Virulent anti-Catholicism of 1837

[Jerusha]

Here is a link to a debate between John B Purcell, Bishop of Cincinatti, Ohio, and Alexander Campbell, who initiated the “Restorationist” movement that claims a Catholic “Apostasy.”

archive.org/details/debateonromancat00campiala

I downloaded a copy for myself into Acrobat Reader, because I depend on stray wi-fi waves. I have seen echoes of this debate on this board. :nope: Will it ever end??

 

[Eucharisted]

Catholic “apostosy” has been around since at least the days of John Martyr (did I get his name right?). It’s just that the meaning of Catholic apostosy has changed over the years. At first it meant Christians had apostosized from Judaism. Then it came to mean the Catholic Church has apostosized from Jesus or the Faith (depending on whom you ask).

 

[Hisalone]

Here is a link to a debate between John B Purcell, Bishop of Cincinatti, Ohio, and Alexander Campbell, who initiated the “Restorationist” movement that claims a Catholic “Apostasy.”

archive.org/details/debateonromancat00campiala

I downloaded a copy for myself into Acrobat Reader, because I depend on stray wi-fi waves. I have seen echoes of this debate on this board. :nope: Will it ever end??

Anti-Protestantism originated in a reaction by the Catholic Church against the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century. Protestants were denounced as heretics and subject to persecution in those territories, such as Spain, Italy and the Netherlands, in which the Catholics were the dominant power. This movement was orchestrated by Popes and Princes as the Counter Reformation. This resulted in religious wars and eruptions of sectarian hatred such as the St Bartholomew’s Day Massacre.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Protestantism

 

[RebeccaJ]

hi Jerusha, it is no surprise. The northeast colonies were anti-Catholic. Being a “papist” was cause for jail time and deportation, back to where ever it was you came from. The Maryland colony was created specifically as a colony for Catholics. The anti-Catholicism continued on well into the 20th century. It was a cause for the hatred against Irish immigrants. They were dirtying up the place with their popery!

Some of it remains, mainly cultural. Priests in films are never shown doing what it is they do. They are always drunk, and Irish. Or lately, like the last X-Files film, pedophiles living in colonies of defrocked pedophile priests. The Church is always the bad guy.

 

[PA650]

Anti-Catholicism reared its ugly head in The Southwark Riots of 1844 in Philadelphia, PA. A decent summary can be found here, irish-society.org/Hedgemaster%20Archives/philadelphia.htm

 

[dianaiad]

hi Jerusha, it is no surprise. The northeast colonies were anti-Catholic. Being a “papist” was cause for jail time and deportation, back to where ever it was you came from. The Maryland colony was created specifically as a colony for Catholics. The anti-Catholicism continued on well into the 20th century. It was a cause for the hatred against Irish immigrants. They were dirtying up the place with their popery!

Some of it remains, mainly cultural. Priests in films are never shown doing what it is they do. They are always drunk, and Irish. Or lately, like the last X-Files film, pedophiles living in colonies of defrocked pedophile priests. The Church is always the bad guy.

Really?

