Virginity and marriage.

[starshiptrooper]

That doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

No human result is ever guaranteed, however, the scenario removes a great obstacle to mankind’s imitation of our Lord.

Well, for those that say ‘sounds like no fun’, rest assured that people always find ways to enjoy themselves. In this case, people’s tastes for what is enjoyeable will simply have changed.

It reminds me of a scene from Demolition Man, one of the best movies to deal with Red Pill concepts.

youtube.com/watch?v=jae38H1_j-E

Interestingly, while I have seen many CAF posters, mostly women, insist that romance novels are NOT porn and nowhere near as addictive as visual porn – last I checked it was mostly women who bought a certain series of S+M themed “romances” about a man by the name of Grey.

This right here is one of the reasons why I took the Red Pill. You have all those girls saying they want a nice romantic beta guy who will treat them as equal, get affirmative consent, and then be a good Feminist/castrati. Then they turn around and buy a book about a 6’ billionaire who ties up women, dominates them, and does all manner of weird and freaky things to them.

 

[AdamP88]

It reminds me of a scene from Demolition Man, one of the best movies to deal with Red Pill concepts.

youtube.com/watch?v=jae38H1_j-EThis right here is one of the reasons why I took the Red Pill. You have all those girls saying they want a nice romantic beta guy who will treat them as equal, get affirmative consent, and then be a good Feminist/castrati. Then they turn around and buy a book about a 6’ billionaire who ties up women, dominates them, and does all manner of weird and freaky things to them.

Beta, feminist, castrati!?

What a load of nonsense. Get a grip mate.

 

[Xantippe]

It reminds me of a scene from Demolition Man, one of the best movies to deal with Red Pill concepts.

youtube.com/watch?v=jae38H1_j-EThis right here is one of the reasons why I took the Red Pill. You have all those girls saying they want a nice romantic beta guy who will treat them as equal, get affirmative consent, and then be a good Feminist/castrati. Then they turn around and buy a book about a 6’ billionaire who ties up women, dominates them, and does all manner of weird and freaky things to them.

What people enjoy in their escapist media is different from what they enjoy in real life. For example, a lot more people love action or zombie movies than would actually enjoy being shot at or chased by zombies. Or, it’s a lot more fun to read about being in a WWII POW camp or castaway on a desert island than it would be to actually do those things.

If the freaky billionaire gets to be too much, you just shut the book and he’s gone. In a sense, the reader experiences a lot of power over the billionaire.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Beta, feminist, castrati!?

What a load of nonsense. Get a grip mate.

Not sure whether I am dealing with the 49th Law of Power or a determined Blue Piller. Call it nonsense if you want, but it definitely helped me make sense of things I that I did or saw others doing.

 

[LethalMouse]

Here is what I have been saying in rhese threads.

And this thread is perfect.

Xantippe is generaly half right

Starship is generally half right

The truth is in the middle.

If you can’t see the truth in both of them you are wrong. If you cant see the wrong in both, you are wrong.

That is how most humans work, extremism

I know I am right simoly bc it is said the truth lies in the middle of both sides and I am there alone

 

[LightBound]

Not sure whether I am dealing with the 49th Law of Power or a determined Blue Piller. Call it nonsense if you want, but it definitely helped me make sense of things I that I did or saw others doing.

Sweet Baby Jesus! Are there really people out there that actually think like this? How in the hell did you get yourself caught up in this nonsense? Are guys today really that stupid to fall for some kind of wanker Daldiddle running off on a website about how women are of the devil? Lord help us all, if this is what manhood has devolved into.

 

[Xantippe]

Related: here’s a really funny take on the difference between video game war and actual war:

theonion.com/video/ultra-realistic-modern-warfare-game-features-await-14382

I don’t have any text to paste in, but it’s a parody news piece about a fictional new edition of Call of Duty: “Ultra-Realistic Modern Warfare Game Features Awaiting Orders, Repairing Trucks.”

The fake news clip is really good!

There’s an analogous difference between novel abusive sadistic boyfriend and real life abusive sadistic boyfriend. For example, the one I’m most familiar with (fortunately not in person) had a nasty habit of burning our relative on a hot stove. But no helicopter!

 

[starshiptrooper]

Here is what I have been saying in rhese threads.

And this thread is perfect.

Xantippe is generaly half right

Starship is generally half right

The truth is in the middle.

If you can’t see the truth in both of them you are wrong. If you cant see the wrong in both, you are wrong.

