Visitation from cohabitating nephew and his girlfriend

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For what it’s worth, I married a non-practicing catholic who reverted after 10 years of marriage and 13 years of being a couple. We also lived together before we married. His reversion was difficult for me as I worried how it would change our dynamic and I even secretly worried it would destroy our marriage. By the grace of God, I decided to be supportive of my husband and went to a Mass to hear him sing in the choir. I felt called to convert, so here I am.

That said, I agree with Rence. You cohabitated and had premarital sex. You married a non-catholic when you were not practicing. You then reverted and changed the rules. Your husband seems to have accepted things with a tolerant and loving attitude. Now it’s your turn to be tolerant and loving.

You made your religious objections known and did your duty as a catholic. Now consider welcoming the nephew and his wife to your home and simply enjoying their visit.
 
You just missed it is all:
Well, no I didn’t miss it. It was just that my suggestion didn’t require the couple to sleep in separate beds, or for the husband to ask his nephew to sleep on the couch. Prepare separate bedrooms is all I said. What actually happens after that is out of her control.

I am sure that nobody here seriously expects a couple to refrain from sleeping together while under their roof. The only thing I see is that is people don’t want to give any approval of the living arrangement. It is similar when I visit Pentecostal family. They don’t seriously expect me not to drink, but they do want me to be discreet and not contradict their beliefs while I visit.
 
Whatever his faith or lack of faith, he came with it to the marriage, and so did she. She knew this and so did he. What he didn’t count on was her changing the rules after years, and he shouldn’t have to.

Of course a spouse should rank higher in your life than anyone else, but that doesn’t mean your spouse can dictate your every move, right down to the circumstances of how your relatives are “allowed” to visit your own home.
It is HE who is dictating. She is only saying that such would be contrary to her Faith and thus her Conscience - He ought not impose his views on her here.

He took her as his wife -and must respect her now more informed conscience.
 
Her re-connection to Catholicism is new to the marriage and changed the dynamics between them. Right or wrong, she’s the one who turned everything upside down, not him. .
No – it is Jesus who turned things upside down.

One can see why Jesus said – a house will be divided.

Such is to be expected.

Now of course as I noted there may be only so much that is possible for her to do - but what she is not to do (or approve etc) is anything contrary to her Christian Faith - even if others act in ways not compatible with her new life.
 
I am sure that nobody here seriously expects a couple to refrain from sleeping together while under their roof. The only thing I see is that is people don’t want to give any approval of the living arrangement. .
Yes I do.

For an unmarried couple is not going to sleep together under my roof. Period. If I permitted such -such would be giving the approval of such. Tis my house.
 
When someone encounters Jesus of Nazareth and their life changes*
~it is* Jesus* who changes things.

It is He who reorders everything.

Which can yes meet with some conflict among ones family or friends.

One can see why Jesus said – a house will be divided. **

Such is to be expected.

Now of course in this particular case - yes do what is good that is good for the marriage and family -but only what is good. And avoid doing anything contrary to the good. And as I noted there may be only so much that is possible for her to do (she will have to judge- perhaps with some advice from her Pastor) - but what she is not to do (or approve etc) is anything contrary to her Christian Faith - even if others act in ways not compatible with her new life.

Doing anything she does (that is good) - with truth, love and gentleness.

(indeed a renewal of the mind takes place …a new way of thinking that they must conform their lives with vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20090628_chius-anno-paolino_en.html)

(** Luke 12:49-53, Matthew 10:34 -39)
 
I just want to pipe up being how this is my thread. Everyone has given me a lot to think about.

Hoosier Daddy: I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions that you have about my husbands culture. Yes, in rural Nepali villages Cohabitation is still deeply frowned upon. However, in the larger City of Kathmandu. From what I’ve noticed of having Nepali friends, over the years is that they are becoming more Americanized, especially among the Nepali Youth. Many idolize America and are adopting more American ideals and lifestyles. No Cohabitation is not as deeply frowned upon…and no people are not “shamed” for living together. In my husbands family, the living arrangements between my nephew and his girlfriend are accepted. They are not shamed for their cohabitation…In fact my husbands family views them as being “nearly married.” Which has put me in a hard position trying to explain to my husband why their living arrangement is wrong, their living arrangement is accepted by everyone but me. In my husband’s family the girlfriend of my nephew is referred with love and affection as “Buari”… It’s an affectionate title for a married woman which loosely translates to “son’s wife”
Then why are they not married? Perhaps you could refer to her as the wife too. Since everyone else is doing it.🤷

