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Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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What do envision needing to “handle”? We’re in the “good ole U.S. of A,” and the first amendment would indicate this is just fine.
 
Would the person funding this project being aligned with the people convicted of bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 give you a little more pause?

What if the person funding this believed that Sharia Law should be the law of the land of the US and preached this from the mosques?

I am fully aware of the 1st Amendment however, local governments are not Congress and the 1st Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
 
cesmit2 said:
Would the person funding this project being aligned with the people convicted of bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 give you a little more pause?

What if the person funding this believed that Sharia Law should be the law of the land of the US and preached this from the mosques?

I am fully aware of the 1st Amendment however, local governments are not Congress and the 1st Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
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So, it is a known fact that this person was part of the bombing of the World Trade Center, and yet they are freely setting up a development? How is this fact known?

People believe all kinds of things about what should be the law of the land–unless they are inciting violence or violating civil law, there’s not much you can do about it.

All groups, including Christians, have fringe elements who behave in ways inconsistent with their religion and in violation of civil law. That does not been the entire religion should be painted as being evil.

Additionally, the first amendment freedom of religion clause has been incorporated to apply to states and local government since the S.C. case of Cantwell v. Connecticut in 1940.
 
I would respect their right to believe what they want. They might turn out to be good neighbors. There is a big mosque in Bowling Green Ohio visible from the highway, standing next to a cornfield, which I passed by once, and it looked nice.

I would, however, advocate for my own rights to peaceful existence. Many communities have noise ordinances which require the sounds of automobiles, church bells, etc to be moderate in noise level. I would approach the city/county council and demand a noise ordinance be written or enforced if the mosque’s call to prayer was really loud and bothersome. I would demand that the police not refuse to patrol this part of the city or county as they would any other part, and thus avoid the development of a “no-entry zone” in the community. If a business was set up there and I entered it but was treated in a discriminatory manner, I would file a civil rights complaint or suit. If the school board begins to accommodate Muslim holidays on the calendar, I would insist that they accommodate Christian and Jewish holidays as well.

There is nothing wrong with welcoming new neighbors, and there is nothing wrong with insisting the old ones’ rights and interests be respected as equally important.
 
A couple miles from my house, there’s a reformed jewish temple, a hindu temple, and a mosque…

From what I know (not much), I don’t see what you can do to prevent this. Do you think that something will happen if you try? If so, give it a try it, if not pray about it.
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Some abandoned Roman Catholic Churches are being converted to mosques.
 
The Op has been imbibing too much media of a certain bent that seeks to characterize Americans, ruralites, and Catholics, without actually talking to any.
 
Over 20 years ago I worked down the street from a mosque. When they opened in 1981, most of the people in the nearby blocks were non-Muslims. 35 years later, very few non-Muslims live on those streets and numerous Islamic owned businesses are now in the area. Is that a bad thing ? Well here’s the mosque in question’s history from wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosque_Foundation
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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You go about your life and maybe even welcome the new folks to the neighborhood (if you consider 3 miles from your house the neighborhood?)

As long as no zoning laws were violated and all legal procedures for their development were followed there’s really nothing you’d be able to do anyway if you were so inclined to raise a stink. If you’re worried about any loud call to prayer, just make sure your city has noise ordinances in place that would reasonably restrict such a call. 🤷

Not much else you can do even if you’re inclined to do so. They have a right to build their mosque if they have met their legal obligations in establishing it. As for the insinuation that the founder has ties to the WTC bombers from '93, that would still need to be definitely proven which it clearly hasn’t if the guy is not in prison yet.
 
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How would you vet incitement, however?
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From the U.S. Code:

As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts
 
We don’t have any mosques anywhere here where I live.

The nearest mosque is 60+ miles away.
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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(Not Catholic but answering just as a USA citizen, who literally did have a mosque spring up next door)

Cool, they’re exercising their freedom of religion. Wished them well in that regard, and introduced myself when people started coming. They were good neighbors, and the buildings were quite beautiful.
 
Holy Trinity (Syracuse) St John (Minneapolis) and Our Lady Help of Christians (Minneapolis) are three Roman Catholic churches in the US that are now mosques.
 
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