View on Mosques around your neighborhood

[Tomdstone]

Much has changed in my lifetime. There are still parts of the country, tho, where the population is mostly WASP-ish Christian and where Catholics, Jews, Muslims, et al are viewed with suspicion.

Probably not so much in San Francisco.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

Probably not so much in San Francisco.

No, not so much in San Francisco.

 

[StGerardMajella]

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

3 miles is a bit of a distance. There is a Sikh temple about 3 miles from my house, and I could care less.

I think where I would have to draw the line in the sand would be if the political character of the community moved in the direction of full implementation of religious law imposed upon non-members.

Unfortunately, the West is being permanently changed based on sheer demographics and birth rates. In due time, our decadent Western culture and norms will go by the wayside.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

3 miles is a bit of a distance. There is a Sikh temple about 3 miles from my house, and I could care less.
I think where I would have to draw the line in the sand would be if the political character of the community moved in the direction of full implementation of religious law imposed upon non-members.
Unfortunately, the West is being permanently changed based on sheer demographics and birth rates. In due time, our decadent Western culture and norms will go by the wayside.

So we should just put up the white flag now and give up?

I am PROUD of the Christian heritage that has defined Western Civ for 2000 years. Bringing in hordes of people who do not want to assimilate, as opposed to the “melting pot” of the past waves of immigrants in the US is a recipe for disaster. The reason democracy never caught on in the Middle East is there is no historical or philosophical basis for libertarian values. Rome wasn’t built in a day and neither was our system of checks and balances. The Magna Carta 7 centuries ago restricted the monarchy in England. There were no “rights” of individual men or women for that matter in any of their countries of origin.

We can throw away all of our hard bought freedoms but thank God I won’t be around to witness it.

 

[StGerardMajella]

So we should just put up the white flag now and give up?

It’s already over. Demographics, birth rates.

I am PROUD of the Christian heritage that has defined Western Civ for 2000 years.

Unfortunately, pride cannot overcome basic math.

Bringing in hordes of people who do not want to assimilate, as opposed to the “melting pot” of the past waves of immigrants in the US is a recipe for disaster.

No need to state the obvious.

We can throw away all of our hard bought freedoms but thank God I won’t be around to witness it.

Turn on the news. France is already under martial law.

 

[IdiNaPut]

I personally wouldn’t care too much…I used to live near to a mosque and aside from some traffic issues on Fridays (and people did try and be polite about this even), I didn’t really even notice it to any more extent than I cared about the myriad other places of worship I saw almost daily.

 

[HolyCrusader007]

I would view a mosque the same way I would view a chapel for the Society of Saint Pius X. Both places tend to espouse far-right views that run counter to Western values. I would feel uncomfortable about a mosque because people with far-right ideas may congregate there. Ideas espoused by far-right Muslims include sexism, anti-Semitism, and support for terrorist groups like ISIS.

If ISIL wanted to open a Mosque I would be against it. If the KKK wanted to open a Church I would be against it.

Wanting to prevent the opening though of any Mosque or any Church would invite folks to provide their opinion that Jewish Synagogues or Hindu Temples should not be allowed to be built.

Religious buildings are not a problem. People can be a problem though. No matter what arguments anti Islamic folks bring to the table, there are Muslims today who are teaming with Christians to defeat ISIL…saying Jihad means to resist ISIL and that Islam teaches Christians are equal to Muslims.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. Some Muslims reject the violence. I am referring to extremist Islam.

I dont think that a part of my religion, Christianity, or what some view as “radical Christianity”… has a part of it that allows for discrimination against Jews. Through history though some Christians have said that Jesus would allow for discrimination against Jews, Pagans, other so called Heretics. This occurred even during the 20th century. Today folks are trying to say that a part of Islam, or radical Islam allows for what ISIL does…I dont see it this way.

Through history some Muslims have discriminated against Jews, Christians, Pagans, or infidels. And today we are seeing Muslims in ISIL say that Muhammad would be ok with discriminating against Christians, Jews, Atheists.

Yet some of the great Christian scholars of the middle ages like Jean Bodin argued that Jews, Muslims, Christians can live together in peace. :hug3: Bodin visited the Ottoman Empire and wrote positively of the societal values of the Ottomans. Due to the fact that peaceful people from all walks of life exist, including peaceful Muslims…I’m ok with a Mosque being a built.

 

[jimkhong]

Love your post. Thank you. And for those who are nervous about Muslims coming in from the Middle East, think Falafels!

Interesting you mentioned falafel as a sign of Muslims coming. Do you know that falafel is Lent food invented by Copts in Egypt?

 

[Tomdstone]

The question that might be asked is why are mosques being built while Roman Catholic Churches are being shut down?

 

[famdigy]

Would the person funding this project being aligned with the people convicted of bombing the World Trade Center in 1993 give you a little more pause?