1. The Passion of the Christ (2004)
2. The Sound of Music (1965)*
3. A Man For All Seasons (1966)*
4. The Song of Bernadette (1943)*
5. It’s a Wonderful Life (1946)*
6. The Ten Commandments (1956)*
7. The Scarlet and the Black (1983)
8. Jesus of Nazareth (1977)*
9. Schindler’s List (1993) *
10. The Bells of St Mary’s (1945)*
11. Thérèse (2004)
12. Braveheart (1995) *
13. The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima*
14. The Mission (1986) *
15. Lilies of the Field (1963)*
16. The Miracle of Marcelino (1955)
17. Les Miserables (1998) *
18. The Quiet Man (1952)* (OK, OK, this is an Irish Catholic priest who loves the local pub. HOwever, since the movie is set in Ireland and revolves partly AROUND the pub, please forgive them)
19. Ben Hur (1959)*
20. Rudy (1993) *
21. The Robe (1953)*
22. Return to Me (2000)
23. We Were Soldiers (2002) *
24. Becket (1964) *
25. Going My Way (1944)
26. Romero (1989)
27. Sister Act (1992) *
28. Pope John Paul II (1984)
29. Jonah: a Veggie Tales Movie (2002)
30. Shoes of the Fisherman (1986)*
31. Brideshead Revisited (1981) *
32. The Keys of the Kingdom (1944)*
33. On the Waterfront (1954)*
34. I Confess (1953)
35. Boy’s Town (1938)*
36. Molokai: the Story of Father Damien (1999) *
37. Quo Vadis (1951)*
38. The Trouble With Angels (1956)*
39. Babette’s Feast (1987)
40. The Rookie (2002) *
41. The Reluctant Saint (1962)
42. One Man’s Hero (1999)
43. Brother Sun, Sister Moon (1972)
44. The Exorcist (1973) *
45. Dead Man Walking (1995) *
46. Joan of Arc (1948)*
47. The Agony and the Ecstasy (1965) *
48. The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) *
49. Angels In the Outfield (1951)*
50. Moonstruck (1987) *
51. The Miracle Maker: the Story of Jesus (2000)
52. Henry V (1989) *
53. Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison (1957)*
54. Entertaining Angels: the Dorothy Day Story (1996)
55. Knute Rockne: All American (1940)*
56. The Greatest Story Ever Told (1965)*
57. The Singing Nun (1966)*
58. Marty (1955)*
59. Monsieur Vincent (1948)
60. The Assisi Underground (1985)
61. Au Revoir Les Infants (1987) *
62. Come to the Stable (1949)
63. Diary of a Country Priest (1951)
64. In This House of Brede (1975)*
65. The Jeweller’s Shop (1988)
66. The Miracle of the Bells (1948)*
67. The Fighting Sullivans (1944)
68. The Fourth Wiseman (1985)
69. The Juggler of Notre Dame (1970)
70. Barabbas (1962)*
71. King of Kings (1961)*
72. Francis of Assisi (1961)*
73. The Adventures of Robin Hood (1937)*
74. The Decalogue (1987)
75. The Gospel According to Saint Matthew (1966)
76. Angels With Dirty Faces (1938)*
77. The Fugitive (1947)*
78. The Longest Day (1962)*
79. Thérèse (1986)
80. The Gospel of John (2003)
81. A.D. (1985)
82. Faustyna (1995)
83. The Son (2002)
84. Francesco (1989) *
85. The Flowers of St. Francis (1950)*
86. Brother Orchid (1940)
87. Demetrius and the Gladiators*
88. Nazarin (1958)
89. The Silver Chalice (1954)*
90. When In Rome (1952)
91. Not of This World (1999)
92. Open City (1945) *
93. 3 Godfathers (1948)*
94. Don Bosco (1988)
95. Abraham (1994)
96. The Detective (1954)
97. The Hoodlum Saint (1946)
98. The Sign of the Cross (1932)*
99. The Wrong Man (1956)
100. Padre On Horseback (1977)

All of the above movies portray Catholic doctrine positively and have specific Catholic references, according to the National Catholic Register. I haven’t personally seen all of these movies, but I’ve seen the ones with asterisks (whew…I"ve seen more than I thought—must be all those ‘history of film’ classes) and I have to concur with this Catholic newsweekly about the ones that I have seen, anyway. When they do portray Catholic priests and nuns, they are represented with respect and reverence for the jobs they do.

There are more movies like this, of course–but they stopped at 100.

 

[dianaiad]

All of the above movies portray Catholic doctrine positively and have specific Catholic references, according to the National Catholic Register. I haven’t personally seen all of these movies, but I’ve seen the ones with asterisks (whew…I"ve seen more than I thought—must be all those ‘history of film’ classes) and I have to concur with this Catholic newsweekly about the ones that I have seen, anyway. When they do portray Catholic priests and nuns, they are represented with respect and reverence for the jobs they do.

There are more movies like this, of course–but they stopped at 100.

Addendum: Given that we Mormons are stuck with “Plan 10 from Outer Space,” “Napolean Bonaparte” and “September Dawn,” I think that, just perhaps, you guys don’t have a whole lot of gripe coming.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Really?

