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Son_of_Niall said:
Please elaborate.
How is the presence of a mosque guarantee killing unbelievers?
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thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

*Does the Quran really contain over a hundred verses promoting violence?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God. Most contemporary Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Their apologists cater to these preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny.
 
Tarquin said:
I would be extremely upset and would have difficulty coming to trust the owners, administrators, and any imams working there. I have been to a number of Mosques/Masjids, talked with even more Muslims of various sects. None of them have hidden their Islam, and none have pretended to be a “church” before or after. Many times, they have bought a church, converted it into a mosque, later sold it to another [Christian] Church. Mosques open and close, like many Christian congregations’ churches - moving into a building, then moving out again. In one case, the place was a called an “Islamic Foundation”, which did not seem wrong to me. “Islamic” made it clear it was not a “church” or “synagogue” or “temple.” It was also a mosque, obviously, but they chose to give it this name. They had all kinds of activities there. Likewise a Mormon Stake Center is called a Stake Center, not a “church” even though it obviously is a sort of church, and a “cathedral,” too, is called a “cathedral” although it obviously is a sort of church. To say you are building a “church” and then build a mosque, is like announcing you are building a new mosque in Mecca and then build a Roman Catholic Cathedral. People who would do that are less trustworthy than those who are up-front about who they are and what they are doing.
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Just try building a church in Saudi Arabia or even bringing in a Bible. In fact, there are severe restrictions in Egypt.
 
Son_of_Niall said:
That’s all you got?
Hardly the ‘sky is falling’.
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Who said or implied the “sky is falling”? You asked for examples of where this is happening (since you seemed to not be aware that it does happen), and people gave examples of what they have seen in their own experience. 🤷
 
We have a mosque in our county. It’s a little one. A converted house, actually. It’s a on a main road across from the local college.

Someone spray painted a swastika on their sign after the shooting in San Bernadino. They cleaned it up the next day and I felt so bad for them that I dropped off a note of sympathy.

During Christmas season last year, I dropped off a potted lily (white peace lily) and a nice neutral sort of card. I just signed from ‘a local Catholic family’.

How they are being treated is not unlike how my Catholic ancestors were treated when they first came to the US. I’m sure it would be like if my Irish ancestors were all treated like they were IRA members (which I don’t think they were…).
 
The mosque nearest to me has received funding from Saudi Arabia, something that is becoming increasingly common in Western countries. If they announced that they were selling their property and leaving, I would celebrate.
 
Seamus_L said:
The mosque nearest to me has received funding from Saudi Arabia, something that is becoming increasingly common in Western countries. If they announced that they were selling their property and leaving, I would celebrate.
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Maybe Conservative Jewish synagogues should receive funding from Israel, and all churches should receive funding from the greater community of Christians?
 
This really has little to do with the actual topic of the thread, but the mosque is actually in Perrysburg, visible from interstate 75. Personally, I have no more issues with a mosque than I do with any other place of worship, as long as the faithful do not push their beliefs on others, so to speak. If it wasn’t for two individuals who attend services at the mosque in Perrysburg, I’d have been dead many years ago.
 
Catholic_farmer said:
We have a mosque in our county. It’s a little one. A converted house, actually. It’s a on a main road across from the local college.

Someone spray painted a swastika on their sign after the shooting in San Bernadino. They cleaned it up the next day and I felt so bad for them that I dropped off a note of sympathy.

During Christmas season last year, I dropped off a potted lily (white peace lily) and a nice neutral sort of card. I just signed from ‘a local Catholic family’.

How they are being treated is not unlike how my Catholic ancestors were treated when they first came to the US. I’m sure it would be like if my Irish ancestors were all treated like they were IRA members (which I don’t think they were…).
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Yeah most of the Mosques in my area are not unlike your house mosque. Only they’re even more invisible being housed in office parks and other converted buildings. I’ve only ever seen one mosque that seems purpose built in my area. But to my knowledge they don’t even hold the call to prayer (at least not that the neighbors can hear).
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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As long as they have enough parking for those coming in for their Friday prayers, you shouldn’t have much of a problem.

The muslims also have members selling incense, as well as their newspaper, the “Final Call”, I’ve never had any problems with them here in Pittsburgh. It might be a bit unusual for you all out in the country, but I don’t think its a terribly big deal
 
I recall in my childhood that there was a religious group coming into the community, wanting to build a house of worship, a school, a community center, and even a cemetery. It caused an uproar in the small Protestant town. People got petitions going, talked to the government officials, and basically created a situation where it was all about ‘them’ and ‘those people.’

