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AnnArbor said:
From the U.S. Code:

As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts
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Like killing (sorry!) unbelievers?
 
AnnArbor said:
In quite a few places in Europe and the U.S. I know of several in Germany, one in St. Paul, MN, …

Once a church is deconsecrated, it can become anything.
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So it’s not epidemic.
Like Muslims are just waiting for churches to close so they can turn it into a mosque. :rolleyes:
 
Son_of_Niall said:
So it’s not epidemic.
Like Muslims are just waiting for churches to close so they can turn it into a mosque. :rolleyes:
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Well it’s not surprising either that they’d take land designated or zoned for religious use and re-purpose it for other religious uses.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well it’s not surprising either that they’d take land designated or zoned for religious use and re-purpose it for other religious uses.
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And if they can keep part of the building and not have to re-invent the wheel that’s beneficial as well. Or are bare minimum they can keep the parking lot and lay out 🙂

(This applies for any church group buying a building from any other church group)
 
The practice of Catholic and other churches being converted to mosques is more common in Western Europe, where the numbers are expected to increase in the near future.
 
cesmit2 said:
Would the person funding this project being aligned with the people convicted of bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 give you a little more pause?

**What if the person funding this believed that Sharia Law should be the law of the land of the US and preached this from the mosques?
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I am fully aware of the 1st Amendment however, local governments are not Congress and the 1st Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
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We cannot stop the building of a Mosque (or any religious building) from being built just because we disagree with what they preach.

Also, I have been in churches that preach that Biblical Law should be the law of the land. I am not saying that’s all bad, but it goes against the first amendment, and there is plenty in the Bible that we do not want to be part of our laws.
 
Padres1969 said:
Well it’s not surprising either that they’d take land designated or zoned for religious use and re-purpose it for other religious uses.
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Kind of like what the Catholics did in Orange County?
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Kind of like what the Catholics did in Orange County?
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Bingo. Or what a Sedevacantist group did to my Grandmother’s lifetime Catholic Church when it closed. I remember reading about an Orthodox congregation that did the same to a close Episcopal church back east too.
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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Obviously the deception would be annoying, although really it’s irrelevant, since freedom of religion applies to everyone. And I would ask myself why my fellow Christians have created an atmosphere of intolerance that would make Muslims feel that they needed to engage in such deception.

I don’t know that any Muslims ever have done this–I’m just accepting your scenario as you offer it.

Beyond that, the Golden Rule dictates that I treat the Muslims wishing to build a mosque in the same way I would want Muslims to treat Christians building a church in a predominantly Muslim country. I am forbidden by Our Lord to treat Muslims the way I think Muslims would in fact treat Christians in a Muslim country. That is just not an option for someone who wants to follow Jesus faithfully.

Edwin
 
Padres1969 said:
Bingo. Or what a Sedevacantist group did to my Grandmother’s lifetime Catholic Church when it closed. I remember reading about an Orthodox congregation that did the same to a close Episcopal church back east too.
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I’m a lover of old buildings, especially churches no matter the denomination. I would rather see an old building used instead of demolished.
 
cesmit2 said:
Would the person funding this project being aligned with the people convicted of bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 give you a little more pause?
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If the people had actually committed a crime and somehow escaped the authorities, I would notify the authorities. If the claim of “alignment” was something looser, then I would take it to be a typical “guilt by association” slur that is often used to discredit ideological opponents.
What if the person funding this believed that Sharia Law should be the law of the land of the US and preached this from the mosques?
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“Sharia Law” can cover a lot of things and there are different interpretations of it. But as someone else pointed out, there are “theonomist” Christians who think that Biblical law should be the law of the land. Catholics used to say that the law of the land should uphold and enforce Catholic teaching and discourage other religious positions, and some traditionalists still think this. And from a secularist point of view, opposing abortion and gay marriage is equivalent to “imposing sharia law.”
I am fully aware of the 1st Amendment however, local governments are not Congress and the 1st Amendment reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”
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The 14th Amendment closes that loophole.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
“Sharia Law” can cover a lot of things and there are different interpretations of it. But as someone else pointed out, there are “theonomist” Christians who think that Biblical law should be the law of the land. Catholics used to say that the law of the land should uphold and enforce Catholic teaching and discourage other religious positions, and some traditionalists still think this. And from a secularist point of view, opposing abortion and gay marriage is equivalent to “imposing sharia law.”

Edwin
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I wonder why people are not up in arms about Halacha and Halachic law in the same way we are up in arms about Sharia Law. They are very similar in intent and perhaps in scope, and we certainly have enough examples of it being used in Jewish communities in the US. I have yet to hear of anyone terrified of it taking over US law.
 
The North American Islamic Trust, a group with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, owns around 300 mosques and Islamic schools in the United States. So, no, a mosque opening in your town is quite a bit different than a Mormon or Jehovah’s Witness congregation moving in.
 
cesmit2 said:
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.
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I would be extremely upset and would have difficulty coming to trust the owners, administrators, and any imams working there. I have been to a number of Mosques/Masjids, talked with even more Muslims of various sects. None of them have hidden their Islam, and none have pretended to be a “church” before or after. Many times, they have bought a church, converted it into a mosque, later sold it to another [Christian] Church. Mosques open and close, like many Christian congregations’ churches - moving into a building, then moving out again. In one case, the place was a called an “Islamic Foundation”, which did not seem wrong to me. “Islamic” made it clear it was not a “church” or “synagogue” or “temple.” It was also a mosque, obviously, but they chose to give it this name. They had all kinds of activities there. Likewise a Mormon Stake Center is called a Stake Center, not a “church” even though it obviously is a sort of church, and a “cathedral,” too, is called a “cathedral” although it obviously is a sort of church. To say you are building a “church” and then build a mosque, is like announcing you are building a new mosque in Mecca and then build a Roman Catholic Cathedral. People who would do that are less trustworthy than those who are up-front about who they are and what they are doing.
 
I would view a mosque the same way I would view a chapel for the Society of Saint Pius X. Both places tend to espouse far-right views that run counter to Western values. I would feel uncomfortable about a mosque because people with far-right ideas may congregate there. Ideas espoused by far-right Muslims include sexism, anti-Semitism, and support for terrorist groups like ISIS.
 
anon67074017 said:
I would view a mosque the same way I would view a chapel for the Society of Saint Pius X. Both places tend to espouse far-right views that run counter to Western values. I would feel uncomfortable about a mosque because people with far-right ideas may congregate there. Ideas espoused by far-right Muslims include sexism, anti-Semitism, and support for terrorist groups like ISIS.
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So Muslim = terrorist to you?
 
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