Visions of Mary Question

[notsmart]

Not to be rude, but that’s exactly what Jehovah’s Witnesses say about their watchtower society.

I never heard a catholic use the expression Governing Body before since I have been here. I googled it to see if it had a scriptural relevance and I got tons of JW stuff instead.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

I never heard a catholic use the expression Governing Body before since I have been here. I googled it to see if it had a scriptural relevance and I got tons of JW stuff instead.

It creeps me out to hear people appeal to the authority of the men they follow when formulating arguments in an exchange like this. It’s very cultic language.

 

[notsmart]

It creeps me out to hear people appeal to the authority of the men they follow when formulating arguments in an exchange like this. It’s very cultic language.

Well, I half agree with you. I personally don’t have any issues with God giving men authority here as he did in the past. However, the term “Governing Body” just threw me off. I should try new advent to see if its in there. I can’t find it in the bible, but it could be in there I suppose? Must be a very different translation though.
The other problem I have now, is what is the point of having a “Governing Body” that allows members on its payroll to support pro death candidates publically? What good do they accomplish unless its an empty title like the Queen of England is now an empty title and she is a mere figurehead.

 

[Chris_LaRock]

The other problem I have now, is what is the point of having a “Governing Body” that allows members on its payroll to support pro death candidates publically?

I have a hard time taking the RCC seriously when they don’t publically excommunicate such persons. It was failure to eliminate people who violate RCC teachings by way of excommunication that sparked the protestant reformation. The reformers weren’t Catholic haters, but people who grew frustrated with trying to uncover scandel and have it taken care of.

I would gladly consider converting to Catholicism if all the pro-abort were excommunicated publically.

 

[Edward_Henry]

Chris and Notsmart
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I never heard a catholic use the expression Governing Body before since I have been here. I googled it to see if it had a scriptural relevance and I got tons of JW stuff instead.

It creeps me out to hear people appeal to the authority of the men they follow when formulating arguments in an exchange like this. It’s very cultic language.

A case of ***“Selective reading” ***huh? You avoid openning your hearts to all the clear answers you have received to your questions and search for the only possible quote from which you can make ‘issue’.

You are obviously not writing in this forum to search for answers but to create division, doubt and confusion. Are you expecting to have some Catholics abandon their Catholic faith because of your posts? Have you tried going door to door? If you do not like what is professed here, why don’t you write in non-Catholic forums instead? You would probably find more people who would agree with you anti-Marian and anti-authority position.

I believe I have wasted the last minute of my writing in attempting to give honest answers to someone who is not truly seeking them. I believe Our Lord seriously mentioned something about *“casting pearls.” *

Before closing, if you are trying to find exception regarding the term **“governing body” **just remember what handing over the “keys of the Kingdom” to someone, means. You are giving someone authority, jurisdiction and responsibility.

It creeps me out to hear people appeal to the authority of the men

From the beginning of time God chose *“men” *to lead his people, **Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, and later, Jesus obviously wanted Peter **to lead his flock when the charged him 3 times to feed his lambs. By the way, **Paul **also exercised authority over the churches he founded.
If the ‘faith’ or church to which both of you belong does not have any authority figures… I feel concern for you. It is actually scary. You must see a lot of disunity and division.

Next time you read a post from any of the Catholic brothers and sisters who are spending their valuable time trying to give spiritual answers to your inquiries… try to read them and not only use “selective reading” looking for ‘issues’ from with to create arguments.

It’s been… different. I pray that someday, before it is too late, you both discover that you also have a Heavenly Mother.

To Jesus through Mary

Edward Henry

 

[notsmart]

Edward Henry,
Tell me what I believe about Mary since you made that very arrogant and insulting statement to me.

 

[notsmart]

I have a hard time taking the RCC seriously when they don’t publically excommunicate such persons. It was failure to eliminate people who violate RCC teachings by way of excommunication that sparked the protestant reformation. The reformers weren’t Catholic haters, but people who grew frustrated with trying to uncover scandel and have it taken care of.

I would gladly consider converting to Catholicism if all the pro-abort were excommunicated publically.

Chris,
I really am more angry about people in paid positions in the church that do this pro death thing, to be clear. The others who don’t work for the church in some capacity, yet are members are simply the products of humanity. A fallen state. If you know what I mean? I like your sig by the way!
I do agree that the reformation was an overdue attempt to try and rectify many wrongs. It would be another thread for me to point out where that intention ended, and another began. Possibly as an unintended consequence of the tumultuous events.

Monica

 

[Edward_Henry]

Hi,
I made up my mind that I would not spend anymore of my time responding to certain posts but I will try once more

Edward Henry,
Tell me what I believe about Mary since you made that very arrogant and insulting statement to me.

How can anybody know? I few posts ago you wrote an insinuating post why read

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I personally can’t swallow the OLG tripe

I respectfully asked

Hi Notsmart,

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I personally can’t swallow the OLG tripe

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Could you be more specific? What are your objections?
Edward Henry

All I received in response was:

I had a whole thread on it. The entire thing does not add up logically.

So based on that response, how can I tell you what you believe about Our Blessed Mother? Your posts leave one guessing… and I do not want to guess.

Never meant to offend you though. It only seems frustrating that members here are writing long well intentioned responses to yours and Chris’ posts, but it seems as if you ignore their well written responses to concentrate only on quotes that you may turn into an objection. It gets tiring.
"Two men looked out from prison bars…
One saw mud…
the other one saw stars."

So, forgive me, but I will not try anymore.

May God bless you.

To Jesus through Mary

Edward Henry

 

[notsmart]

Edward Henry- you said:
It’s been… different. I pray that someday, before it is too late, **you both discover that you also have a Heavenly Mother.**To Jesus through Mary

Edward Henry



I asked you what do I believe about Mary?

I directed you to a thread you PARTICIPATED in about the tripe on OLG.

 

[Nickkname]

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Oh, I see what you mean…I think.

You mean, if an apparition says Jesus came in the flesh, than its true. But if the apparition dose not mention even once that Jesus has come in the flesh, than it’s false.

Am I right?

 

[TBolt1000T]

I have a question for experienced Catholics. Do you think that it would be disrespectful to Mary, for someone to command an apparition in Jesus’s name to reveal her true identity?

 

[Nickkname]

I have a question for experienced Catholics. Do you think that it would be disrespectful to Mary, for someone to command an apparition in Jesus’s name to reveal her true identity?

If the person is truly wanting to know if the appairition is real or not, and is not just curious or disrespect or wanting to entertain the apparition, than it would be okay. But if done out of curiositiy, a desire to entertain, or to disrespect Mary’s role as the Mother of God, than it would be wrong. Also, it’s a generally a good idea to only ask for an apparition’s name with obedience, i.e., if your Priest or Bishop has ordered you to ask the apparition its name.