What if the person funding this believed that Sharia Law should be the law of the land of the US and preached this from the mosques?

There are many different ideologies within Islam and only one ideology that is the salafists or Wahhabis who are rrsponsible for fueling terrorism all over the world.

The good thing is that Salafists / Wahhabis are not community oriented. They typically only build mosques and that’s about it. They usually also have low socio economic status and wouldn’t be able to afford or organize a planned community like you described.

I would ask you go there and introduce yourself, get to know the imam of the mosque and raise your concerns with him directly and ask him which branch of Islam he belongs to. You would be surprised to learn they are more aligned with peaceful coexistence.

 

[Bill_Martin]

Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!

I could not care less.

If it’s a very rural area, I’d invite them over for dinner, since 3 miles away is practically next door.

 

[Son_of_Niall]

Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!

I run around in a panic attack. Then I hole up in my fort (with a wall around it), with guard towers, ever vigilant

 

[adf417]

The question that might be asked is why are mosques being built while Roman Catholic Churches are being shut down?

Tom Ive read all 5 of your posts on this thread and I don’t see where you address the OP once. I realize the OP addresses Catholics but you are welcome to answer it as a christian, human, american…whatever you identify as. I would love to hear your opinion.

As a side note I would love to hear your opinion as to why you feel the OP should be asking a different question and more spacifically the question you ask. I dont see how your question above correlates with the OP. Based on all 5 of your posts you seem to have a hidden agenda in your posts. I could be wrong but it does seem that way.

Peace!!!

 

[adf417]

We are currently experiencing a new mosque being build right next to our Catholic church and I personally welcome it with open arms. Im not sure how deep this sentiment is felt within our church but I can say that the community in general is not as open to it.

This is a new mosque but the circumstances surrounding the new construction is not normal. The Muslems had an old building/mosque that was prime location for the local university expansion and the university negotiated with the Muslem community for a trade in property. Not sure this new construction would have ever been a discussion within our community had it not been for the universities’ needs but it is very interesting that the university negotiated the property that was right next to “those Catholics”.

Peace!!!

 

[57Bill]

In compete honesty I’d have to say your zoning laws are much too liberal

Scenario and question:

You live in a very rural community.
A 200 acre tract of land is for sale.
The land sells to a group and the plan from the group is to build “Name-Withheld Community Church”.
A year later, the rural area community discovers that the sale of the property actually was sold to a Muslim investor and the plan is to build a mosque, school, cemetery, body preparation facility, and a 21 acre Muslim neighborhood.

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!

 

[Tomdstone]

Tom Ive read all 5 of your posts on this thread and I don’t see where you address the OP once. I realize the OP addresses Catholics but you are welcome to answer it as a christian, human, american…whatever you identify as. I would love to hear your opinion.

As a side note I would love to hear your opinion as to why you feel the OP should be asking a different question and more spacifically the question you ask. I dont see how your question above correlates with the OP.

the question asked was:

As a Catholic in the good ole U.S. of A, how would you handle this knowing that this is being erected about 3 miles from your home?

Thanks!

I think it shows that Islam is growing faster than many other religions. If the question is how would a person handle this, I would handle this by asking why this is so, and researching this issue. Why is Islam building churches while Catholics are tearing down their church buildings, and in some cases turning them over to Muslims. I would try to live in peace and harmony with everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs.

 

[adf417]

the question asked was:
I think it shows that Islam is growing faster than many other religions. If the question is how would a person handle this, I would handle this by asking why this is so, and researching this issue. Why is Islam building churches while Catholics are tearing down their church buildings, and in some cases turning them over to Muslims. I would try to live in peace and harmony with everyone, regardless of their religious beliefs.

I think you read way too much into the OP. While it may be fact that Islam is growing faster, I don’t know, there was no hint of this in the OP. It sounded like the OP simply asked an opinion to the “what-if” not “why”. Am i missing something? Is there a reason why you are adding this dimension to the thread?

Peace!!!

 

[pnewton]

I am thinking maybe bake a cake and welcome the new neighbors? Better a mosque than an abortion clinic or adult bookstore.

 

[Lea101]

A lot of muslims are kind people. I would not be bothered. It might be different in the US, but we are so used to people of different religions here that it’s not a problem at all, that a question like this is quite…shocking.

Invite some muslims over to your house, have a real relationship with them (don’t talk to them only for the sake of converting them). You would find that a lot of them are actually decent people.

 

[Tomdstone]

I think you read way too much into the OP. While it may be fact that Islam is growing faster, I don’t know, there was no hint of this in the OP. It sounded like the OP simply asked an opinion to the “what-if” not “why”. Am i missing something? Is there a reason why you are adding this dimension to the thread?

Peace!!!

The question asked was how would you handle it. I tried to give my perspective on how I would handle this but apparently you disagree with the way I would handle this question.