Notice that I did say that in Kathmandu and nepal cohabitation IS becoming more accepted. As this article states.xnepali.net/movies/living-together-without-marriage-new-trend-in-nepali-society/ But it is still FAR less than if the nephew was from California, Chicago, London etc. It still very much a part fo the culture. Sadly these are the things some people choose to borrow from America.🤷 Interested to know if this was a gay situation if your husband would feel differently. You should ask him. (if you are allowed to)😉
 
He won’t be aware of the situation then.
As a mom of a 4 year old (and 3 former 4 year olds in the last 5 years) I can tell you a 4 year old can very well be aware of the situation. No way would I accept the situation around my 4 year old. If it ends up happening, I would at least have the 4 year old sleep in the parents room to limit exposure (and avoid addressing them as boyfriend/girlfriend).
I agree that truth and love must go together. I believe that the OP satisfied this by her communication with her husband. But the OP is not in the position to advise her husband’s family of her thoughts on their living arrangements unless asked. She really has no business imposing her religious beliefs on them, anymore than any person of another religious affiliation has the business to impose their religious beliefs on her.
Deciding the sleeping arrangements for guests in your home is not the same thing as imposing beliefs! The owners of the home have that right (and obligation). If they think their guests have other expectations they should let them know beforehand (in a kind and loving, tactful manner), but they are under no obligation of allowing immoral behavior in their home.
I know in this case each of the homeowners have a different opinion, and that is a tough situation, Millie has my sympathy, but it is very appropriate for the hosts to have a say in what is ok or not in their home. In my home I would never allow it. I know the issue here is that the OP’s husband disagrees on this one topic and so it isn’t just finding a way to tell the guests that they would have to sleep apart, it is agreeing on whether it would be necessary or not.
Also, it is not hypocritical to act coherent with the Truth once you have found it, even if before you found it you made different choices.
 
(if you are allowed to)😉
Hoosier daddy what is the purpose of this last sentence here? Dress it up with whatever smiley face you want and it is still an insult. To both myself and my husband. Yes I’m “allowed” to talk to my husband. As for why I don’t call this couple married I have 2 reasons. 1. They are not married. And 2. I don’t speak nepalese.
 
Sometimes when I read threads like this I wonder if some people honestly don’t understand that different cultures really do view things such as family visits to be almost sacred, particularly when the visitors are coming from another country and the relative is someone rarely seen. I will not pretend to know anything about the culture in Nepal. I have never been there, I know no one from there, but my husband has some good friends from Nepal that he met while deployed. These were fellow truck drivers in Iraq and he met them on and off for four deployments (between 2003-2011). I am assuming the men he met are representative of many people in their country. They were so hospitable to my husband and often fed him from their plate and discussed the Bible (my husband) and Koran (them) as they sat at night to eat in the cab of their trucks. They all agreed that if my husband ever is able to visit Nepal, the door to their homes are open to us–no questions asked, no notice necessary, no limit on number of people or length of visit. I realize to most Americans that concept is foreign to us, but there are many cultures that this is the way things are. To not be a good host/hostess, especially to your inlaws, is worse than rude. It is closer to what an American would feel if someone spit in our faces. It is shaming behavior. I understand this because in rural Mexico it is quite similar. My husband’s family would be humiliated if we did not visit and stay in their homes each time we go to whatever area that particular relative lives in. There is no need to call ahead and make arrangements–the door is open to us always. We can and have arrived at one of his Aunt’s houses unannounced and the reception was so joyous. He had not seen this aunt in 10 years, our kids and I had never met her. No one saw it as odd for us to just show up (well, I did), as a matter of fact, it was not unusual at all I soon found out. Two if his cousins arrived a few days later just as we had. Family and hospitality mean that much in some cultures.

I could not imagine not allowing my husband’s family from out of country to stay in our home, even if they just showed up on our doorstep unannounced. It would only humiliate my husband and cause resentment between us. When a spouse has such strong feelings and cultural obligations, that needs to be respected. This is an argument that cannot be won without severely damaging the relationship between the spouses.

