Violent parts of OT?

[NotWorthy]

No, I think I fully grasp the staggering differences between someone who slaughters children and rapes women because an imaginary old man in the clouds tells him to, and someone who slaughters children and rapes women because a real old man in the cloud tells him to. I personally feel that genocide is always wrong, even if you’re really really sure the voices in your head are “real”. I don’t know how many Andrea Yates or 9/11s we have to have before people figure that out.

If only it were that simple, I’d have figured it out by now. The problem is this “old man in the clouds” had already parted the sea, brought bread down from heaven, slayed the first child of an entire nation, turned water into blood, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.

If that “old man in the clouds” told me kareoke was necessary for my salvation, I’d start brushing up on my personal interpretation of Bohemien Rhapsody!!!

 

[Valke2]

If only it were that simple, I’d have figured it out by now. The problem is this “old man in the clouds” had already parted the sea, brought bread down from heaven, slayed the first child of an entire nation, turned water into blood, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.

If that “old man in the clouds” told me kareoke was necessary for my salvation, I’d start brushing up on my personal interpretation of Bohemien Rhapsody!!!

And the people who planes into buildings believed with 100% certainity that they were doing God’s work.

 

[NotWorthy]

And the people who planes into buildings believed with 100% certainity that they were doing God’s work.

But the difference is that Israel listened to “an old man in the clouds” who had performed these miracles before their very eyes, while these “enlightened jihadists” are listening to a book that was written 1400 years ago and applying it to today.

I don’t see Israel attempting genocide on anyone that happens to live in Canaan today.

 

[Mersenne]

If only it were that simple, I’d have figured it out by now. The problem is this “old man in the clouds” had already parted the sea, brought bread down from heaven, slayed the first child of an entire nation, turned water into blood, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum.

If that “old man in the clouds” told me kareoke was necessary for my salvation, I’d start brushing up on my personal interpretation of Bohemien Rhapsody!!!

I guess I can give you that at least, if it starts raining bread tommorow instead of frain I’ll be more apt to listen to any booming voice from the clouds, though if it breads as heavy as it was raining today it’s going to be a crummy drive to work.

A side note, none of that stuff is likely to have happened. We can, with modern archeology, tell 3000 years from now, for example, if you went camping: how big your tent was, what you ate, where you peed, where you made a fire, what the weather was like that day, ect; even if you cleaned up after yourself. A million people wandering through the desert for 40 years just plain didn’t happen, it’s impossible that archeologists would find no trace of it, it’s nearly impossible to imagine there would be no record of their time in Egypt either.

 

[NotWorthy]

I guess I can give you that at least, if it starts raining bread tommorow instead of frain I’ll be more apt to listen to any booming voice from the clouds, though if it breads as heavy as it was raining today it’s going to be a crummy drive to work.

A side note, none of that stuff is likely to have happened. We can, with modern archeology, tell 3000 years from now, for example, if you went camping: how big your tent was, what you ate, where you peed, where you made a fire, what the weather was like that day, ect; even if you cleaned up after yourself. A million people wandering through the desert for 40 years just plain didn’t happen, it’s impossible that archeologists would find no trace of it, it’s nearly impossible to imagine there would be no record of their time in Egypt either.

Who said Archaologists have not found proof? In the last century, they found where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea (they located numerous Egyptian chariot wheels under the seabed). Until a few years ago, Archeaologists didn’t believe there existed a King David or a Temple (the first one), and have since found proof of both of these. I do believe they have discovered where the Israelites spent a majority of their exile in the wilderness, just across from the Jordan. I’ll see if I can find those texts that talk about it.

 

[NotWorthy]

I guess I can give you that at least, if it starts raining bread tommorow instead of frain I’ll be more apt to listen to any booming voice from the clouds, though if it breads as heavy as it was raining today it’s going to be a crummy drive to work.

I LOVE a good pun… and that sir, was NOT a good pun!!! Just joking!

 

[Mersenne]

Who said Archaologists have not found proof?

Archaologists. Archaologists I’ve met. Archaologists that have spoken at lectures I’ve heard. Archaologists in archaology journals.

