Visit to the Blessed Virgin Mary

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St. Germanus, addressing the Most Blessed Virgin
Mary, says: " No one is saved but through thee ; no
one is delivered from evils but through thee; there
is no one on whom any gift is bestowed but through
thee." Therefore, my Lady and my hope, if thou dost
not help me I am lost, and shall be unable to bless thee
in heaven. But, Lady, I hear all the saints say that thou
never abandoned those who have recourse to thee. He
only is lost who has not recourse to thee. I, then, miserable
creature that I am, have recourse to thee, and in
thee place all my hopes.

Ejaculatory prayer, in the words of St. Bernard. Mary is
my whole confidence; she is the whole ground of my
hope!

St Alphonsus The Holy Eucharist Visit to the Blessed Sacrament
 
ronh4 said:
St. Germanus, addressing the Most Blessed Virgin
Mary, says: " No one is saved but through thee ; no
one is delivered from evils but through thee; there
is no one on whom any gift is bestowed but through
thee." Therefore, my Lady and my hope, if thou dost
not help me I am lost, and shall be unable to bless thee
in heaven. But, Lady, I hear all the saints say that thou
never abandoned those who have recourse to thee. He
only is lost who has not recourse to thee. I, then, miserable
creature that I am, have recourse to thee, and in
thee place all my hopes.

Ejaculatory prayer, in the words of St. Bernard. Mary is
my whole confidence; she is the whole ground of my
hope!

St Alphonsus The Holy Eucharist Visit to the Blessed Sacrament
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I didn’t think it was allowed to pray to a saint or Mary? I thought that prayer to them was asking for intersession. But this is clearly a prayer TO someone other than God. This is a bit disturbing.
 
cguerber said:
I didn’t think it was allowed to pray to a saint or Mary? I thought that prayer to them was asking for intersession. But this is clearly a prayer TO someone other than God. This is a bit disturbing.
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I’m also uncomfortable with some of the phrasing. “I, then, miserable creature that I am, have recourse to thee, and in thee place all my hopes.” “Mary is my whole confidence; she is the whole ground of my hope!” I suppose the prayer could be interpreted in an orthodox way, but it is too easily interpreted as giving to Mary what is due to God in Christ.
 
Anthony86 said:
I’m also uncomfortable with some of the phrasing. “I, then, miserable creature that I am, have recourse to thee, and in thee place all my hopes.” “Mary is my whole confidence; she is the whole ground of my hope!” I suppose the prayer could be interpreted in an orthodox way, but it is too easily interpreted as giving to Mary what is due to God in Christ.
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I agree with you.
 
I disagree with traditionalists on many points but on this one point I do agree - a non-Catholic mindset has crept into the Church in very recent times and nothing is more indicative of it than how Catholics are uncomfortable with Marian spirituality and theology.

Never before in history has Christianity questioned the role of the Mother of God in our salvation or outright rejected our need for her intercession to the extent that it is taking place now.

There are very few things more orthodox than placing oneself completely in the hands of the Mother of God. There are very few things more authentically and organically Catholic than trusting completely that Mary will obtain for us the graces needed not only to enter heaven at the end of our life but to have a peaceful life here before we die.

I am 100% convinced that the problems we see in the Church today result from a failure to trust in Our Lady’s help. The beautiful prayers in the original post have inspired me to think about renewing my consecration to Mary this Dec 8. I just might do that.

-Tim-
 
When I go to church and pray too Our Lady,I look up at her and say,O Blessed Mother,I,am here,to devoted my Love too you,please Interceded for me and take my prays too Jesus your son,so he made take them too his father who never refuses Jesus his son , when we show how much we Love his father.
 
TimothyH said:
I disagree with traditionalists on many points but on this one point I do agree - a non-Catholic mindset has crept into the Church in very recent times and nothing is more indicative of it than how Catholics are uncomfortable with Marian spirituality and theology.

Never before in history has Christianity questioned the role of the Mother of God in our salvation or outright rejected our need for her intercession to the extent that it is taking place now.

There are very few things more orthodox than placing oneself completely in the hands of the Mother of God. There are very few things more authentically and organically Catholic than trusting completely that Mary will obtain for us the graces needed not only to enter heaven at the end of our life but to have a peaceful life here before we die.

I am 100% convinced that the problems we see in the Church today result from a failure to trust in Our Lady’s help. The beautiful prayers in the original post have inspired me to think about renewing my consecration to Mary this Dec 8. I just might do that.

-Tim-
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I agree. When I first began to read and pray the Psalter of the Blessed Virgin Mary, I, too, was shocked by some of the language even though I regularly prayed the Rosary, especially when prayers addressed Mary to save us, but as I became more familiar with the teachings of the Catholic Church (and to some extent those of Eastern Orthodoxy) I realized that Mary saves us in the role she plays in bringing us to Christ. That doesn’t mean she could accomplish what Christ did by his life, death, and resurrection. Even Mother Mary’s redemption depends on Jesus. But we are all saved together in the church. Without the “yes” of the Mother of God, there could not have been an Incarnation. Even had Mary objected, some woman must have been found who would give this free assent.

Prayers putting all our hope in Mary and asking her to save us should be interpreted in the proper relation to Christ that is always emphasized in Marian theology. Now it makes perfect sense to beg the Mother of God to save me and to put all my trust in her: she will only lead me to the Son. To try to wrestle these traditional prayers out of their theological context into some type of idolatry, giving the worship due to God alone to the Blessed Virgin, is nothing but to ignore the teachings of the Church and the whole point of Marian theology. Protestant objections based on this accusation are re-defining Marian theology, making it out to say something that is its complete opposite.
 