1. The Passion of the Christ (2004)
2. The Sound of Music (1965)*
3. A Man For All Seasons (1966)*
4. The Song of Bernadette (1943)*
5. It’s a Wonderful Life (1946)*
6. The Ten Commandments (1956)*
7. The Scarlet and the Black (1983)
8. Jesus of Nazareth (1977)*
9. Schindler’s List (1993) *
10. The Bells of St Mary’s (1945)*
11. Thérèse (2004)
12. Braveheart (1995) *
13. The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima*
14. The Mission (1986) *
15. Lilies of the Field (1963)*
16. The Miracle of Marcelino (1955)
17. Les Miserables (1998) *
18. The Quiet Man (1952)* (OK, OK, this is an Irish Catholic priest who loves the local pub. HOwever, since the movie is set in Ireland and revolves partly AROUND the pub, please forgive them)
19. Ben Hur (1959)*
20. Rudy (1993) *
21. The Robe (1953)*
22. Return to Me (2000)
23. We Were Soldiers (2002) *
24. Becket (1964) *
25. Going My Way (1944)
26. Romero (1989)
27. Sister Act (1992) *
28. Pope John Paul II (1984)
29. Jonah: a Veggie Tales Movie (2002)
30. Shoes of the Fisherman (1986)*
31. Brideshead Revisited (1981) *
32. The Keys of the Kingdom (1944)*
33. On the Waterfront (1954)*
34. I Confess (1953)
35. Boy’s Town (1938)*
36. Molokai: the Story of Father Damien (1999) *
37. Quo Vadis (1951)*
38. The Trouble With Angels (1956)*
39. Babette’s Feast (1987)
40. The Rookie (2002) *
41. The Reluctant Saint (1962)
42. One Man’s Hero (1999)
43. Brother Sun, Sister Moon (1972)
44. The Exorcist (1973) *
45. Dead Man Walking (1995) *
46. Joan of Arc (1948)*
47. The Agony and the Ecstasy (1965) *
48. The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) *
49. Angels In the Outfield (1951)*
50. Moonstruck (1987) *
51. The Miracle Maker: the Story of Jesus (2000)
52. Henry V (1989) *
53. Heaven Knows, Mr. Allison (1957)*
54. Entertaining Angels: the Dorothy Day Story (1996)
55. Knute Rockne: All American (1940)*
56. The Greatest Story Ever Told (1965)*
57. The Singing Nun (1966)*
58. Marty (1955)*
59. Monsieur Vincent (1948)
60. The Assisi Underground (1985)
61. Au Revoir Les Infants (1987) *
62. Come to the Stable (1949)
63. Diary of a Country Priest (1951)
64. In This House of Brede (1975)*
65. The Jeweller’s Shop (1988)
66. The Miracle of the Bells (1948)*
67. The Fighting Sullivans (1944)
68. The Fourth Wiseman (1985)
69. The Juggler of Notre Dame (1970)
70. Barabbas (1962)*
71. King of Kings (1961)*
72. Francis of Assisi (1961)*
73. The Adventures of Robin Hood (1937)*
74. The Decalogue (1987)
75. The Gospel According to Saint Matthew (1966)
76. Angels With Dirty Faces (1938)*
77. The Fugitive (1947)*
78. The Longest Day (1962)*
79. Thérèse (1986)
80. The Gospel of John (2003)
81. A.D. (1985)
82. Faustyna (1995)
83. The Son (2002)
84. Francesco (1989) *
85. The Flowers of St. Francis (1950)*
86. Brother Orchid (1940)
87. Demetrius and the Gladiators*
88. Nazarin (1958)
89. The Silver Chalice (1954)*
90. When In Rome (1952)
91. Not of This World (1999)
92. Open City (1945) *
93. 3 Godfathers (1948)*
94. Don Bosco (1988)
95. Abraham (1994)
96. The Detective (1954)
97. The Hoodlum Saint (1946)
98. The Sign of the Cross (1932)*
99. The Wrong Man (1956)
100. Padre On Horseback (1977)

All of the above movies portray Catholic doctrine positively and have specific Catholic references, according to the National Catholic Register. I haven’t personally seen all of these movies, but I’ve seen the ones with asterisks (whew…I"ve seen more than I thought—must be all those ‘history of film’ classes) and I have to concur with this Catholic newsweekly about the ones that I have seen, anyway. When they do portray Catholic priests and nuns, they are represented with respect and reverence for the jobs they do.

