Views on Mormonism?

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ParkerD said:
Denise,

I certainly agree that Latter-day Saints are not “Catholic Christians” nor Protestant Christians. But they are Biblical Christians, as was Paul, as were Peter and John and all the apostles, and as were the majority of the “saints” to whom Paul addressed his letters.
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I understand your view here. May people feel they can call themselves Christians. My father-in-law is a Theosophist, and he feels that he is also a Christian, because he believes in Jesus. However, he also believes in Buddha, and attends Buddhist talks. Not to mention that he also believes that he is an adept of one of the ascended masters. He truly believes that his take on Christianity is true. He believes, as the Mormons do, that the Catholic Church has not kept the true teachings of Jesus. That’s usually the belief of all man made religions, and most Protestant denominations. But then at least Protestants are Christians.
 
blueadept said:
Then why do you consistently engage Mormons then? Both churches believe they have the proper priesthood authority while the other one does not in regards to who belongs to the ‘true church’ of Christ. Beating each other up on the issue of who is a Christian is rather pointless.

Half my relatives are Mormons on my father’s side so it’s rather pointless to portray myself in your version of Catholicism IMO and there is better way to be Christ-like and stand up for the RCC.
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I engage Mormons for a very personal reason which I have stated several times on various threads and will not repeat it again. You seem to believe that there is some equivalence between the claims of Mormonism and the claims of the Catholic Church. History and reason alone are enough to refute that idea. Mormonism is based upon the claims of a man, Joseph Smith. That is its origin. Catholicism has the truth of history and an unbroken line of succession proving its origin in Jesus Christ, its founder. Their Church is founded on the premise of the purported failure of another. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, himself. There is no equivalence whatsoever.
 
The believe a 14 year old read another testament of Jesus out of a hat. And that Jesus turned white people Black because they sin.

Yep I think there’s a South Park episode about it.
 
SteveVH said:
You seem to believe that there is some equivalence between the claims of Mormonism and the claims of the Catholic Church.
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To clarify, I FIRMLY believe in the Apostolic Succession of the Catholic Church. I just prefer to practice a different form of apologetics than you do in regards to Mormons and not tell them where they’ve gone astray. A pointless exchange in regards to who is a Christian and who isn’t because of a difference in understanding the nature of God. They humanize God where we do not. I prefer the Catholic version in not defending that we can some day be a god. This is obviously a different interpretation of what scripture means by “we are created in the ‘image of God.’”
History and reason alone are enough to refute that idea.
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I do prefer defending the 2000 years of Catholic history. than the 180+ years of LDS history. I’ve determined the more I study Catholic or LDS history, the more I embrace my Catholic faith. 😃
 
Blueadept, and you also have to remember why Mormonism was formed and why it is different than Christianity, as well as its beginning adversarial position against our Church.

The Church did not begin in an adversarial position, its construct based on condemning beliefs of other peoples. Christianity began on Christ, and the Holy Spirit gave the apostles strength and courage to begin their mission of preaching the Good News.

I see the Mormon church propaganda that is still anti-Catholic without naming the our church, the latest being this past week’s “King James Bible”.
 
ParkerD said:
Denise,

I certainly agree that Latter-day Saints are not “Catholic Christians” nor Protestant Christians. But they are Biblical Christians, as was Paul, as were Peter and John and all the apostles, and as were the majority of the “saints” to whom Paul addressed his letters.
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Then how is it that this Bible came to us? When did Biblical Christianity commence? Who were the founders and what is their history?
 
KathleenGee said:
Blueadept, and you also have to remember why Mormonism was formed and why it is different than Christianity, as well as its beginning adversarial position against our Church.

The Church did not begin in an adversarial position, its construct based on condemning beliefs of other peoples. Christianity began on Christ, and the Holy Spirit gave the apostles strength and courage to begin their mission of preaching the Good News.

I see the Mormon church propaganda that is still anti-Catholic without naming the our church, the latest being this past week’s “King James Bible”.
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Yes, I find the new run of LDS commercials in trying to portray themselves as ‘normal’ neighbors totally amusing.

They still haven’t convinced me that their early leaders have always considered the RCC as ‘the abominable church’ and I’m amused that they go out of the way to show they are not anti-Catholic.