Merrick said:
I agree. When I first began to read and pray the Psalter of the Blessed Virgin Mary, I, too, was shocked by some of the language even though I regularly prayed the Rosary, especially when prayers addressed Mary to save us, but as I became more familiar with the teachings of the Catholic Church (and to some extent those of Eastern Orthodoxy) I realized that Mary saves us in the role she plays in bringing us to Christ. That doesn’t mean she could accomplish what Christ did by his life, death, and resurrection. Even Mother Mary’s redemption depends on Jesus. But we are all saved together in the church. Without the “yes” of the Mother of God, there could not have been an Incarnation. Even had Mary objected, some woman must have been found who would give this free assent.

Prayers putting all our hope in Mary and asking her to save us should be interpreted in the proper relation to Christ that is always emphasized in Marian theology. Now it makes perfect sense to beg the Mother of God to save me and to put all my trust in her: she will only lead me to the Son. To try to wrestle these traditional prayers out of their theological context into some type of idolatry, giving the worship due to God alone to the Blessed Virgin, is nothing but to ignore the teachings of the Church and the whole point of Marian theology. Protestant objections based on this accusation are re-defining Marian theology, making it out to say something that is its complete opposite.
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Unfortunately, not only mainstream Catholics but even some of the most zealous traditionalists have fallen into this trap, shying away from one of the core beliefs of our faith, a belief which has stood for centuries, firmly rooted in Sacred Tradition.

What I have learned from Eastern Catholicism has helped me as well.

If the world united under the authority of the Pope, placed itself under the patronage of Mary, and came together around the celebration of the Eucharist, no one would be able to touch us. Catholicism would be like a blow torch and Jesus would be the fuel.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
I disagree with traditionalists on many points but on this one point I do agree - a non-Catholic mindset has crept into the Church in very recent times and nothing is more indicative of it than how Catholics are uncomfortable with Marian spirituality and theology.

Never before in history has Christianity questioned the role of the Mother of God in our salvation or outright rejected our need for her intercession to the extent that it is taking place now.

There are very few things more orthodox than placing oneself completely in the hands of the Mother of God. There are very few things more authentically and organically Catholic than trusting completely that Mary will obtain for us the graces needed not only to enter heaven at the end of our life but to have a peaceful life here before we die.

I am 100% convinced that the problems we see in the Church today result from a failure to trust in Our Lady’s help. The beautiful prayers in the original post have inspired me to think about renewing my consecration to Mary this Dec 8. I just might do that.

-Tim-
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They should read what the Early Church Fathers wrote about Mary! A good book for them to read is Mary and the Fathers of the Church: The Blessed Virgin Mary in Patristic Thought by Fr. Luigi S. M. Gambero and then read Mary In The Middle Ages: The Blessed Virgin Mary In The Thought Of Medieval Latin Theologians by the same author. And then they should read Mary, God’s Yes to Man: Pope John Paul II Encyclical Letter, Mother of the Redeemer (Redemptoris Mater). And hopefully, maybe then the’ll have a different perspective on the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Have no fear of loving the Blessed Virgin too much, you will never love her enough, and Jesus will be pleased since the Blessed Virgin is His Mother. ~St Therese of the Child Jesus, Doctor of the Church~
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Peace, Mark
 
TimothyH said:
Unfortunately, not only mainstream Catholics but even some of the most zealous traditionalists have fallen into this trap, shying away from one of the core beliefs of our faith, a belief which has stood for centuries, firmly rooted in Sacred Tradition.

What I have learned from Eastern Catholicism has helped me as well.

If the world united under the authority of the Pope, placed itself under the patronage of Mary, and came together around the celebration of the Eucharist, no one would be able to touch us. Catholicism would be like a blow torch and Jesus would be the fuel.

-Tim-
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Are you trying too say that we should,t pray to Mary too interceded for us,to her son Jesus,for our intentions,I will always ask Mary,Jesus Mother too interceded,because she continues too pray for us sinners,Mary is the one that will bring us to her son,the day we leave this world,Jesus is very pleased,when we pray too his mother,and too turn away from Mary,would break Our Lords Heart,for he Love his Mother with all his Heart. I will defended Mary with all my Heart,for she has never failed to help me when I call upon her Holy Name. O Mary, Conceived without sin,Pray for us who have recourse too Thee.
 
Personally, I have not heard any Catholic’s disrespect Mary’s role in salvation history, nor have I heard anyone say that we should not ask for the intercession of Mary or other saints. I have only seen objections to forced or excessive devotion or optional devotions being made mandatory.

Again personally, I pray with Mary and other saints and feel that their intercession amplifies my prayers to Christ… It’s as if my prayers are my song and their assistance is a powerful choir harmonizing with my tune.

I’m posting a link to a beautiful homily by the Holy Father…clearly we can pray to directly to Jesus and he will take our problems to the Father. I hope no one ever feels that they can’t go to Jesus…

…We must think about this – concluded the Pope – and we must thank the Lord. We must thank him for giving us a brother who prays for us and intercedes for us. And speaking to Jesus we must say: “Lord, you have saved me. And now pray for me”. “It is to him we must entrust our problems, our life and many other things so that He may take them to the Father”.

en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/10/28/pope_francis:_jesus_continues_to_pray_and_intercede_for_us/en1-741365
 
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