Vigil mass - Palm Sunday

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Does a 4pm mass on Saturday count as going to mass on Palm Sunday?
 
A Mass on Saturday evening counts for the Sunday obligation, Palm Sunday or any other Sunday.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
The Mass “counts” whatever readings are used. The only thing canon law specifies is the time of day, evening.
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Yes, I know. I was just curious if the Sunday readings were used. I would imagine they would have been.
 
There is no vigil mass tonight.

However a Saturday evening mass fulfills you Sunday obligation anyway.
 
Neofight said:
There is no vigil mass tonight.

However a Saturday evening mass fulfills you Sunday obligation anyway.
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Every single parish in my town has a Palm Sunday vigil Mass tonight. Complete with palms, and readings.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
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Every single parish in my town has a Palm Sunday vigil Mass tonight. Complete with palms, and readings.
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No, they don’t.

There is no vigil mass for Palm Sunday. There may be a Saturday Evening Mass, but it is not a vigil mass, it’s just a celebration of the normal Sunday Mass held on a Saturday night…a Saturday night Vigil Mass is a rarity…The Easter Vigil comes to mind, others may occur, but they would be rare and none come immediately to mind.

Many erroneously refer to, or think of, a Saturday evening mass as a Vigil Mass.

A vigil mass has different readings and is called out as a vigil mass in the lectionary and missal.
 
Neofight said:
No, they don’t.

There is no vigil mass for Palm Sunday. There may be a Saturday Evening Mass, but it is not a vigil mass, it’s just a celebration of the normal Sunday Mass held on a Saturday night…a Saturday night Vigil Mass is a rarity…The Easter Vigil comes to mind, others may occur, but they would be rare and none come immediately to mind.

Many erroneously refer to, or think of, a Saturday evening mass as a Vigil Mass.

A vigil mass has different readings and is called out as a vigil mass in the lectionary and missal.
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hmmmm well then you might want to inform these people.

Fr Z. Who refers to the Saturday night Mass as a vigil here.
wdtprs.com/blog/2011/06/quaeritur-is-it-sinful-to-go-to-saturday-evening-mass-if-you-can-go-on-sunday/
in it he states…
It is not sinful to attend Saturday evening Mass, the vigil of a Sunday.
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not to mention the USCCB documents governing liturgical times,
USCCB Norms Governing Liturgical Calendars, 1984
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  1. Because the faithful are obliged to attend Mass unless there is a grave impediment, pastors have the corresponding duty to offer to everyone the real possibility of fulfilling the precept. The provisions of Church law move in this direction, as for example in the faculty granted to priests, with the prior authorization of the diocesan bishop, to celebrate more than one Mass on Sundays and holy days,(85) the institution of evening Masses(86) and the provision which allows the obligation to be fulfilled from Saturday evening onward, starting at the time of First Vespers of Sunday.(87) From a liturgical point of view, in fact, holy days begin with First Vespers.(88) Consequently, the liturgy of what is sometimes called the “Vigil Mass” is in effect the “festive” Mass of Sunday, at which the celebrant is required to preach the homily and recite the Prayer of the Faithful.
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And then of course my own parish’s website
4:30 PM
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**Saturday Vigil **
Sunday 7:30 AM

9:00 AM
(A Bagel, Coffee & Donuts follow Mass)

11:00 AM
5:30 PM
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Yes, there is some merit to the idea that these “vigils” are theologically not vigils in the strictest sense of the word, I think we are all of the understanding when we mention a Saturday “vigil” what we are meaning. No, need to get overly technical unless one is just looking to sharpen debating wits…
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
hmmmm well then you might want to inform these people.

Fr Z. Who refers to the Saturday night Mass as a vigil here.
wdtprs.com/blog/2011/06/quaeritur-is-it-sinful-to-go-to-saturday-evening-mass-if-you-can-go-on-sunday/
in it he states…

not to mention the USCCB documents governing liturgical times,

And then of course my own parish’s website

Yes, there is some merit to the idea that these “vigils” are theologically not vigils in the strictest sense of the word, I think we are all of the understanding when we mention a Saturday “vigil” what we are meaning. No, need to get overly technical unless one is just looking to sharpen debating wits…
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Yeah, I would agree on the last point…it is a matter of language. “Saturday Vigil” is a prime example. a “Saturday Vigil” would be held on Friday evening! A Saturday evening mass celebrating Sunday would be a “Sunday Vigil”, but not a Liturgical Vigil, unless Sunday was a major feast of solemnity.

Oh well, at least they are getting an education on the gospel, with or with education in the proper use of language!😃
 
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