Vigil or not?!

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I attend a church run by Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and as you may know Saturday 8th December is the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Mass on that day is scheduled for 6pm.

My question is regarding whether that Mass would be classed as a “Vigil”. I ask because I am unable to attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form the following day and wondered if attending the feast of the Immaculate Conception at 6pm would fulfill my Sunday obligation or would I still need to attend my Ordinary Form parish?

Thanks in advance.
 
In this instance you could attend the vigil mass to fulfil your obligation fo rthe Immaculate Conception, but you would still have the obligation to attend Sunday’s mass.
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EDKidd said:
I attend a church run by Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and as you may know Saturday 8th December is the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Mass on that day is scheduled for 6pm.

My question is regarding whether that Mass would be classed as a “Vigil”. I ask because I am unable to attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form the following day and wondered if attending the feast of the Immaculate Conception at 6pm would fulfill my Sunday obligation or would I still need to attend my Ordinary Form parish?

Thanks in advance.
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What an interesting question. I don’t know the answer, but am wondering if the key would be if the mass is a proper Vigil mass (with readings for the Sunday) or a mass for the feast of the Immaculate Conception. I don’t know whether it makes a difference that this is not a Holy Day of Obligation in England and Wales, or Scotland?
 
poche said:
In this instance you could attend the vigil mass to fulfil your obligation fo rthe Immaculate Conception, but you would still have the obligation to attend Sunday’s mass.
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It’s not a day of obligation in England and Wales, or Scotland.
 
a) It is not technically a Vigil. Vigils are particular (and quite rare) things which are distinct from an ordinary Saturday evening Mass for a Sunday.

b) It doesn’t matter whether the Mass celebrated is for the Sunday or for the Immaculate Conception, it fulfills your Sunday obligation by virtue of its timing. The readings are irrelevant, it counts as a Sunday Mass.

c) Although the Immaculate Conception is not a HDO over here, that has no bearing on what Mass will be celebrated since it is still a solemnity of the BVM with the same rank liturgically speaking as it has in the US and other countries where it there is an obligation.

d) In the EF, the following Sunday should have preference over the Immaculate Conception from first Vespers. So the Mass will probably be for the Sunday. I wouldn’t guarantee this because of particular ordos and variations but, like I said, IT DOESN’T MATTER! Saturday evening Mass ALWAYS meets your Sunday obligation.
 
Batfink said:
a) It is not technically a Vigil. Vigils are particular (and quite rare) things which are distinct from an ordinary Saturday evening Mass for a Sunday.

b) It doesn’t matter whether the Mass celebrated is for the Sunday or for the Immaculate Conception, it fulfills your Sunday obligation by virtue of its timing. The readings are irrelevant, it counts as a Sunday Mass.

c) Although the Immaculate Conception is not a HDO over here, that has no bearing on what Mass will be celebrated since it is still a solemnity of the BVM with the same rank liturgically speaking as it has in the US and other countries where it there is an obligation.

d) In the EF, the following Sunday should have preference over the Immaculate Conception from first Vespers. So the Mass will probably be for the Sunday. I wouldn’t guarantee this because of particular ordos and variations but, like I said, IT DOESN’T MATTER! Saturday evening Mass ALWAYS meets your Sunday obligation.
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Great to know, thanks for this informative post.
 
Thank you for your responses. My initial confusion centered on there being different readings etc for the different days (Immaculate Conception & 2nd Sunday of Advent) This being the case, whether the ‘actual’ time of Mass then becomes the determining factor.

Under normal circumstances I would attend Saturday evening and Sunday morning. However for the particular weekend in question l cannot.
 
I’d check with your church.
Ours does have morning mass every day and will on Friday the 7th. They printed in this week’s bulletin that a church up the way is having a mass on Friday evening. I’ll have to attend that since I need to work Saturday the 8th
 
CatherineOH said:
I’d check with your church.
Ours does have morning mass every day and will on Friday the 7th. They printed in this week’s bulletin that a church up the way is having a mass on Friday evening. I’ll have to attend that since I need to work Saturday the 8th
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Since the OP is in Great Britain where, like in Canada, the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception is not a Holy Day of Obligation, it is the timing that counts. A Mass at 6 p.m. on Saturday, regardless of the readings, fulfills his Sunday obligation.

Now, if it was a Holy Day of Obligation in Great Britain he wouldn’t get a two-for-one; he’d have to attend two Masses to fulfill both obligations.
 
Though his profile says GB, I do not know where that is he says he normally attends…

…but I still say he needs to check with the church to see what they and others are planning.
 
…Can I add to this question? If it requires starting a different thread, please let me know!

