Views on the Israel/Palestine conflict

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What country in recent history- say last 2 to 300 years has been hectored to give back the land won in a war that was thrust upon them by their enemies. Israel won therefore they get to keep the land. There were no “Palastinians” until the Egyptian Yasser Arafat realized that he could exploit that term- they are Arabs- and most are dedicated to the destruction of the one state in the “middle east” that allows Mohammadens and Arabs to serve in the government.
Let their fellow Arab/ Mohammadens take care of them -its in the Koran (Queran?)
 
I absolutely loved it when Mitt Romney (hopefully our next president) presented the reasons for the poor showing of the “Palastinian” -duh Arab- territorries. It is to their benefit to continue to grouse about their treatment in the UN and the International “community”- they have brought it on themselves by electing the idiots that don’t realize that fostering a vibrant entepreneur class would elevate all the people in their thrall.
But they don’t want success of their people- they just want to foment hate against the Jews who have turned the desolate waste of the Mid-east into a dynamic economy- and the Mohammadens and Arabs are so jealous that they want to kill Israel.
 
I would like to point out to anyone who may not note that the children in the video I linked to who were filmed two weeks before the invasion look the way they do because they are malnourished, hungry, and some are suffering from anemia.

youtube.com/watch?v=pDvJ1qVU894

Already over three quarter of a million children under the age of five had died due the sanctions.

Joy Gordon, professor of philosophy at Fairfield University and author of Invisible War: The United States and the Iraq Sanctions.

Invisible War: How Thirteen Years of US-Imposed Economic Sanctions Devastated Iraq Before the 2003 Invasion
democracynow.org/2010/9/1/invisible_war_how_thirteen_years_of

Father Benjamin
youtube.com/watch?v=VPTE4jRuqFM

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
fair.org/index.php?page=1084/

Richardson: 500,000 dead kids OK in pursuit of U.S. policy
youtube.com/watch?v=5S1YkQs5nXQ

Osama Bin Laden was against this slaughter.

The same genocide, slaughter awaits the terrified people of Iran. The destruction and slaughter that awaits the rest of the countries of the Middle East has nothing to do with the reason that the public is given in the news and by the ADMINISTRATION. Speaking of ADMINISTRATION, support for the establishment of Eretz Israel was not a democratic decision but an administrative one made by the administration in Washington. The American people never voted to destroy the Arabian, PALESTINIAN, and Muslim people and commit such crimes against humanity for the establishment of Eretz Israel. The decision was an administrative one and the public were fed information that would result in support of the objectives of the administration. To this day, many Americans do not have a clue of what is really going on and this is controlled by the controlled media. We get two puppets stamped okay by the administration to vote for every four years (and who have vowed to serve them youtube.com/watch?v=6wqiivwivBE - I mean really! He is campaigning in Israel!!!). America is no longer a democracy it is a totalitarian regime.

The error of the founding fathers was not to contemplate and analyze the power the permanent staff of Washington could exert, lobbies and the passing of important positions. The media is a serious problem in America now. Although Ron Paul was running he often went unmentioned by the media - he is not willing to sacrifice American interests for foreign interest - he was not stamped okay by the administration. May God help America and her people. A Washington person involved in assuring the interests of Israel said that its too late for America now. It can never go back to what it once was. The world is in shock and disappointed and wonder what ever happened to those ideals of the United States? Freedom, Liberty and Democracy? Advocating ‘human rights’?

The same fate of Iraq where millions were slaughtered in the genocide that is taking place - now awaits the people of Iran. It does not matter who is in power or not and supposed violations of human right. Iran has sanctions right now because of supposed violation of human rights. So, because a "student leader’ is in prison for 8 years millions will die to help the student. Really? Who needs help like that? To slaughter millions with the claim that it is to protect their human rights? Is anyone out there really buying this most morbid, hypocritical lie? youtube.com/watch?v=p1CkZQBZOcQ

Speaking in Iowa Thursday evening, Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul said that the Bush administration were “gleeful” after the September 11 attacks because it gave them an excuse to invade Iraq.

“Just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately before there was any assessment there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq,” the Texas congressman said. He also suggested that officials are currently setting the stage for an invasion of Iran.

It does not matter if it is Ossama Bin Laden, Assad, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hosni Mubarak, Saddam Husein and soon to come folks - the kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-bush-administration-was-gleeful-after-911-attacks/
Once Upon A Time In Iran - Full Movie
youtube.com/watch?v=mo8mNqIiJYg&feature=fvwrel

Is It For Freedom?
youtube.com/watch?v=bqXSl1AIimY

The Iranian people are human beings and are scared that one day soon thousands of bombs will be dropped on them.

Please pray for peace for the people of Iran.
 
Abba said:
This is the step that is being taken now by the pro-Israel and Zionist in political propaganda against the Palestinians and overall for Eretz Israel. That being, to deny the national identity of the Palestinian people and in doing so deny their right to the land. Up to not too long ago, the approach was at cutting down the trees so the Palestinians would not feel attachment to the land as they would remember that perhaps their grandfather planted that old tree.

Now - the goal is to present the Palestinians are backwater vilayets without a national identity and that their problems are due to their inferiority or as Romney said in Israel not to long ago as he wore a lapel that had the American and Israel flag together that the reason the Palestinians (suffer and are in such a difficult situation) is because of cultural reasons. I understand he received thousands of letters requesting that he apologize for this racist comment.

I don’t know where you got 500+ from but fact do not seem to matter here do they? What matter is to dehumanize the Palestinians and portray them without a national identity and a group of backward vilayet or Bedouin. Nonetheless, this logic if applied to many countries of Europe and the Middle East would render them all worthy of being described as not having a national identity, backwater vilayets who have not right nor legitimate claim to the land. Yet, a people who have as a people been absent for nearly 2,000 years do have a legitimate right and so goes the argument.

