Views on the Israel/Palestine conflict

[Abba]

1. We learn that he lives in the Galilee in Israel despite the lie of “ethnic cleansing”

There has been ethnic cleansing going on in the Middle East by the millions to make way for Eretz Israel

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZTa5VUp1...Y1IJIIIrxFQ/s400/eretzgreater-israel-map4.jpg

… and this cleansing and dismantling of Arabian power continues to this day. Years ago I participated in a political discussion on Catholicforum.com I stated that the way will be cleared to declare war against Syria and Iran to make way for Eretz Israel. A dedicated poster argued that the United States did not have a problem with Syria and Iran and that we would not be declaring war against those country and certainly not against Syria. Yet, here we are, aren’t we? It’s an old military tactic, infiltrate - place them against each other - and use the violence as an excuse to attack and bring down the regime and take over. And conveniently drop some bombs on Egypt and Lybia. The idea is to send them all to the stone age and then they will not be able to fight Israel with stick and stones and Israel can take their land and have them serve Israel. The hope of the world now is Russia and China and Kissinger’s priority is trying to solve that problem for Israel before he dies.

A poster here that will go unmentioned accused me once of reading some forum of a person I had never heard of before and getting my ideas from that famous man whose name I forget at the moment. I do not take people’s ideas and regurgitate them, I use the brain my Father in heaven gave me and evaluate information and draw my on conclusions. It is for this reason that I found it so pleasant when not too long ago, I read that when PLO chairman Yasser Arafat gave a speech in Geneva he gave away some coins of Israel with the map of Eretz Israel and told the members of UN that Eretz Israel is the objective. I had just posted a week or so before right here on CAF that I wanted to post a map of Eretz Israel when I participate in a discussion of the Middle East so that what is on the table is clear to all. Then I read soon after that Yasser Arafat would carry 10-agorot coins to demonstrate to people the ultimate goal of the state of Israel. How much cleansing and how many millions of people will have to die to make this possible? How much land will be contaminated with depleted uranium for 4.6 billion years which harms human genes to make Eretz Israel possible?

I read someplace not to long ago quote from the Jerusalem Post regarding a top religious leader’s comment about how gentiles are on earth to serve the Israelis. Every so often, a leader of Israel speaks out in this fashion and after some publicity is criticized and everything is suppose to go back to normal and all forgotten. Just like the university professor who not to long ago said that what is needed “is a cleansing of the Bedoin.” They are hushed as the time is not yet. When gentiles point these problems out they are accused of being anti-Semitics but, why do you expect people to accept such atrocities committed against what they consider to be rightful human beings? It is not at all that people are being ‘anti-Semitic’ instead they are being pro-humanity. But that label is used to hush people and intimidate them from speaking.

Furthermore, I was reading that the crematorium of Israel will be reopened in a secret place. I remember it was in the news at one point that young Palestinians were being cremated there after having some of their organs removed. Will this happen again? Why will a crematorium be opened again? Israelis do not believe in cremation. Will the organs of young Palestinians and political prisoners be removed without permission of their families? Don’t they have rights?

Israel harvested organs without permission, officials say

srael harvested organs from bodies in the 1990s without permission of family members, the former head of a state-run forensic laboratory said in a newly released interview.

Government officials acknowledge that the practice happened, but emphasize that it ended years ago.

In an interview in 2000, which was released to an Israeli TV channel and broadcast over the weekend, Dr. Yehuda Hiss – who was once head of the Abu Kabir forensic institute – discussed the practice.

“We started to harvest corneas for various hospitals in Israel,” Hiss said in the interview on Israel’s Channel 2 network."
articles.cnn.com/2009-12-21/world/israel.organs_1_organs-harvested-israel-defense-forces?_s=PM:WORLD

1. We learn that Israel is a free and democratic country that protects free speech, religion and the rights of all it’s citizens.

That is why so many Arabians, Muslims and Palestinians are participating on these thread regarding them.

Nobel Laureate Gunther Grass has the right to express his concern about the unchecked increase of atomic power of Israel without being accused of being anti-Semitic. What happened to his freedom of speech? Instead, he was declared persona non grata of Israel. But the problems are not the individual violations nor the atrocities and inhumane conditions many are and have suffered under Israel, this can been seen as the sores and an infectious deadly disease. What needs to be confront by the world is the ideology of Eretz Israel. Can this brutal aim continue at the cost of so many lives and such crime to humanity?