Also, her son is only 4. He is not going to know anything at all at this point, but he could greatly benefit from a loving marriage between his parents and the brief and infrequent visits from his father’s relatives. Children need to know family if at all possible. I couldn’t imagine robbing my kids of a rare chance to be with my husband’s family simply because they are not perfect Catholics–especially if they aren’t even Catholic at all! The more I think about it, I don’t think my answer would change like I originally said in my other post regardless of the child(ren)'s age(s). Kids are much smarter than we give them credit for. I have explained to my kids many times that yes, what a beloved relative is doing is wrong and no, we do not approve of such behavior, we still love them. So far none of my kids have turned out poorly and none are living the sinful lifestyles of their relatives. And yes, I have two kids old enough that they are on their own now doing great. It isn’t as if the OP is likely to have to deal with these visits frequently so she should just enjoy the rare opportunity of getting to know some of her husband’s family, and helping her son get to know and love his cousin.
 
As to strife within the marriage if she dare put her foot down on a moral issue, I can only point out that **the imposition on the marriage here is coming from the HUSBAND **who is insisting on introducing the wife not only to sin but to sin despite protest. **It is the husband who is causing family, moral and marital strife because he is not man enough or strong **enough to defend his wife over the nephew.
No matter the relative if my wife made clear her uncomfortableness with a relative visiting, especially one that is not really close, I would take the side of my wife every time. The nephew need never know about it. But if the husband does not share his wife’s values or have enough respect for her or her faith to see that this is important enough to her that she is posting on a website for help and advice. Then I think it is quite acceptable and maybe even called for, for her to stand up in her home for her faith. And against sin.

The marital strife is already there. If you think the husband is so blind that he would escalate that and it would further damage the marriage, then I would submit that it is already damaged.
Whoah, you are way out of line here insulting the OP and her husband. Please remember that a real human being is reading your posts.
You should ask him. (if you are allowed to)😉
:eek: No need to be rude. The OP came here asking for advice, not for people to sling mud at her husband.
Sometimes when I read threads like this I wonder if some people honestly don’t understand that different cultures really do view things such as family visits to be almost sacred, particularly when the visitors are coming from another country and the relative is someone rarely seen…
I think some people honestly don’t. They think everybody thinks like them but just does it another language.
 
Hoosier daddy what is the purpose of this last sentence here? Dress it up with whatever smiley face you want and it is still an insult. To both myself and my husband. Yes I’m “allowed” to talk to my husband. As for why I don’t call this couple married I have 2 reasons. 1. They are not married. And 2. I don’t speak nepalese.
I apologize for the comment, it was in jest.
You did say that others called her the nepalese term for wife. I did not know that you would not be able to communicate at all with the couple. Honestly, it sounds like you will probably be doing your own thing anyway because of the language barrier.

All that being said, And I know that you defended your husband. I would NEVER impose something like this against my wife’s wishes. I would always choose her and her values over possibly offending a sinning nephew I never even see. Always. But that is just the kind of husband I am and I expect others to be. It may be none of us understand the cultural issues here on why he would not have the same reaction a good Catholic husband would have.
 
All that being said, And I know that you defended your husband. I would NEVER impose something like this against my wife’s wishes. I would always choose her and her values over possibly offending a sinning nephew I never even see. Always. But that is just the kind of husband I am and I expect others to be. It may be none of us understand the cultural issues here on why he would not have the same reaction a good Catholic husband would have.
This is the whole point, the husband nor his family is Catholic so the sinning aspect is non existent to them in regards to the nephews behavior. Its not about imposing something against the wife’s wishes, it does not exist to them, it is outside of their scope; as some of their religious and cultural norms and beliefs would be to us. You (specific you AND general you) cannot expect every spouse to be like yourself. According to the OP’s comments she has a good husband whose stances have been developed by his cultural norms which happen to be vastly different from ours based on religious and cultural differences. I don’t find that difficult to understand.

As to the visit itself, I pray it goes smoothly and without stress for all involved. I think this may be one the OP has to compromise on, not as a compromise of her faith of course but because her child isn’t old enough to particularly understand the dynamics of the visit and the marriage status of the nephew and girlfriend and because in the husbands mind this comes down to hospitality and how you treat a guest. Clearly visits from the husbands family are exceedingly rare so this isn’t something that needs to negatively shape the lives of the OP and her husband.
 
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