There are more movies like this, of course–but they stopped at 100.

Diana, perhaps you could go through that list and weed out the films that are indie films made by Catholics, for Catholics. Also, weed out the films that aren’t “Hollywood”, but from theater.

Probably, you don’t understand what I mean by “Hollywood”. Not all films are Hollywood films. There is a lot of film making that emerges and even thrives, in spite of the existence of Hollywood and all that it entails.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Here’s a good one, from today’s Salt Lake Tribune

sltrib.com/News/ci_12372124

Most people who have a particular faith got at least a semblance of it from their parents, who got it from their ancestors, who got it from whatever culture overran and dominated theirs. Those who didn’t convert at the point of a sword did so through gradual assimilation and social pressure.
Islam and Christianity are the two biggest culprits. Simple benevolence isn’t what made them the largest two religions on the planet today. They spread their faith through conquest and then enforcement.
Most Latinos and American Indians wouldn’t be Christian today had it not been forced on them. And not only would most blacks in America not be Christian, they wouldn’t even be in America.

Yes, you heard right, every Catholic convert in the world didn’t really have a conversion of conscience, they were forced.

 

[Rawb]

Most Latinos…wouldn’t be Christian today had it not been forced on them.

Clearly this writer has never heard of Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe!

 

[RebeccaJ]

Clearly this writer has never heard of Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe!

Exactly!

 

[Jerusha]

Clearly this writer has never heard of Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe!

Or Fr. Bartolome de las Casas, who probably wouldn’t have done what he did without La Senora de Guadalupe.

I found a real gem:

If there was ever to come a time, when the true church was to fail, Jesus Christ was bound by his wisdom and love to foretell it. If it was his intention to forsake the church, and it the power and authorities of all the regularly constituted orders were to fail, he never should have given it the promise of perpetual endurance, and the precise period, and all the different circumstances of its defection should have been more clearly and empathetically revealed, than any other event in the scripture. It is needless to add that such defection is not foretold; but on the contrary it is repeatedly declared by the Son of God, that his church should stand forever, that his Holy Spirit should abide with it all days, that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it. (Campbell & Purcell, 1837)

 

[dianaiad]

Diana, perhaps you could go through that list and weed out the films that are indie films made by Catholics, for Catholics. Also, weed out the films that aren’t “Hollywood”, but from theater.

Probably, you don’t understand what I mean by “Hollywood”. Not all films are Hollywood films. There is a lot of film making that emerges and even thrives, in spite of the existence of Hollywood and all that it entails.

Uhmn…

You want movies that have been made by recognized studios, released to mainstream movie venues, made actual money and when nominated for the Oscars, are not shunted into the ‘Independent’ class. I understand…but Rebecca…you have to be kidding. You think things like “Going my Way” (Bing Crosby) and “The Quiet Man” (John Wayne and Maureen O’Hara) and “Braveheart” are INDIE films?

Are you so young–and so unacquainted with the history of movies-- that you don’t RECOGNIZE these titles? They are not only famous, most of them are Oscar nominees and winners.

But let’s take that list, precisely as that Catholic website presented it, and start from the top. Perhaps you are correct, and they ARE all 'made for Catholics by Catholics" and are not mainstream motion pictures worthy of note. You never know…
.

1. *The Passion of the Christ *(2004) (OK, no Oscar nomination here, but we all know about the controversy here, don’t we? Of course, if you want to dismiss this one as an “Indie” film “by Catholics for Catholics” you can. Though I think you would get a few boos if you tried…
2. The Sound of Music (1965)* (won FIVE Oscars, including 'Best Picture" and was nominated for 5 more)

3.* A Man For All Seasons (1966) (Best Picture PLUS five other Oscars, nominated for two more) 1966