What must be said

Why did I remain silent, silent so long,
about something so clear we used
in war games, where, as survivors,
we are just the footnotes?

That is the claimed right to the formal preventive aggression
which could erase the Iranian people
dominated by a bouncer and moved to an organized jubilation,
because in the area of his competence there is
the construction of the atomic bomb.

And then why do I avoid myself
to call the other country with its name,
where since years – even if secretly covered -
there is an increasing nuclear power,
without control, because unreachable
by every inspection?

I feel the everybody silence on this state of affairs,
which my silence is slave to,
as an oppressive lie and an inhibition that presents punishment
we don’t pay attention to;
the verdict “anti-Semitism” is common.

Now, since my country,
from time to time touched by unique and exclusive crimes,
obliged to justify itself,
again for pure business aims - even if
with fast tongue we call it “reparation” -
should deliver another submarine to Israel,
with the specialty of addressing
annihilating warheads where the
existence of one atomic bomb is not proved
but it wants evidence as a scarecrow,
I say what must be said.

Why did I stay silent until now?
Because the thought about my origin,
burdened by an unclearing stain,
had avoiding to wait this fact
like a truth declared by the State of Israel
that I want to be connected to.

Why did I say it only now,
old and with the last ink:
the nuclear power of Israel
threat the world peace?
Because it must be said
what tomorrow will be too late;
Because - as Germans and with
enough faults on the back -
we might also become deliverers of a predictable
crime, and no excuse would erase our complicity.

And I admit: I won’t be silent
because I had enough of the Western hypocrisy;
Because I wish that many will want
to get rid of the silence,
exhorting the cause of a recognizable
risk to the abdication, asking that a free and permanent control
of the Israel atomic power
and the Iran nuclear bases
will be made by both the governments
with an international supervision.

Only in this way, Israelis, Palestinians, and everybody,
all people living hostile face to face in that
country occupied by the craziness,
will have a way out,
so us too.

Translation by Alessandro Ghebreigziabiher

1. We learn that if one says the most illogical things about Jews and the Jewish State, someone will believe it.

This is an empty statement.

Peace and human rights for the people of the Middle East and may the concentration camp known as Gaza in where millions of Palestinians are held in captivity with half the population consisting of children and youngster under 21 be free.

Abba

 

[Abba]

Pardon me, I did not post the link to the translation of the poem of Gunter Grass: Here it is:
betweentwosouths.blogspot.com/2012/04/gunter-grass-poem-english-translation.html I must say it does not seem to be a good translation.

Here is one of the links available for the map of Eretz Israel with some quotes of Netanyahu regarding the expansion to this end and how he manages the American people. gordspoetryfactory.blogspot.com/2012/06/netanyahu-refuses-to-back-down-on.html

 

[chosen_people]

A Map of Israeli Land Concessions in the Pursuit of Peace:

 

[chosen_people]

Pardon me, I did not post the link to the translation of the poem of Gunter Grass: Here it is:
betweentwosouths.blogspot.com/2012/04/gunter-grass-poem-english-translation.html I must say it does not seem to be a good translation.

Here is one of the links available for the map of Eretz Israel with some quotes of Netanyahu regarding the expansion to this end and how he manages the American people. gordspoetryfactory.blogspot.com/2012/06/netanyahu-refuses-to-back-down-on.html

For Gunter Grass his diatribe against the Jewish State is but a lovely song of his idealistic youth when he was a member of the Waffen SS.

How can we not agree that the world would have been better off if Iraq had possessed the Atomic bomb under Saddam Hussein? How can we today not regret that Assad in Syria does not possess the Atomic bomb? We have only Israel to blame. Who does not remember the universal condemnation of Israel, including that of the United States (despite that country being controlled by “the Zionist Jews”). Who can not regret that those weapons of devastation would not be used to annihilate the Jewish state, to pit Sunni against Shia, against Christians, against Kurds. It is still not too late. Through inaction, useless sanctions, fear and by tying Israel’s hands, there is still the dream that these weapons of death will fall into the cool collected hands of the Iranian leadership. It is still possible that not only will we be the second generation to witness the explosion of atomic weapons in war, we may yet live to see the fulfillment of the dream of the Caliphate, where all Jews and Christians may finally find true justice and peace under Sharia.

