Virgin Mary in scripture

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The purpose of creation is that a Jew should enter the world, get married, have children, and hold down a job, and still be a spiritual person. Our job is to bring G-dliness into the very mundane areas of our life.

Ben Azzai, a rabbi who lived during the time of Rabbi Akiva, was also celibate and the gemara says he was permitted to do this.

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Every rule has its exception, and Ben Azzai and Ben Zoma were the exceptions to this rule. Maimonides writes (Laws of Marriage 15:3): “One whose soul constantly yearns for Torah, and he is constantly occupied with [its study] like Ben Azzai, and he cleaved to [Torah] his entire life and did not marry a woman – is not guilty of sin. This is provided that his inclination does not overpower him [with lustful thoughts].” We think that this law doesn’t apply to the average http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=121&o=2486

Judaism is an example of one religion which has not practiced celibacy at all. On the contrary, a marriage with children is regarded as itself a sacred duty. In the time of the Temple, even the High Priest was expected to be married and single men were prohibited from holding a variety of important offices. atheism.about.com/library/glossary/general/bldef_celibacy.htm?terms=western+rite

Judaism has no history of celibacy for its leaders, rabbis or kohens. Before the destruction of the Jerusalem temple, priests, kohens, and Levites were required to practice continence (abstain from sexual intercourse with their wife) before and during their time of service at the temple. They were permitted to resume marital relations after completing their service. Some community functions are, as a rule, filled only by married men. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy

Not one law in all of Judaism goes against man’s nature. Unlike Catholicism which frowns upon divorce, and praises celibacy, Judaism embraces the need at times for married couples to divorce if they will be happier that way, and Judaism also embraces man’s need for sexual happiness and children… mesora.org/howjudaismdiffers.html
 
As far as I can see some scripture must be literal and some must be allegorical. Do you disagree? Is it all literal or all allegorical in the Jewish interpretation?

It is not entirely surprising that there is a reinterpretation of OT scripture. Christians firmly believe (and I realize and respect the fact that you do not) that one of the reasons Jesus came is the fact that the Jews of the day just weren’t getting it. The leadership was going through the motions of the Law but not understanding the spirit of the Law. After Jesus came, the OT scriptures indeed took on new meaning. It is often said the New Testament is hidden in the Old Testament and the Old Testament is revealed in the New.

Believe me, I’m not attempting to belittle your faith or your intellect. I’m just explaining that yes, the OT has been reinterpreted in the light of the NT and Christians believe we have good reason for doing so.
I understand. That is what makes a debate so difficult. We are using two completely different sets of rules. Like arguing from the same text from alternate universes.
 
They are examples of extraordianary scholars who devoted their lives to studying TOrah and were thus “exempt” from the commandment to be frutiful and multiply.
Certainly, to a Christian, Mary and Joseph far exceed the devotion of these men. To say the scholars were exceptions but Joseph and Mary could not possibly be is not logical. To the Christian there are no more dedicated people to God than Mary and Joseph. If dedication to the work of God is your justification in believing an “exemption” is allowed why can’t Joseph and Mary be considered, other than of course you don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God. Certainly we interpret Scripture differently. I believe Jesus is God, you do not.
 
Judaism is an example of one religion which has not practiced celibacy at all. On the contrary, a marriage with children is regarded as itself a sacred duty. In the time of the Temple, even the High Priest was expected to be married and single men were prohibited from holding a variety of important offices. atheism.about.com/library/glossary/general/bldef_celibacy.htm?terms=western+rite
Interesting you’d quote an atheist site and not a Jewish site. I of course disagree since the Essenes were a Jewish sect that inhabited the Qumran (dead sea) area from about 150 B.C. till About 70 A.D. That’s about 120 years, give or take. They practiced celibacy yet some were married. They adopted and recruited members. They are an historical fact. Yes they did die out, but they did exist. So your atheist web site is either in error or the Essenes never existed. Which?
 
I want to start out by saying that I’ve already searched through the archives looking for an answer to this, and I at least didn’t see it previously, but I could be wrong and would appriciate even a link to a previous post. I have a rather specific question, that hopefully isn’t too redundant as I’ve noted that it’s a bit of a popular topic.

Is there any scriptural basis for believing that Mary was a virgin after Jesus was born, or more specifically that Mary and Joseph never consummated their marriage? The only answers I’ve seen to similar questions quote the catechism, not the bible.
In the Berean sense, Scripture speaks to the perpetual virginity of Mary.

See here…

Berean study of the Scriptures - View

And then here…

**Doctrines about Mary are Biblical **- View
 
Not one law in all of Judaism goes against man’s nature.
Circumcision is a natural desire? Yeah, when I was a baby I just wanted to tear the skin off.
Actually, I don’t have problems with Jewish Law ( I don’t follow it, but I don’t have a problem with it either), I just don’t think you’re correct that celibacy either in or out of a marriage is against Jewish Law. Not popular or prevalent, but not against the Law. Being according to man’s nature does not mean it’s according to God’s nature.
 
Having drifted off topic…thank you to all who participated, this thread is now closed.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
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