This doesn’t give the right for Catholics to be anti-Mormon though. Apologetics is defending one’s faith. It’s not about explaining what another faith believes since we would tend to skew their proper belief.

My two cents
 
KathleenGee said:
Blueadept, and you also have to remember why Mormonism was formed and why it is different than Christianity, as well as its beginning adversarial position against our Church.

The Church did not begin in an adversarial position, its construct based on condemning beliefs of other peoples. Christianity began on Christ, and the Holy Spirit gave the apostles strength and courage to begin their mission of preaching the Good News…
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This is very important and not held in consideration today where is desired a much more diplomatic approach.
I guess it is for two reason:
The first one is that people like to be “well” considered and desire social aprobation, the second one so tht they don’t need to forgive anybody.
If you tollerate you don’t have to forgive. Forgiving is an essential part of Christianity.
If you don’t condemn you cannot forgive.
So I think we should condemn and then forgive. Tollerance just miss the forgive part.
This is **my very own personal opinion **, and of course I could be wrong about it.
 
blueadept said:
Yes, I find the new run of LDS commercials in trying to portray themselves as ‘normal’ neighbors totally amusing.

They still haven’t convinced me that their early leaders have always considered the RCC as ‘the abominable church’ and I’m amused that they go out of the way to show they are not anti-Catholic.

This doesn’t give the right for Catholics to be anti-Mormon though. Apologetics is defending one’s faith. It’s not about explaining what another faith believes since we would tend to skew their proper belief.

My two cents
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Well Pilgrim let me ask you this…

Are you anti-mormon?

Are you pro-truth?

Do not apologize for being apologetic in your defense of truth. The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth, as a member you are part of that pillar…are we not proud of what we know? We should be like the statue of Moroni on Mormon buildings with a megaphone broadcasting the truth…the truth is not offensive.👍

If we respond to those that object to the truth then it is their issue and not yours.
 
CopticChristian said:
Well Pilgrim let me ask you this…

Are you anti-mormon?

Are you pro-truth?
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As a Legion of Mary Praesidium President, CCD/RCIA teacher, Eucharist Minister, Adoration participant, and sorted other duties, I live and defend my Catholic faith daily. I just also do it around hardcore Mormons on a daily basis as well.

We all have our daily crosses to bear…:rolleyes:
 
blueadept said:
As a Legion of Mary Praesidium President, CCD/RCIA teacher, Eucharist Minister, Adoration participant, and sorted other duties, I live and defend my Catholic faith daily. I just also do it around hardcore Mormons on a daily basis as well.

We all have our daily crosses to bear…:rolleyes:
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Well then Pilgrim it sounds like your pro-truth…👍
 
My story is that I grew up hearing about some strange ideas of Joseph Smith.

I met and worked with some wonderful Mormon people.

They moved away. I visited a Deseret store by the Mormon temple to see more of their teachings. That is when I opened up texts and saw the condemnation of Christianity as corrupt. I saw another referencing the ‘Roman’ Church is typical restorationist thinking. This past week the “KJV” film on BYUTV definitely was teaching the power and authority of the Church was keeping Sacred Scriptures away from Christianity’s calling to read the Word of God, showing Catholic clerics in garb and the side of a Catholic Church…without saying names.

It is continuing.

That is also very wrong.

Such a stand needs addressing. If there is anything I would like to see in Mormonism is removing themselves from such condemnation of Christianity. It is harmful to hold such beliefs.
 
CopticChristian said:
There is something missing…“My LDS wife FELT…” past tense. Is she still LDS?
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The ‘something missing’ is the part that we are civilly divorced and she used the difference in religion card to justify the divorce.

Obviously we have a difference of opinion in regards to our marital status. Obviously the LDS church feels she is free to remarry while the RCC still recognizes our marital vows.

Does that help?
 
A Mormon apostle wrote that the Catholic Church was the “Great and abominable Church”. The temple ceremonies used to show what appeared to be a Catholic priest as an agent of Satan. When I was a missionary, I taught that Catholic Church was evil (as I was instructed to teach).

I believe that stance has softened. When Pope Benedict came to the USA, two LDS Apostles travelled to a special meeting the Pope called to hear him speak.
 