How can we not raise our voices against Germany, the country responsible for the systematic annihilation of one in every two Jews in Europe, of one third of the entire Jewish population, for supplying submarines to the Jewish state to prevent the annihilation of another six million Jews, of the Jewish state? Oh the hypocrisy!. Do they not realize that if the Jewish state is not eliminated there will remain this tiny country in the Middle East with it’s massive contributions to the world, in science and technology, in green energy, in feeding the world. A country with few Olympic medals but this remarkably disproportionate number of Nobel prizes. A country in the Middle East of economic prosperity, where you can freely vote, freely express an opinion, where equal opportunities are open to all, where all people of all religions are protected under law. How can we not want the destruction of such a country, how could we not want to boycott it and annihilate it and lie about it?

 

[Abba]

A Map of Israeli Land Concessions in the Pursuit of Peace:

In the pursuit of peace? Really? It is not very intelligent to under estimate the intelligence of gentiles.

In the game of chess, a player may back out of a section of the opponent’s because the timing is not ripe. The retreat is done only to make possible to come back and win the game and the whole board.

What gallantry is there in returning a portion of land illegally and inhumanly obtained? Land that belonged to a people for thousands of years? Israel has land now that is being illegally occupied according to the nations of the world. Underground excavation goes on under the Palestinian land illegally and the archaeologists say on national US television that it’s okay because we know it is all a matter of time before Israel has all the land and they do not want to lose excavation time while the politicians are doing their thing.

Chosenpeople, you have stated that the land of Eretz Israel (“Greater Israel”) belongs to the Israelis as does the great majority of Israelis, yet you want to also claim to the ‘gentiles’ in what appears to be an attempt to keep them from reacting; that you do not claim all the land of so-called Eretz Israel: how to you make harmony by making two such conflicting statements? Are people suppose to accept these two conflicting statements and be appeased until the time is ripe for Israel to make a big move for Eretz Israel and just witness as Israel plays the generation and time game? I have asked you this question before and you simply ignored it. In essence, you are claiming all the land of Eretz Israel belongs to the Israelis as it is God given yet, that supposedly you do not want it all. Really?

Just as the Israelis claim all the land from the Old Testament they also claim all the relics that are in the Vatican. Where does it stop?

Another question that I would like to ask you is that concerning the superiority of Israelis over the gentiles. This is a dominant view in Israel that often needs to be hushed by some silently applauding pretentious authority of Israel. I wonder if you can explain this view to me as you appear to also hold it and how are gentiles suppose to simply accept this position? You present the Jewish people as extraordinary achievers who have distinguished themselves from the rest of the human race and are the chosen people of God and this is why so much harvest is now possible in Israel now and allude to the Bible to back this up. I personally do not see the material success of Israel as being due to the superiority of the Israelis race nor because God is helping them take over the Middle East. The United States is not God and plenty of American dollars (billions) can make any people educated and provide each of them with a laptop. Things which you boasted about, but, where has the money come from? wrmea.org/special-topics/9748-us-aid-to-israel.html If my state was given all the money Israel is given people would be really happy and their educational level would increase too and the economy would improve.

I certainly do not see any moral superiority in a terrorist state.

 

[Abba]

For Gunter Grass his diatribe against the Jewish State is but a lovely song of his idealistic youth when he was a member of the Waffen SS.

Gunter Grass even admits in the poem that as a youth he was a member of the Waffen SS. But, what about the point that he is trying to make? Is Israel atomic armament going unchecked and does this pose a threat to world peace ( in the future when the time is ripe) ?

 

[garyconrad]

Islam is Satan’s biggest lie yet. The Islamic Arabs want to wipe Israel from the earth ,then us. Satan has readied his troops for his unholy war against YHWH and his Christ . We must not let the Jewish people to be wiped out by Islam. The end times are here ,let us make our stand. May YHWH Bless and protect his children in the times ahead. O

 

[Abba]

Islam is Satan’s biggest lie yet.

The Catholic Church recognizes Islam as a religion not a sect in the same way as it does Judaism and notes that they are not in the fullness of the faith.

The Islamic Arabs want to wipe Israel from the earth ,then us.

When the Jewish people were being persecuted in Spain the Muslim countries welcomed them and protected them. Muslims, Jews and Christians lived side by side in the Middle East for centuries. Now the Muslims and Christians are being removed or having to leave the area due to the establishment and expansion of the state of Israel.