They would try to change an existing way of life, try to convert people, and lower the social standing of the community. ‘They’ should stick to themselves and not try to expand past their own little pockets of neighborhoods. Why would they want to come here anyway? Some of them didn’t speak the language, some of them drank, they were dirty, and practiced strange religions.

And then they moved in. It took awhile, but everything calmed down and no one got hurt. It was still ‘us’ and ‘them’ but that got better as time went by.

The ‘them’ were the Catholics. For the most part, middle America has been very WASP-centric. Catholics and Jews were the outsiders for a very, very long time.

It might help to remember that as we welcome our new neighbors.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
I recall in my childhood that there was a religious group coming into the community, wanting to build a house of worship, a school, a community center, and even a cemetery. It caused an uproar in the small Protestant town. People got petitions going, talked to the government officials, and basically created a situation where it was all about ‘them’ and ‘those people.’

They would try to change an existing way of life, try to convert people, and lower the social standing of the community. ‘They’ should stick to themselves and not try to expand past their own little pockets of neighborhoods. Why would they want to come here anyway? Some of them didn’t speak the language, some of them drank, they were dirty, and practiced strange religions.

And then they moved in. It took awhile, but everything calmed down and no one got hurt. It was still ‘us’ and ‘them’ but that got better as time went by.

The ‘them’ were the Catholics. For the most part, middle America has been very WASP-centric. Catholics and Jews were the outsiders for a very, very long time.

It might help to remember that as we welcome our new neighbors.
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Makes me feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone when I hear people who profess to be Catholics compare their own religion to that of those who in many cases are financed by Saudi Arabia.
 
cesmit2 said:
Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”. A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.
As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!
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I’ve lived most of my seventy some years in the same community… I recall when years ago as a child when some referred to “another religion” they meant Catholic. Today within a forty minute drive there are Buddhist temples, a Hindu temple, a Sikh temple two or three Mosques, two Synagogues and a Scientologist community…former golf course … and yes a Baha’i Center.

We also have a thriving Inter-faith community!

I would also have to say the choice in cuisine as improved over the years and I have no complaints whatsoever!

😉
 
arthra said:
I would also have to say the choice in cuisine as improved over the years and I have no complaints whatsoever!

😉
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Love your post. Thank you. And for those who are nervous about Muslims coming in from the Middle East, think Falafels!
 
arthra said:
I’ve lived most of my seventy some years in the same community… I recall when years ago as a child when some referred to “another religion” they meant Catholic. Today within a forty minute drive there are Buddhist temples, a Hindu temple, a Sikh temple two or three Mosques, two Synagogues and a Scientologist community…former golf course … and yes a Baha’i Center.

We also have a thriving Inter-faith community!

I would also have to say the choice in cuisine as improved over the years and I have no complaints whatsoever!

😉
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I’m certainly glad for you and for your community, that’s great. 🙂
 
The building of Mosques have increased tremendously under this presidential administration. In my travels, I have never seen so many new Mosques popping up or being built all over the U.S. Could this be the influx of refugees into the U.S?

In my neighborhood (s), when ever a shopping mall or development of property of any kind takes place, there must be a public notice posted and or public hearings that is put to a vote by the locals and or their political councils, who are being impacted by the development.

The local Mosques that were built (not rented or bought) that have suddenly appeared in my area, went without public notice in the normal business way.

This is speculation; It is rumored that the Federal government gave federal funding to the local governments, who would allow these Mosques to be built in their areas along with refugees.

When the Mosques just suddenly appeared in my neighborhood, I had no clue it was a Mosque and Muslim community housing being built. These projects again, speculation, go under the radar of public notification. In research, the public notices went out but in small print sometimes.

As far as this new Muslim community in MY area. I am impressed that some of them speak perfect English, while others keep to themselves and do not appear to be open to social greetings and small talk.

I would love to be able to share my Catholic faith with them, but at this juncture, it appears to be closed. Time will tell, if our freedom laws will protect Muslims from persecution when they read the bible or attend a Christian liturgy.

“Lord help us to remain faithful in these changing times”

Peace be with you
 
Tomdstone said:
It doesn’t seem that way now. Take a look at the American Supreme Court.
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Much has changed in my lifetime. There are still parts of the country, tho, where the population is mostly WASP-ish Christian and where Catholics, Jews, Muslims, et al are viewed with suspicion.
 
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