That is how most humans work, extremism

I know I am right simoly bc it is said the truth lies in the middle of both sides and I am there alone

You would probably be right if Xantippe and I disagreed over concrete examples and not abstract principle. However, compromise between principles subverts the nature of principles.

 

[AdamP88]

Not sure whether I am dealing with the 49th Law of Power or a determined Blue Piller. Call it nonsense if you want, but it definitely helped me make sense of things I that I did or saw others doing.

Or someone who sees the RedPill movement, if it can even be called a movement, for what it is. An incorrect philosophy that appeals to lonely, awkward, or angry men who don’t have the self confidence to approach a woman and instead prefer to gossip about how women cause all the rape and divorce in the world and are naturally bad.

 

[starshiptrooper]

Or someone who sees the RedPill movement, if it can even be called a movement, for what it is. An incorrect philosophy that appeals to lonely, awkward, or angry men who don’t have the self confidence to approach a woman and instead prefer to gossip about how women cause all the rape and divorce in the world and are naturally bad.

Yeah, I am currently lonely, definitely furious (you would be too if you learned that you had been sold a bill of goods), and was always awkward, thankfully, the Red Pill focuses on overcoming that. The movement as a whole has a skeptical view of Western marriage for good reason. Your other claims are simply ludicrous and not supported by the evidence.

 

[AdamP88]

Yeah, I am currently lonely, definitely furious (you would be too if you learned that you had been sold a bill of goods), and was always awkward, but oddly enough, the Red Pill focuses on overcoming that. The movement as a whole has a skeptical view of Western marriage for good reason. Your other claims are simply ludicrous and not supported by the evidence.

My experience of so-called RedPillers is that they will basically blame every divorce on women. They are never the problem. Their view of marriage in not the same as what the Catholic Church teaches about marriage at all.

They also have this odd view that women are naturally deceptive and inferior to men.

Oh and they seem to fetishise virginity in women as the magical formula for successful marriage.

If you want to have a good, Catholic marriage, then find a wife who shares your world view and believes in the indissolubility of marriage.

The RedPill movement will certainly not bring you closer to Christ. That much is certain.

There are other ways to attract women besides gaming.

 

[AdamP88]

Yeah, I am currently lonely, definitely furious (you would be too if you learned that you had been sold a bill of goods), and was always awkward, thankfully, the Red Pill focuses on overcoming that. The movement as a whole has a skeptical view of Western marriage for good reason. Your other claims are simply ludicrous and not supported by the evidence.

what do you mean by this?

 

[ADS1987]

I know this goes against the grain of this thread a bit, but I have only dated Catholic women. I have had more experiences where women either put down or as with my last girlfriend who was disappointed when she found out that I was a virgin. It has made me feel like it has been a big mistake to not have had sex.

On a different and kinda weird note, my last girlfriend did say she felt like she was a virgin because she never orgasmed from sex.

 

[Norseman82]

What people enjoy in their escapist media is different from what they enjoy in real life. For example, a lot more people love action or zombie movies than would actually enjoy being shot at or chased by zombies. Or, it’s a lot more fun to read about being in a WWII POW camp or castaway on a desert island than it would be to actually do those things.

If the freaky billionaire gets to be too much, you just shut the book and he’s gone. In a sense, the reader experiences a lot of power over the billionaire.

I’m confused…first porn is addictive (at least for males), but now (for females, since the quoute was directed at a post regarding “mommy porn”) it’s “escapist media” and if it “gets to be too much…just shut the book”?

 

[Norseman82]

Actually. I didn’t say that at all. It’s not even implied. An alcohol addict might be dangerous, violent and abusive, but I’d rather have an alcohol addict in the family than a porn addict.

As Ted Bundy famously said: “I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence just like me. And without exception, without question, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography. “

Every man that views child porn starts out with adult porn.

As far as I’m concerned porn is infinitely more dangerous than alcohol. And even someone who uses it in moderation is always in danger of becoming more addicted.

I don’t know how nuch experience you had with porn or alcohol in your family, but when I was growing up, I had a very abusive and violent alcoholic on my late mom’s side that I had to deal with on a daily basis. I also had an uncle and aunt on my late dad’s side that had nudie pictures in their bar in their basement that I had to avoid whenever I visited on holidays. I assure you, I felt way more threatened by the alcoholic, and if I had to make a choice between the two regarding whom to leave children with I would choose the uncle and aunt.

