve ALWAYS done it” when it comes to unimportant developments. I could see it if we were talking about making video homilies, but for crying out loud, we are talking about something to make people’s lives easier.

Delphinus, over and out.
 
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