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BrianH:
I do not like a “gripe about how others worship” thread.
Of course a Catholic mass is radically different then what I grew up with and vice versa. Of course it would feel radically different and not seem like real worship.
Attitude makes the difference. No matter where you are on any given Sunday, turn to the Lord in prayer and ask that you display the love of Christ.
BH
I dont think this is a gripe thread. I have been a Catholic my whole life and have never attented a different type of service. Now having done so I am making some of my own observations. I have no quarrel with the people in the service, many of them are my friends but I can share my thoughts on how I felt … and I can share these in a thread.

I did not think anyone who has posted has griped. If so then just skip their posts.

I have often wondered what other people did at their Sunday services and I finally got to see what goes on.
 
I have church hopped my entire life. Been to all kinds of services, some in beautiful old churches, some in school auditoriums, some in peoples’ homes, you name it, I’ve tried it. But the one thing they all had in common, I could feel moved by certain things, maybe music, maybe a good sermon, maybe a good prayer meeting environment, but I always came away feeling that I was missing something extremely important and I couldn’t figure out why. I thought there was something wrong with me.

Now that I am joining the Catholic Church, I understand completely, and I know without a doubt that it wasn’t me, it was them, and the lack of the Eucharist in my life, which I wasn’t being given in any of those places. I was being starved spiritually, and didn’t understand that, I felt it, but didn’t understand it. I always thought that an emotionally riveting service was my spiritual food, it would get me through until the next emotional encounter next week, that’s why I was so empty all the time. Like I’ve said before, it’s like trying to live on appetizers, and never getting to a real meal.

Thank you Lord, your Mercy is beautiful. I can’t wait for my first Eucharist on Holy Saturday. I feel very, very blessed!
 
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ncgolf:
My son is a member of a Boy Scout troop sponsored by a Methodist Church. We supported the troop and attended a Scout Sunday service. I have never been to a non-Catholic service in my life and was a little unsure of what exactly was going to happen.

All I can say is what a disappointment. There was singing, one reading of Scripture Michah 6:6-8. More singing a 15 minute homily type talk a little more singing and it was over. I was left feeling that is this it … my son commented on how different he felt … like not much happened. He said, “I think we do a lot more prayers.” There was no comparison with this service to what the Mass is.
I had the identical experience as you did when I was a visitor at a baptist service (some of my in-laws are baptist). I felt an emptiness when I first walked in to their church (I’m convinced that I felt the absence of the Blessed Sacrament). The emphasis was very tilted toward fellowship instead of worship.
 
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Eden:
I went to a service of a Nazarene breakaway church that had just formed and was meeting at a school auditorium. This group had just broken away from the nearby Nazarene church over disagreements with the minister there. I did not feel like God was present at this service. There were about 20 people scattered around in auditorium seats and a man (the newly-appointed minister) in street clothes sat on the edge of the stage and spoke into a microphone about himself and about what Jesus meant to him. Then he cried softly a little as he recalled his long journey of faith and then asked his oldest son to sing some religious songs as he dabbed his eyes with a tissue. He mentioned some things about the Bible but it was mostly about the way he was encountering Jesus in his own life; giving advice for others. Afterward, there was coffee and cookies in the lobby and everyone went home.

I also went a second many months later when the breakaway church had become more established and was recruiting members. This church did not have services on Christmas (I think that would have inconvenienced their family Christmas celebrations :ehh: ) so I was invited to attend the service that was held on the Saturday closest to the day. We all sat at card tables decorated for Christmas, listened to the minister talk about Jesus and the symobolism of the candy cane and heard a handful of children singing Christmas carols. Then a man came in dressed as Santa and handed out candy canes.

The shallowness of what I experienced in these services actually left me feeling more distant from God and very empty. Just in my defense for having gone at all, I was trying to be polite with an in-laws situation very early in my marriage.
The reason that so many Evangelical churches are breaking apart is because of intense spititual attacks against them by Satan. In any mainstream protestant church only about five percent of its members would be born-again Christians.That is in spite of not hearing it in church. The odds are they got saved listening to a TV program or the radio. Mainline protestant churches in affect are dead bones. However, the breaking apart of protestant churches is not always a bad thing. If a born-again preacher was made pastor of any average size spritually dead protestant church a number of things usually happen. If the pastor preached a salvation message to one hundred of the congregation… ninety of his congregation will be enraged and either call for the pastor to resign or they will leave and go to another dead church where the pastor will not bother their conscious.