 

[Lea101]

I’m confused…first porn is addictive (at least for males), but now (for females, since the quoute was directed at a post regarding “mommy porn”) it’s “escapist media” and if it “gets to be too much…just shut the book”?

I think too much in the sense that it makes the reader feel uncomfortable at the idea of bdsm sex. Which is true. You want a sweet guy. You read the book. Don’t like it? Stop reading.

But IMO like regular porn, it’s the whole frog in the water analogy (you slowly heat up the water, the frog dies).

But if we are strictly referring to 50 shades, people were “okay” with it bc the male protagonist, minus the bdam part of him, was very sensitive and protective. (Don’t judge me, I read the trilogy to see the hype. It’s trash, obviously. Didn’t get hooked on it, surprisingly). And in the 2nd and 3rd book he makes an effort to change for her, they get married, they communicate etc. It’s the ultimate fantasy girls have “Maybe I could change him”
Him, being the bad boy. I would say it’s not the same as regular porn in general (as in why people like those books, but it’s definitely not ‘not porn’. Those books are fiiiilthy)

 

[Norseman82]

I would add that virginity itself is not necessarily a sign of virtue. It can also be a sign of lack of opportunity.

This is a very insulting statement to male virgins.

Football star Tim Tebow recently was dumped by his so-called Catholic girlfriend because he would not give in to her desires for fornication. So there’s one example that disproves your statement. And I’d like to see those posters who are making the conection male virgin = porn addict accuse him of being a porn addict in person.

I don’t know what it is with virgins that threatens some of you people that you have to engage in calumny/detraction (or whatever the technical term for the false assumptions that are being made).

 

[Lea101]

I know this goes against the grain of this thread a bit, but I have only dated Catholic women. I have had more experiences where women either put down or as with my last girlfriend who was disappointed when she found out that I was a virgin. It has made me feel like it has been a big mistake to not have had sex.

On a different and kinda weird note, my last girlfriend did say she felt like she was a virgin because she never orgasmed from sex.

Yeaah. Unfortunately this is quite common. Society’s idea of masculinity=getting laid. So when someone is not getting laid, there is an automatic assumption that the guy is a loser. Some want their guy to be experienced because they like guys to initiate, be strong, that kind of stuff. So an inexperienced man fumbling around could be a turn off. Women, on the other hand, will be labelled as sluts, and if they are a virgin, they are prudes. It’s honestly so annoying Which is why I stopped caring about what people think of what I do or don’t do with my body.

You would have better luck dating catholic women who takes their faith really seriously. But they are really rare gems that you gotta beg God for

 

[Norseman82]

I think too much in the sense that it makes the reader feel uncomfortable at the idea of bdsm sex. Which is true. You want a sweet guy. You read the book. Don’t like it? Stop reading.

But IMO like regular porn, it’s the whole frog in the water analogy (you slowly heat up the water, the frog dies).

But if we are strictly referring to 50 shades, people were “okay” with it bc the male protagonist, minus the bdam part of him, was very sensitive and protective. (Don’t judge me, I read the trilogy to see the hype. It’s trash, obviously. Didn’t get hooked on it, surprisingly). And in the 2nd and 3rd book he makes an effort to change for her, they get married, they communicate etc. It’s the ultimate fantasy girls have “Maybe I could change him”
Him, being the bad boy. I would say it’s not the same as regular porn in general (as in why people like those books, but it’s definitely not ‘not porn’. Those books are fiiiilthy)

I hope you understand why the statement that confused me came off as a double standard within the context of this thread (man views porn = he’s a porn addict and he is unfit for marriage, but a woman reads porn = escapism that can be “turned off” and no implications that it renders her unfit for marriage). At least you acknowledged it as porn and filthy.

 

[Lea101]

This is a very insulting statement to male virgins.

Football star Tim Tebow recently was dumped by his so-called Catholic girlfriend because he would not give in to her desires for fornication. So there’s one example that disproves your statement. And I’d like to see those posters who are making the conection male virgin = porn addict accuse him of being a porn addict in person.

I don’t know what it is with virgins that threatens some of you people that you have to engage in calumny/detraction (or whatever the technical term for the false assumptions that are being made).

To be fair…your statement did not disprove his statement. He didn’t say all male virgins are virgins who had no opportunity, he said that not all male virgins are virtuous men. Which is obviously true. So your example just shows that there are different types of virgins-those who choose to wait, those who would do it but cannot get a girl to do it with.