1. The Song of Bernadette (1943)* (won 4 Oscars, nominated for 8 more)
2. *It’s a Wonderful Life (1946) (Nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best picture, Best Director, Best Actor in a Leading Role…you get the picture)
3. The Ten Commandments (1956)* (Nominated for Best Picture 1956)
4. *The Scarlet and the Black *(1983) (OK, Made for TV movie–it only won
   an EMMY, nominated for two others)
5. *Jesus of Nazareth (1977) (The Franco Zeffirelli mini series with Olivia Hussy as Mary; won 6 BAFTA awards, nominated for 2 Emmys)
6. *Schindler’s List *(1993) * (Won 7 Oscars, including Best Picture, nominated for 5 more)
7. The Bells of St Mary’s (1945)* (Sequel to “Going My Way” for which Bing Crosby won an Oscar)
8. Thérèse (2004) (OK, so this MIGHT be an "Indie Film)
9. Braveheart 1995) * (Best Picture, 1995)
10. The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima* (Nominated for Max Steiner’s musical score…didn’t win)
11. The Mission (1986) * (Best cinematography 1987…nominated for 6 others)
12. *Lilies of the Field (1963) (Sidney Poitier Best Actor 1963; first African American to win an Oscar as leading man…nominated for 4 others)
13. *The Miracle of Marcelino *(1955) (OK, no Oscar nominations; a studio in Spain made it. Won a lot of other neat awards, though)

17.* Les Miserables *(1998) * (I thought it was done better in 1995, but Liam Neeson played Jean Valjean, so…)

1. *The Quiet Man (1952) (Best Cinematography, Best Director, 1952; nominated for 5 other Academy Awards)
2. *Ben Hur (1959) (Won 11, count 'em, ELEVEN academy awards in 1960)
3. *Rudy *(1993) * (Ok, no Oscars…Rudy just sorta snuck in there. Sean Astin was Rudy; made lots of money—definately not an ‘indie’ film)
4. *The Robe (1953) (Richard Burton, Jean Simmons, Victor Mature—I hope that you aren’t too young to recognize that these guys didn’t DO ‘indie’ films–won 2 Oscars, nominated for three more)
5. *Return to Me *(2000) (Kinda fluffy, but nice–made money. No Oscars; David Duchovney, Minnie Driver, Carroll O’Connor…)
6. We Were Soldiers (2002) * (Mel Gibson again…won ASCAP for Top Box Office Film. Means that’s the film that made the most money that year)

24.* Becket *(1964) * (Richard Burton, Peter O’Tool…won 1 Oscar, nominated for 11 more)

25.* Going My Way *(1944) (Bing Crosby, won Oscar)

I’m going to stop now, because I’ve run up against the 6000 character limit. However, please notice that I didn’t cherry pick these pictures. I went in the order that the Catholic website I got them from arranged them and looked them up in the order I found them. I’m familiar with most of the rest of the choices, and they are in the same league as the above, but feel free to continue the research.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Here is a link to a debate between John B Purcell, Bishop of Cincinatti, Ohio, and Alexander Campbell, who initiated the “Restorationist” movement that claims a Catholic “Apostasy.”

archive.org/details/debateonromancat00campiala

I downloaded a copy for myself into Acrobat Reader, because I depend on stray wi-fi waves. I have seen echoes of this debate on this board. :nope: Will it ever end??

No,it won’t. The various Churches are too traumatised for that: there’s been too much hate, too many lies, too many claims to be doing the Will of God when in fact doing no more than the corrupt & evil will of man.​

It’s going to carry on, & the same question will be asked in the future, when the load of past evil has become even heavier.

The Churches have no business preaching a Gospel of reconcilation, when their own stables outdo that of Augeias in filthiness - he had Heracles to cleanse them of a hundred years’ filth, but the Churches have no such help in cleansing their filthier & longer pasts. Besides, the Church are as much a cause of trouble & evil as a means to ending it: most of the great abominations of the past 2000 years are Christian work. The history of the Churches is an exhibition of the Presence & Kingdom & Power of Satan, far more than of Christ Christ broke our fetters - the Churches put them on again, having reforged & made them unbreakable.

 

[Louie1983]

To be perfectly honest i think whenever the church is being persecuted (most of the time) it means that the church is doing it’s job because there is a huge gap now between the church’s (God’s) law and the world’s view on things. Which saint actually said he preferred the church under persecution because it kept those within it pure? or something along those lines…

The criticism and attacks will never end, we have to remain strong!