That statement sounds pretty fanatical. The Muslims are human beings not demons of Satan. The Muslim people are human beings just like the Jewish people (rather some of them believe it or not) and the Christians. It is not good to demonize a people.

Satan has readied his troops for his unholy war against YHWH and his Christ .

This war has been going on for thousands of years now. Haven’t you noticed?

We must not let the Jewish people to be wiped out by Islam.

The only people that are being wiped out are the Arabians, Palestinians and Muslims. There a genocide going on in the Middle East, haven’t you noticed?

The end times are here ,let us make our stand. May YHWH Bless and protect his children in the times ahead. O

You do not think that the Muslim people are children of God just like you and me and the Jewish people? God loves each and every human being.

The Palestinians in Gaza are human beings and as such have the right to sovereignty. They can not be treated like captive animals and kept in a concentration camp. The Palestinians are children of the one and only living God.

 

[manualman]

Abba, are you serious or are you a writer for The Onion? You posts read like passages from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion! You really think there is a grand plan for Israel to seize portions of Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iraq? And do WHAT with them? Israel’s population growth is mostly in it ARAB population. If they have a grand plan to expand and dominate the region and eventually the world, they’re doing a pretty shabby job of it.

The only land Israel has ever seized by armed force has been in conflicts started by others. Gaza and the West Bank need not have been refugee camps. Had Israel’s borders been respected by her neighbors in 1947, those would be independent nations today. Instead Israel has experienced nothing but attack and hostility from her neighbors and has been forced to acquire defensive positions in RESPONSE to that agression. The problem for your arguments is that some of us can read and learn history.

There is no doubt that there are loonies and whack jobs in Israel. They’re as human as you and me. I find it repugnant when Zionist extremists build new settlements in the occupied territories today and I think the Israeli government simply must grow a pair and tell all new settlers that they will NOT be defended by the Israelie military. That hasn’t happened. You think its a sign of a sinister plan. Seems to me that Israeli politicians just know a PR disaster in the making and have always chickened out. At the very least, they should kick those people out routinely and bulldoze all they built. Do that a few times and people WILL give up. What say you to this legitimate complaint, chosen people?

But the presence of evil men does not prove a nation evil. Good thing, because we sure have more than our fair share in America! The crimes of Israelis against Palestinians are not greater than the crimes of Palestinians against Israelis. It’s a war and innocent people always get hurt in war. That’s why we need to work harder to avoid them.

 

[Abba]

Abba, are you serious or are you a writer for The Onion? You posts read like passages from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion! You really think there is a grand plan for Israel to seize portions of Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iraq? And do WHAT with them? Israel’s population growth is mostly in it ARAB population. If they have a grand plan to expand and dominate the region and eventually the world, they’re doing a pretty shabby job of it.

Don’t you know that Israelis claim all the land of Eretz Israel and consider it rightfully theirs and given to them by God?

I actually do not know about The Onion.

What I do know is about the suffering of the Muslims and Christians. I know about depleted uraniums and other stuff.

 

[manualman]

Depleted uranium is an American invention if I remember correctly. While there are many arguments about it’s side effects, the purpose behind it’s invention was to increase the penetrating power of an armor piercing round of a given caliber. Translated, they are for killing tanks and APCs, not a sinister scheme to poison the world. There may be harmful side effects that haven’t yet been fully understood, but the purpose has always been to penetrate armor.

As for ‘Eretz Israel’ I’m not familiar with the claim. But Israel’s fertility rates among the Jewish population suggest that it is just a matter of time before the Israeli Arab population is so large that the Israeli government will no longer be politically cowed by the militant Zionist minority in Israel. When that happens, Palestinians will have no one anymore to blame for their failure to produce leaders that prefer peace to vengeance and glory.

 

[Abba]

Depleted uranium is an American invention if I remember correctly. While there are many arguments about it’s side effects, the purpose behind it’s invention was to increase the penetrating power of an armor piercing round of a given caliber. Translated, they are for killing tanks and APCs, not a sinister scheme to poison the world. There may be harmful side effects that haven’t yet been fully understood, but the purpose has always been to penetrate armor.

Well, it is penetrating a lot more than that, it is penetrating and damaging human beings. Google depleted uranium and then press images and see how the children of exposed mothers are born. What way of fighting an already unjust war is that, attacking the unborn and leaving their land contaminated with DU which will hurt their genes for generations to come? I don’t think there is heroism in fighting infants. Do you?