In the last century, they found where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea (they located numerous Egyptian chariot wheels under the seabed).

Has been debunked as a scam for a long time. The same guy who claimed to have found chariot wheels says he found the ark of the convenent, the blood of Jesus Christ, yet no one but him have ever seen any of these things, and many of his claims have been revealed to be outright lies. If you worry about bias, you can find a lot about these claims on christian websites as well.

answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp

Until a few years ago, Archeaologists didn’t believe there existed a King David or a Temple (the first one), and have since found proof of both of these.

It can be quite a bit difficult to determine the validity of the existence of any particular historical figure. While archeology can tell you “there was a person here for a month in spring in 1500BC, he ate fish from the nearby river and used such and such kind of tent”, which is amazing, but it can’t really tell you his name without some kind of record. However, trying to find a million people who walked around for 40 years is like…trying to find a cow in a haystack. It’s not all that tough. We also have no Egyption records, which is weird.

 

[NotWorthy]

Archaologists. Archaologists I’ve met. Archaologists that have spoken at lectures I’ve heard. Archaologists in archaology journals.

Has been debunked as a scam for a long time. The same guy who claimed to have found chariot wheels says he found the ark of the convenent, the blood of Jesus Christ, yet no one but him have ever seen any of these things, and many of his claims have been revealed to be outright lies. If you worry about bias, you can find a lot about these claims on christian websites as well.
answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp

That’s interesting. I got the Red Sea one from a different source than the other two (David and the Temple). I’ll see if it’s that same guy that claims he found the ark. I’d still like to dig up the other article, but that was a while ago… and I’ve slept since then.

 

[NotWorthy]

This comes from ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn039/exodus.html

Another argument that the Exodus never occurred is that there are no signs that the Israelites wandered in the Sinai desert for 40 years. However, we must remember that during the Exodus the Israelites were forced to live nomadic lives. No longer did they reside in villages with sturdy houses and artifacts that could have survived as evidence. Instead, in the wilderness environment every item had to be used to its fullest capacity and then, if possible, recycled. Also, the portable tent encampments during those 40 years would have left few or no traces that could be found 3,400 years later, especially in the shifting desert sands.
Interestingly, recent satellite infrared technology has revealed ancient caravan routes in the Sinai. George Stephen, a satellite-image analyst, discovered evidence in the satellite photographs of ancient tracks made by “a massive number of people” going “from the Nile Delta straight south along the east bank of the Gulf of Suez and around the tip of the Sinai Peninsula.” He also saw huge campsites along the route, one that fits the description given in the book of Exodus (Randall Price, The Stones Cry Out, p. 137).
Could this evidence be a coincidence?
If nothing else at least it shows that a large number of people could be sustained in the same region and on the same path as that taken by the Israelites during the Exodus.

 

[Mersenne]

This comes from ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn039/exodus.html

By sentence two this guy shows he has no idea what he is talking about. See previous posts for the reasons why.

 

[Valke2]

Lack of proof, when trying to answer the question ‘did a nomadic people wander the desert over 3,000 years ago’, proves nothing. And the statement that modern archeology can tell where I pitched a tent 3,000 years from now is just silly.

 

[Mersenne]

Lack of proof, when trying to answer the question ‘did a nomadic people wander the desert over 3,000 years ago’, proves nothing. And the statement that modern archeology can tell where I pitched a tent 3,000 years from now is just silly.

not according to acheologists, but what do they know about archeology?

Lack of proof speaks volumes when we’re talking about a million people wandering through the desert. Archeology manages to track the movements of nomatic people all the time, many of which are populations of 100-200 people. By your estimation it’s a wonder we know nomatic people existed at all.

 

[Valke2]

not according to acheologists, but what do they know about archeology?

Lack of proof speaks volumes when we’re talking about a million people wandering through the desert. Archeology manages to track the movements of nomatic people all the time, many of which are populations of 100-200 people. By your estimation it’s a wonder we know nomatic people existed at all.

For every archeologist you name that says they can prove Exodus didn’t happen, I can name you 10 that will say that can’t prove it.