 

[Jerusha]

You are right. It is a maturing experience to respond to those criticisms. We change and purify ourselves when we respond to those criticisms, especially those that are valid. They only cry and claim persecution when we tell them to clean their own stables.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Uhmn…
.

1. *The Passion of the Christ *(2004) (OK, no Oscar nomination here, but we all know about the controversy here, don’t we? Of course, if you want to dismiss this one as an “Indie” film “by Catholics for Catholics” you can. Though I think you would get a few boos if you tried…

A Christian gore-fest, STM​

1. The Sound of Music (1965)* (won FIVE Oscars, including 'Best Picture" and was nominated for 5 more)

Anything from Disney is from the Pit​

3.* A Man For All Seasons (1966) (Best Picture PLUS five other Oscars, nominated for two more) 1966

Not bad​

1. The Song of Bernadette (1943)* (won 4 Oscars, nominated for 8 more)

Mercifully free from the worst excesses of hagiography, the dismal science of turning Saints into saccharine little so-&-sos who need a jolly good hiding​

1. *It’s a Wonderful Life (1946) (Nominated for five Academy Awards, including Best picture, Best Director, Best Actor in a Leading Role…you get the picture)

Not seen it all, so judgement reserved. So far, too many of worst features of the US - sentimentality by the ton in particular. Sentiment, fine - sentimentality, bad.​

1. The Ten Commandments (1956)* (Nominated for Best Picture 1956)

Too long since I saw it - cannot comment, except to doubt the motives of CB de M (ditto those of the makers of all sword-and-sandals-&-early-Christians films)​

1. *The Scarlet and the Black *(1983) (OK, Made for TV movie–it only won
   an EMMY, nominated for two others)

Title withstanding, has nothing to with Stendhal. Have not seen, so cannot judge.​

1. *Jesus of Nazareth (1977) (The Franco Zeffirelli mini series with Olivia Hussy as Mary; won 6 BAFTA awards, nominated for 2 Emmys)

Not aware of having seen, cannot comment​

1. *Schindler’s List *(1993) * (Won 7 Oscars, including Best Picture, nominated for 5 more)

Have not seen, so cannot judge​

1. The Bells of St Mary’s (1945)* (Sequel to “Going My Way” for which Bing Crosby won an Oscar)

Have not seen, have anecdotal impression only. Presence of BC an indicator of Rotten Tomatoship. RC “feel good” flicks combined with triumphalism & sentimentality a repellent brew​

1. Thérèse (2004) (OK, so this MIGHT be an "Indie Film)

Not seen, cannot comment​

1. Braveheart 1995) * (Best Picture, 1995)

Mendacious, one-sided, cartoonish ScotNat excreta - a disgrace to all guilty of perpetrating it; worthy of the state that patronised the films of Eisenstein, but in quality far below anything he produced. About as reliable as the Hollywood treatment of the “Enigma” code or the July Plot. Mel Gibson as an anachronistically bekilted Wallace is the reason of reasons not to take his faux treament of the Passion seriously. NB - would someone kindly inform Hollywood that “Bonny Prince Charlie” did not live at the same time as Sir William Wallace & King Edward I, & that for this reason SWW should not be clad in the garb of the 17th or 18th centuries ? “The Vikings” was full of equally ridiculous confusions.​

1. The Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima* (Nominated for Max Steiner’s musical score…didn’t win)

Not seen, cannot comment​

1. The Mission (1986) * (Best cinematography 1987…nominated for 6 others)

Spectacular if silly & historically dodgy​

1. *Lilies of the Field (1963) (Sidney Poitier Best Actor 1963; first African American to win an Oscar as leading man…nominated for 4 others)

Not seen, cannot comment​

…

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

1. *The Miracle of Marcelino *(1955) (OK, no Oscar nominations; a studio in Spain made it. Won a lot of other neat awards, though)

Ditto​

17.* Les Miserables *(1998) * (I thought it was done better in 1995, but Liam Neeson played Jean Valjean, so…)

It’s not Hollywood’s fault that the policeman is an absurdity - but JV should have shown his age more. That too may be his creator’s fault​

1. *The Quiet Man (1952) (Best Cinematography, Best Director, 1952; nominated for 5 other Academy Awards)