International peace and security as an essential condition for the enjoyment of human rights, above all the right to life Sub-Commission resolution 1996/16
The Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities,

Guided by the principles of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenants on Human Rights and the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 and the Additional Protocols thereto,

Recalling General Assembly resolutions 42/99 of 7 December 1987 and 43/111 of 8 December 1988 reaffirming that all people have an inherent right to life,

Concerned at the alleged use of weapons of mass or indiscriminate destruction both against members of the armed forces and against civilian populations, resulting in death, misery and disability,

Concerned also at repeated reports on the long-term consequences of the use of such weapons upon human life and health and upon the environment,

Concerned further that the physical effects on the environment, the debris from the use of such weapons, either alone or in combination, and abandoned contaminated equipment constitute a serious danger to life,

Convinced that the production, sale and use of such weapons are incompatible with international human rights and humanitarian law,

Believing that continued efforts must be undertaken to sensitize public opinion to the inhuman and indiscriminate effects of such weapons and to the need for their complete elimination,

Convinced that the production, sale and use of such weapons are incompatible with the promotion and maintenance of international peace and security,

1. Urges all States to be guided in their national policies by the need to curb the production and the spread of weapons of mass destruction or with indiscriminate effect, in particular nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, fuel-air bombs, napalm, cluster bombs, biological weaponry and weaponry containing depleted uranium;prop1.org/2000/du/resource/000310un.htm

 

[Kaninchen]

Abba, are you serious or are you a writer for The Onion? You posts read like passages from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion!

His map is nogw.com, put nogw and any of the various words that usually go along with appreciating the terrible naughtiness of Jews/Judaism (talmud, StormFront, Vanguard Network, illuminati etc) into google and various facets of The Great Jewish World Conspiracy™ will be revealed.

“Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism in Russia,” in case you were wondering.

 

[scipio337]

…Gaza and the West Bank need not have been refugee camps. Had Israel’s borders been respected by her neighbors in 1947, those would be independent nations today. Instead Israel has experienced nothing but attack and hostility from her neighbors and has been forced to acquire defensive positions in RESPONSE to that agression. The problem for your arguments is that some of us can read and learn history…

I’m not so sure about that. Was there any call for an independent Palestinian Arab state from 1948-1967?

It seems to me they were pretty happy being Jordanians and Egyptians during that time, just as they were content being a backwater vilayet in the Ottoman Empire for 500+ years.

 

[Abba]

His map is nogw.com, put nogw and any of the various words that usually go along with appreciating the terrible naughtiness of Jews/Judaism (talmud, StormFront, Vanguard Network, illuminati etc) into google and various facets of The Great Jewish World Conspiracy™ will be revealed.

“Jewish Freemasonry, controlled by the Jesuits, implemented Communism in Russia,” in case you were wondering.

Please take you pick for your preferred link to the map of Eretz Israel aka Greater Israel which is a map made from the demarcations, as you are very well aware; of the land given to the Hebrews/Israelis in the Old Testament.
google.com/search?q=map+of+eretz+israel&hl=en&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS476US476&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=WnghUL25EMLr6wGk2YGQDg&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=853&bih=606

‘Naughty’ does not do justice nor serve to acknowledge nor describe - at all - the crimes committed against the Palestinians, Iraqis, Christian, Muslims, and the rest of those who have suffered in the Middle East to make way for Greater Israel.

 

[scipio337]

Please take you pick for your preferred link to the map of Eretz Israel aka Greater Israel which is a map made from the demarcations, as you are very well aware; of the land given to the Hebrews/Israelis in the Old Testament.
google.com/search?q=map+of+eretz+israel&hl=en&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS476US476&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=WnghUL25EMLr6wGk2YGQDg&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=853&bih=606

‘Naughty’ does not do justice nor serve to acknowledge nor describe - at all - the crimes committed against the Palestinians, Iraqis, Christian, Muslims, and the rest of those who have suffered in the Middle East to make way for Greater Israel.