Well, BYU TV is showing a program called, ‘King James Bible’, and it begins showing Catholic clerics witnessing their execution of a martyr for the bible…and later shows a cariacature of parishioners turning their back on a priest giving a homily…with his clerical hat on at Mass, which priests are not supposed to do on the altar, and wearing this big cross hanging down at the waist line…appearing as a bore, acting as if he is ‘pontificating’…oblivious to people leaving and going back to the room to listen to a peasant reading the Bible.

It implies how the Church…without naming the Catholic Church…but showing a side of one of our churches was deliberately keeping the bible away from people and preventing Christianity from the Word of God because the priests simply wanted power and authority.

This has been showing several times this past week…pretty disturbing.

You don’t see Christianity formed, then 1800 years later, some self-proclaimed prophet in early America, with no witnesses, coming out saying outlandish things and referencing an angel that the Bible does not even speak of… making claims to stake his version of Christianity as right.

This is not how God has come to reveal His will.
 
blueadept said:
The ‘something missing’ is the part that we are civilly divorced and she used the difference in religion card to justify the divorce.

Obviously we have a difference of opinion in regards to our marital status. Obviously the LDS church feels she is free to remarry while the RCC still recognizes our marital vows.

Does that help?
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I am so sorry about this. Is is possible for you to receive an annulment?

Or have you already tried and been turned down? I ask because you say the CC still recognizes your marital vows.
 
My grandfather is a bishop in the LDS “church”. Special protective underwear, secret handshakes, baptism for the dead and all that.

I love my grandfather and step-grandmother, but they are not saved. No one who accepts the doctrine of the LDS is. Jesus’ death sets the stage, or creates the possibility of, salvation, but it is not enough. One must adhere to a long list of rules and is never sure that one is in proper relationship to God. That is heartbreaking.

Historic Christianity has seen the cannon of Scripture as being closed for nearly 2,000 years. LDS hold to progressive and continuing revelation. The two ideas about how God reveals truth could not possibly be farther apart.

The LDS church is especially horrific for women. Their husbands - not Christ - call them forth on Resurrection Day. Women are made to go through their husbands for any kind of contact with God. I love and respect my husband, but how terrible would it be to believe that God didn’t really want to have anything to do with me? That he’d only listen to my prayers if they were repeated by my husband’s lips?

And, yes, Mormons are polytheistic in the classic sense. There are hymns written to “Heavenly Mother,” the Goddess.

Somebody is going to tell me that I’m wrong; that I’m misinformed. I know that. But I also know what I know. If you are a member of the LDS, know that Jesus Christ, God Incarnate, part of the Trinity with no beginning and no end, created by no man, loves you and went to the Cross for your sins. He rose again three days later to eternal glory - not to rule other planets, not to have sex with his many spirit wives, not to hang out with his brother Lucifer. Joseph Smith was a liar, a huckster, a con-man and a practitioner of sorcery. Please, please, search out the Truth.
 
CopticChristian said:
Christians do not take translations and put forth thoughts like this…the wod that is TRANSLATED as saint is this…Always check the Greek before you decide to teach something that may look like your foot is in your mouth…Perhaps you may want to adjust the undergarments.

concordances.org/greek/40.htm

hagios: sacred, holyOriginal Word: ἅγιος, ία, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: hagios
Phonetic Spelling: (hag’-ee-os)
Short Definition: set apart, holy, sacred
Definition: set apart by (or for) God, holy, sacred.

40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other (“otherness”), holy; for the believer, 40 (hágios) means “likeness of nature with the Lord” because “different from the world.”

The fundamental (core) meaning of 40 (hágios) is “different” – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios (“holy”) because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios (“holy”) has the “technical” meaning “different from the world” because “like the Lord.”

[40 (hágios) implies something “set apart” and therefore “different (distinguished/distinct)” – i.e. “other,” because special to the Lord.]

So rewrite your thoughts with the word “hagios”…and if you truly believe that the word Saints is what is meant then let me know…the possibility is not definite…so sad, trying to teach what you do not know…🤷
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The plain and simple truth is that those who were baptised into Christ’s church were called saints. The reason for this name is given in post #195.
 
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