Not seen, cannot comment​

1. *Ben Hur (1959) (Won 11, count 'em, ELEVEN academy awards in 1960)

So that’s the famous chariot race. Not bad.​

1. *Rudy *(1993) * (Ok, no Oscars…Rudy just sorta snuck in there. Sean Astin was Rudy; made lots of money—definately not an ‘indie’ film)

Not seen, cannot comment​

1. *The Robe (1953) (Richard Burton, Jean Simmons, Victor Mature—I hope that you aren’t too young to recognize that these guys didn’t DO ‘indie’ films–won 2 Oscars, nominated for three more)

Ditto.​

1. *Return to Me *(2000) (Kinda fluffy, but nice–made money. No Oscars; David Duchovney, Minnie Driver, Carroll O’Connor…)

Ditto.​

1. We Were Soldiers (2002) * (Mel Gibson again…won ASCAP for Top Box Office Film. Means that’s the film that made the most money that year)

Ditto.​

24.* Becket *(1964) * (Richard Burton, Peter O’Tool…won 1 Oscar, nominated for 11 more)

Ditto.​

25.* Going My Way *(1944) (Bing Crosby, won Oscar)

Ditto.​

I’m going to stop now, because I’ve run up against the 6000 character limit. However, please notice that I didn’t cherry pick these pictures. I went in the order that the Catholic website I got them from arranged them and looked them up in the order I found them. I’m familiar with most of the rest of the choices, and they are in the same league as the above, but feel free to continue the research.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Uhmn…

You want movies that have been made by recognized studios, released to mainstream movie venues, made actual money and when nominated for the Oscars, are not shunted into the ‘Independent’ class. I understand…but Rebecca…you have to be kidding. You think things like “Going my Way” (Bing Crosby) and “The Quiet Man” (John Wayne and Maureen O’Hara) and “Braveheart” are INDIE films?

I suppose they are about as Catholic as “Oceans 11-13” are Mormon.

Are you so young–and so unacquainted with the history of movies-- that you don’t RECOGNIZE these titles? They are not only famous, most of them are Oscar nominees and winners.

Well yeah Diana, most of those films are older than 10 years. That is ancient in the Hollywood time frame.

But let’s take that list, precisely as that Catholic website presented it, and start from the top. Perhaps you are correct, and they ARE all 'made for Catholics by Catholics" and are not mainstream motion pictures worthy of note. You never know…

Well I thank you for cherry picking out a few of the actual Hollywood films, with Therese thrown in there to pretend like you didn’t. Of the group you weeded out, 4 were made in the last ten years. Of those, one was Mel Gibson’s ode to his faith (which he has spun off as the “Church of Mel”). “Therese” was put out by a Catholic film company, I own it on DVD. I saw the one woman play that goes along with it. It’s about like saying “The Work and the Glory” was not anti-Mormon. “Return to Me”, good film, I agree. “We Were Soldiers” I have not seen.

I don’t have time to go through the whole list. The Sound of Music…a singing nun with a stern Mother who leaves her order to marry…it’s a swell movie but the Catholic part is more like a prop. “Ten Commandments”, that one put a smile on my face. If that one isn’t anti-Catholic then it also is not anti-Jewish or anti-Mormon, as last I checked, Mormons still believed in the story of Moses. You can add that to your list of films that aren’t anti-Mormon! And “Ben Hur”, that one is a stretch as well. “A Man for All Season” was originally a play, turned into a film. Hollywood also equals screenplay is Hollywood in origin.

You can go hunting for the anti-Catholic films now if you like. lol

 

[kikkichan]

Really?

1. The Passion of the Christ (2004)
2. The Sound of Music (1965)*
   …

All of the above movies portray Catholic doctrine positively and have specific Catholic references, according to the National Catholic Register. I haven’t personally seen all of these movies, but I’ve seen the ones with asterisks (whew…I"ve seen more than I thought—must be all those ‘history of film’ classes) and I have to concur with this Catholic newsweekly about the ones that I have seen, anyway. When they do portray Catholic priests and nuns, they are represented with respect and reverence for the jobs they do.

There are more movies like this, of course–but they stopped at 100.

Dianad,
I noticed no “*” next to “The Passion of the Christ”. By all means, see it!

–kc