Mass times for Immaculate Conception at my parish are on Friday night at 7, and Saturday morning at 9. If I were to go to the Saturday Evening Mass, would that meet the requirement for both?
 
Probably not, since they have the earlier time specifically. …
but check with the parish.
 
Ophelia23 said:
…Can I add to this question? If it requires starting a different thread, please let me know!

Mass times for Immaculate Conception at my parish are on Friday night at 7, and Saturday morning at 9. If I were to go to the Saturday Evening Mass, would that meet the requirement for both?
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No.

There are 2 Holy Days of Obligation.

The first is Immaculate Conception. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

The second is the 2nd Sunday of Advent. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

Attending only one Mass in an attempt to fulfill two separate obligations doesn’t work.
 
Mass at 6:00 PM on Saturday the 8th would be a vigil Mass for Sunday. My understaning is that It would not count toward the holy day for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Woudn’t one have to go to the vigil Mass on the evening of Friday the 7th or the Saturday morning Mass to satisfy the obligation for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception?

Or am I misreading the question?

-Tim-
 
FrDavid96 said:
No.

There are 2 Holy Days of Obligation.

The first is Immaculate Conception. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

The second is the 2nd Sunday of Advent. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

Attending only one Mass in an attempt to fulfill two separate obligations doesn’t work.
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That makes sense. Thanks for clearing it up for me. 👍
 
TimothyH said:
Mass at 6:00 PM on Saturday the 8th would be a vigil Mass for Sunday. My understaning is that It would not count toward the holy day for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception.

Woudn’t one have to go to the vigil Mass on the evening of Friday the 7th or the Saturday morning Mass to satisfy the obligation for the Feast of the Immaculate Conception?

Or am I misreading the question?

-Tim-
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It depends on the church. Our parish is having the Im. Concept. on Saturday evening. I have no idea if it is also the Sunday service. It is only in the bulletin as the feast day service. Our normal Satuday evening Mass is norally at 5PM so with the Im. Concept. service being at 6:30, they may be having both. I don’t know.
 
EDKidd said:
I attend a church run by Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and as you may know Saturday 8th December is the feast of the Immaculate Conception. Mass on that day is scheduled for 6pm.

My question is regarding whether that Mass would be classed as a “Vigil”. I ask because I am unable to attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form the following day and wondered if attending the feast of the Immaculate Conception at 6pm would fulfill my Sunday obligation or would I still need to attend my Ordinary Form parish?

Thanks in advance.
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First, a little background (ie liturgical law).

In the Universal Norms on the Liturgical Year and the Calendar
The Sundays of Advent are assigned rank #2
The Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception is ranked #3

When a single calendar day includes 2 celebrations, the one with the higher rank (ie lower number) always takes precedence.

In this case, this year, it’s not the same calendar day, however, Saturday evening is the “overlapping” time. The 2nd Sunday of Advent begins on Saturday evening.

Normally, the feast of the Immaculate Conception would continue until midnight—however because the next day (ie 2nd Sunday of Advent) is a higher ranking celebration, the Sunday takes precedence and the liturgical day of the Imm. Conception ends at the time of Evening Prayer I for Sunday (ie. Saturday at 4 PM).

That’s a long way of saying that the answer to your question is:

Yes–attending Mass on Saturday evening fulfills the Sunday obligation, because at 6 PM, the 2nd Sunday of Advent has begun and the Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception has ended.

The pastor should (and hopefully will) schedule the proper Mass for that time/day—6 PM Saturday is the Sunday Mass.
 
FrDavid96 said:
No.

There are 2 Holy Days of Obligation.

The first is Immaculate Conceptionat ". That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

The second is the 2nd Sunday of Advent. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

Attending only one Mass in an attempt to fulfill two separate obligations doesn’t work.
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Talking abouy whAt “doesn’t work”, attending any Mass “out of obligation” is hardly giving praise to God with a joyful heart!
 
Don_Jackson said:
Talking abouy whAt “doesn’t work”, attending any Mass “out of obligation” is hardly giving praise to God with a joyful heart!
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That wasn’t the question.

The question asked was “…would that meet the requirement for both?”

If the question had been something like “should we only attend Mass out of a sense of obligation?” then the answer would have been different.

A college professor used to remind us every time he gave an assignment or test:
“One, answer the question. Two, answer the question. Three, answer the question.”

Good advice.
 
FrDavid96 said:
No.

There are 2 Holy Days of Obligation.

The first is Immaculate Conception. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

The second is the 2nd Sunday of Advent. That’s one obligation to attend one Mass.

Attending only one Mass in an attempt to fulfill two separate obligations doesn’t work.
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However, next year, when December 8th is on Sunday, there is only the requirement to attend the one Sunday Mass. Just something to remember. 🙂

–Jen
 
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