You might want to check out your link. The very first is from globalsecurity.org:

In February 2003 an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden called President Bush “stupid” and claimed American war plans against Iraq were part of a plot to attack Muslim nations in the Middle East and North Africa. The United States’ goal in waging war against Iraq is to change the regional map to benefit Israel, according to the raspy voice said to be bin Laden. “It is clear that the preparations to attack Iraq are part of a series of attacks prepared for nations of the region including Syria, Iran, Egypt and Sudan,” the voice said. “The aim of the Crusaders’ campaign is to prepare the atmosphere for the establishment of the so-called greater Israel state, which includes great parts of Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Jordan and large portions of (Saudi Arabia),” it said.

This conception of a Greater Israel encompassing much of the Middle East is evidently a pervasive element of popular culture in the region, and it is easy to understand how this would be taken up by bin Laden and other propgandists. By asserting that Israel seeks to occupy the territories of many other countries in the region, it places the Palestinians on the front line of a struggle common to all people in the region.

globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel.htm

Even your source points it out as propoganda, used by such notables as USB. Please point out any reputable Israeli who calls for such.

It’s a fabrication, right up there with Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and the Blood Libel.

 

[Lost_and_Found_1]

Think about the hatred that’s been expressed towards the Jews throughout history. Even before there was an Israel, the world hated Jews. Didn’t Germany hate the Jews when they elected a Hitler who blamed them for the financial hardship imposed on them by the Treaty of Versailles? Didn’t Austria hate the Jews when they welcomed him into Vienna? How about the Cossacks when they murdered thousands of Jews in the 17th century? How many Jews were slaughtered by the Crusaders and the Romans who drove them from their homeland 2000 years ago. Remember Martin Luther and his call to burn the Jews in their synagogues. Even our own church is not without fault.

Now they’re hated for the way they repress Palestinians. They’re hated because they won’t give up the land they won in 1967, in a defensive war when Egypt closed the Strait of Tiran. Yet in the 1920’s, there were no territories of 1967 when repressed Palestinians slaughtered hundreds of Jews in Safed, Jaffa and Hebron. In 1929, in one day, the Palestinians massacred 67 Jews in Hebron alone. Were those Palestinians upset about Israeli aggression in 1967? How about the hundreds of Jews killed in the riots of the 1930’s. Were the Palestinians upset about Israeli aggression in 1967? And when the UN proposed a Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a Palestinian State alongside a tiny Israel, seven Arab armies immediately invaded Israel and killed 6000 Jews. We stood by as Hitler murdered 6 million Jews. We stood by in 1948 when the Arab League started a war they compared to the Mongol massacres. We stood by in 1967 as Nasser vowed to drive the Jews into the sea. And the world is standing by now as Iran threatens to annihilate Israel.

Pick out a wall in the room you’re sitting in and place your hand right in the middle of that wall. Your thumb is Israel, the rest of the wall is Arab. Why can’t the Jews have a tiny country they can call home?

“The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don’t give a damn whether the refugees live or die.”

— Sir Alexander Galloway
former head of UNRWA in Jordan (April 1952)

youtube.com/watch?v=T64JIgs5C6k

 

[Abba]

Propaganda is calling the truth propaganda to keep the wool over the eyes of the masses.

 

[Kaninchen]

Please take you pick for your preferred link to the map of Eretz Israel aka Greater Israel which is a map made from the demarcations, as you are very well aware; of the land given to the Hebrews/Israelis in the Old Testament.
google.com/search?q=map+of+eretz+israel&hl=en&rlz=1C1AFAB_enUS476US476&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=WnghUL25EMLr6wGk2YGQDg&ved=0CF0QsAQ&biw=853&bih=606

‘Naughty’ does not do justice nor serve to acknowledge nor describe - at all - the crimes committed against the Palestinians, Iraqis, Christian, Muslims, and the rest of those who have suffered in the Middle East to make way for Greater Israel.

The thing is that you really shouldn’t have given the game away so easily.

 

[Abba]

It seems to me they were pretty happy being Jordanians and Egyptians during that time, just as they were content being a backwater vilayet in the Ottoman Empire for 500+ years.

This is the step that is being taken now by the pro-Israel and Zionist in political propaganda against the Palestinians and overall for Eretz Israel. That being, to deny the national identity of the Palestinian people and in doing so deny their right to the land. Up to not too long ago, the approach was at cutting down the trees so the Palestinians would not feel attachment to the land as they would remember that perhaps their grandfather planted that old tree.