The Greeks, for example, were ruled by the Ottoman Empire and also by the Romans and so according to the argument they are not worthy to be called Greeks nor claim any rights to their land.
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Abba, are you going to provide some substantial link to any modern Israeli to further your “Eretz Israel” claims? Its been pointed out (by a link provided from you, no less) that the claim is specious and propoganda used by Islamic supremacist.

I can state that Isrealis use the blood of Christian children to make their Passover matzoh bread, but me claiming it doesn’t make it true.

Interesting you should mention Greece as an example of national identity. The problem being, Greece has a seperate language, capitol, govenment, and history than Ottoman Turkey. Greece also had CENTURIES (around 500 years or so?) of war seeking independence from Ottoman Turkey.

Furthermore, under the Treaty of Sèvres, Greece and Turkey exchanged around 2 million of their respective population (compared to 500,000 Palestinians who lost their land, and 500,000 Jews who were kicked out of Arab/Muslim nations. You seem to forget about that little point).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey

After the fall of the Ottoman Empire, about 1.5 million Greeks, Armenians, and Orthodox ethnic Turks were kicked out of Turkey, and 500,000 Muslims were ejected from Greece.

Luckily, Greece took in the Greek and Armenian refugees, and Turkey took in the Muslim refugees. Can you imagine how many Greek refugees there would be today, if 1.5 million Greeks (and their decendents) were stuck in UWRA camps from an event that happened 90 years ago??

Quite simply put, this is what happens during a post-colonial collapse. The difference being here is that the Arab League prevented any Paltesinian Arab refugees from resettling (and more Palestinian Arabs live in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon than they do in the West Bank).

I pray for peace in the region, that the Palestinian Arabs get their state, and live peacefully with their neighbors.

But to be devils’ advocate, let’s make you king of the world for a day. What’s your solution? Israel destroyed and yet another corrupt Islamic state takes its place?

Put up your solution.
 
Abba said:
I would like to point out to anyone who may not note that the children in the video I linked to who were filmed two weeks before the invasion look the way they do because they are malnourished, hungry, and some are suffering from anemia.

youtube.com/watch?v=pDvJ1qVU894

Already over three quarter of a million children under the age of five had died due the sanctions.

Joy Gordon, professor of philosophy at Fairfield University and author of Invisible War: The United States and the Iraq Sanctions.

Invisible War: How Thirteen Years of US-Imposed Economic Sanctions Devastated Iraq Before the 2003 Invasion
democracynow.org/2010/9/1/invisible_war_how_thirteen_years_of

Father Benjamin
youtube.com/watch?v=VPTE4jRuqFM

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price–we think the price is worth it.

–60 Minutes (5/12/96)
fair.org/index.php?page=1084/

Richardson: 500,000 dead kids OK in pursuit of U.S. policy
youtube.com/watch?v=5S1YkQs5nXQ

Osama Bin Laden was against this slaughter.

The same genocide, slaughter awaits the terrified people of Iran.
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What an absolutely shameful claim. I served in Iraq, and there was no ‘genocide’. Perhaps you should hold the man responsible for those sanctions, who continued to stifle nuclear inspections, who continued to build palaces while his people suffered, whose upper staff continued to take money provided by the UN through the “Oil for Food” program for their personal enrichment.

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
Zimm3r said:
Probably thee longest war/aggression in history, I was wondering what your opinion are?

When I usually discuss this with people I often see such a pro Israel side :mad:.** It is rather disheartening or do people just not care about Palestinians and Muslims** as they do Israelites and Jews?
Or the Palestinian christians.
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Exactly how I feel. I agree 100%! 👍

-Chris
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There were no “Palastinians” until the author of the Massacre in Munich - Yasser Arafat- Nobel Prize winner for peace- decided that as an Egyptian he could use Western Diplomatic means to punish the Jews for being so successful in a land that had been theirs and was basically desolate until 1948.
 
I am uninformed- what does Eratz Isreal mean- from the sea to the great river as in Genesis- or something else?
 
Read the history-Israel/“Palastine”- was an arid wasteland until the UN decided to give it to the Jews- it has become the most dynamic state economically , politically and thankfully militarily. It is the only country in the region where when you vote it actually matters.

When the UN gave the Jews their little sliver of land the Arab states told all those in Isreal who were Mohammadan to leave and they could come back and claim their property after the Arab(Mohammadan) armies killed all or most of the Jews.

Guess what- they lost.

When they lost again in numerous attacks on Israel and lost their land because their armies were inferior to the Isrealis- now the “International community wants them to cede the land”- I say horsefeathers or worse- if a sovreign state attacks another and loses- they lose- they lose their land , they should have lost their leadership because why would you go up against a country like Israel that only would ever lose to the USA.
 
Suraya said:
Since I’m Middle-Eastern, I’m on the Palestinian side. IMHO, Christians in the West should support their brothers in Christ in the East first. Israel is an apartheid regime against Arabs.
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What is Palastinian? That was invented by Yasser Arafat. There is NO PALASTINIAN- never has been never was.They are ARABS but the good Mohammaden countries will not take them back- why because they are a pawn in the talk about the middle east.

I say let lt Israeal do what it wants to do and let us give it our support.They are or were our closest ally inm the region that hates us the most.
 
Chalk me up to the side of “there’s no way this will ever get solved without Israel’s destruction which would be a bad thing”.
 
I support Israel

I think people should vote to OBAMA

Because I want to see how Israel handle in conflict with Iran without support of US.

I want to see miracle from God :clapping:

youtube.com/watch?v=vGu-x9GKLoE

God Bless 😊
 
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