Now - the goal is to present the Palestinians are backwater vilayets without a national identity and that their problems are due to their inferiority or as Romney said in Israel not to long ago as he wore a lapel that had the American and Israel flag together that the reason the Palestinians (suffer and are in such a difficult situation) is because of cultural reasons. I understand he received thousands of letters requesting that he apologize for this racist comment.

I don’t know where you got 500+ from but fact do not seem to matter here do they? What matter is to dehumanize the Palestinians and portray them without a national identity and a group of backward vilayet or Bedouin. Nonetheless, this logic if applied to many countries of Europe and the Middle East would render them all worthy of being described as not having a national identity, backwater vilayets who have not right nor legitimate claim to the land. Yet, a people who have as a people been absent for nearly 2,000 years do have a legitimate right and so goes the argument.

The Greeks, for example, were ruled by the Ottoman Empire and also by the Romans and so according to the argument they are not worthy to be called Greeks nor claim any rights to their land.

Ottoman Greece
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Greece

I suppose the pro-Israel and Zionist can use the same argument when if they continue to succeed they take over Lebanon, Syria, etc… Because all these countries were under Ottoman rule for hundreds of years.

Modern-Day Countries of which some of their territory was controlled by the Ottoman Empire:
Italy
Austria
Slovakia
Ukraine
Georgia
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Iran
Oman
Yemen
Saudi Arabia
Sudan
Morocco

Modern Day Countries of which all of their territory (except sparsely populated regions) was controlled by the Ottoman Empire at some point:
Algeria
Libya
Tunisia
Malta
Egypt
Israel
Palestine
Jordan
Lebanon
Syria
Cyprus
Iraq
Kuwait
Qatar
Bahrain
United Arab Emirates
Turkey
Greece
Bulgaria
Romania
Moldova
FYRO Macedonia
Albania
Kosovo
Serbia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Croatia
Slovenia
Hungary

Read more: wiki.answers.com/Q/What_countries_were_part_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#ixzz22ud3lw2z

Bernard J. Shapiro proudly wrote about : The Battle for Eretz Yisrael and he knew very well why he chose that title for his book. Denying the reality will only deceive a few. I think it is best to be honest and advance discussion to possible peaceful solution with justice for all. scribd.com/doc/71541431/The-Battle-for-Eretz-Yisrael

---

"Forming the very basis of Israel’s raison-d’être, the Zionist intent to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians happened in two major waves, first in 1948 and then in 1967. With settlements expanding at a record pace, and one of the most right-wing governments in Israel’s history in power, is a third, more disastrous, more meticulous wave is being prepared? Is mass-transfer of Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza being quietly mapped out to counter the demographic imbalance? And if a two-state “solution” actually is implemented to finally “resolve” one of the most brutal conflicts in contemporary history, won’t the US-funded, Israeli-puppet-mastered, Palestinian leadership in Ramallah continue to submit to Zionist orders, more settlement expansions, more socio-economic policies than enslave the Palestinians, more injustices by proxy-rule? And if the People revolt, will this be the carte-blanche excuse the Apartheid State will be waiting for to justify its expansionist objectives of Eretz Israel? So many questions, with so many potential outcomes… "

“Meanwhile, demographics say a lot. Approximately 280,000 Jewish settlers, growing at a rate of 5% a year, live in the West Bank strategically located around and ruling over 2.5 million Palestinians. They are protected by Israeli Occupation Forces, deemed illegal for over 42 years following United Nations resolution 242, which – in point 1 – calls for the “withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict [of 1967]”. Yet by 2006 the number of roadblocks and checkpoints in the West Bank has risen by 40 per cent, with 528 permanent and temporary checkpoints and physical roadblocks disrupting all aspects of Palestinian life, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) in Jerusalem. That, by definition, is Apartheid.”

“A little lesson in revisionist history will help clarify this point. In his book “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine”, Israeli professor and historian Ilan Pappe demonstrates that the problem of the two-state solution dates back to when it was first introduced as a concept, with the United Nations Partition Plan of 1947 (UN Resolution 181). In November of that year, the UN proposed to divide Palestine into three parts: on 42% of the land, over 800,000 Palestinians were to have a state that included 10,000 Jews, whilst a new Jewish State was to be created on almost 55% of the land which would assimilate 500,000 and 438,000 Jews and Palestinians, respectively. The third part consisted of an enclave that contained Jerusalem, internationally administered by the UN itself.”
palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=15148

Peace,

Abba