I have said this before. Satan has no need to break up the Catholic church. Sometimes he likes to see some pesecution against it to make it appear as if it is the right church. After all Christians are supposed to be persecuted. I have not been a Christian for very long. I recently have started to read my Bible. So far what I read is condradictory to what I have been reading on this forum. I only know when Paul says to follow tradition he is talking about what is written in the New Testament. That is why he went around to the various churches. I do not understand why you feel the need to add to the word when it is sufficient to get you to heaven.Please take your blinders off. Even if someone doesn’t understand every word in the Bible the Salvation message is more than clear. By grace through faith we are saved.
 
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Alfie:
Satan has no need to break up the Catholic church.
Correction. Satan would like to dismantle the Catholic Church, but he cannot. We were promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. 🙂
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Alfie:
I only know when Paul says to follow tradition he is talking about what is written in the New Testament.
:ehh:
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Alfie:
By grace through faith we are saved.
Bingo! That’s what the Catholic Church teaches! :clapping:
 
It seems to me that I have a unique background compared to others.
I haven’t really ever gone to worship services at other churches. I wasn’t raised Catholic sacramentally, but my father’s family are all Catholic, so I was exposed to it. But a couple years after my husband and I were married we went through RCIA together. I never considered any other church.
I notice some people here complained about the “lack of music” at mass verses other worship services. The Catholic mass isn;t just another worship service. It’s the Mass! Something special is taking place, and those who come are a part of it. I really love music, and there are several Christian bands that I listen to all the time that I feel really express my love for God, and his love for me.
So I am spending all of my life worshipping God in one form or another, but when I go to mass I am partaking in something. The mass is the time when Heaven meets Earth. It blows me away when I ponder what has happened. Jesus loves us so much that it’s not enough to wait for us to die before we are joined to him. In those moments, brief as they are, he comes to us, in our humanness, in a way that we can handle. Right after I recieve the Eucharist, when I go back to my pew, I hold my little four year old very close against my chest and whisper to her that she is so close to Jesus right now. And tell him we love him.
I would never mean to put down other people’s worship services, but maybe if other’s really, truly thought about what is happening at a Catholic Mass, then maybe they would see that it is the Eucharist- and not passionate homilies or lots of music that brings us there and energizes us.
_Tamara
 
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Alfie:
I only know when Paul says to follow tradition he is talking about what is written in the New Testament. That is why he went around to the various churches. I do not understand why you feel the need to add to the word when it is sufficient to get you to heaven.
This is off the thread topic, but Paul was NOT talking about what was written in the New Testament. Then why even bother with the Old Testament? And then you might as well forget about Revelation and the other letters that were written after this particular letter where Paul said this. The books that make up New Testament that all of us Christians recognize wasn’t even done being written, not to mention put together and canonized.
-Tamara
 
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Alfie:
However, the breaking apart of protestant churches is not always a bad thing.
Alfie-

Since the Bible is suffiencient for your doctrinal belief system, when we turn to the Scriptures for answers, the Scriptures I find contradict your assumption. The emphasis is always about oneness, unity, non-divisiveness among the believers. Disunity is always condemned by the Apostles, and even Christ himself.

Jn 10:16
There will be one fold and *one * shepherd

Eph 4:3-6
one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father

Rom 16:17
I urge that there be *no divisions * among you

1Cor 1:10
I urge that there be no divisions among you

Phil 1:2
be of same mind, united in heart thinking one thing

Rom 15:5
God grant you to think in harmony with one another

Jn 17:17-23
I pray that they may be one, as we are one

that they may be brought to perfection as* one*

1Cor 12:13
in one spirit we are baptized into one body

Rom 12:5
we, though many, are *one body * in Christ

Eph 4:4
one body, one Spirit, called to be one hope

Col 3:15
the peace into which you were called in one body

This old argument of the Fundamentalist/Evangelical/Protestant doesn’t hold water with Scripture, which is ironic since they claim to be the true Bible Christians, living out the original New Testament Christianity. It is an ongoing excuse to continue to fight and quarrel amongst each other without guilt of conscience or need for repentance and forgiveness. I’ve been in churches going through this stuff all my life, it is a disgrace to the Body of Christ, and more importantly, a scandal to the witness of Christians to an unbelieving world. 😦

Jh 17:21
that they may all be one even as Thou Father art in Me and I in Thee, that they also may be in Us** that the world may believe * that Thou didst send Me.*

And we wonder why the world doesn’t believe that Christianity is real, that we have anything to offer. The world will not believe until we are one. These are Christ’s words.
 
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Alfie:
However, the breaking apart of protestant churches is not always a bad thing.
The words “demon”, “diabolical”, and “demonic”, all originate from the Greek term daio, which means to divide, separate, or break away from. It is the direct opposite of unity. Why do you think JPII spoke so much about the need for unity?

More denominations the merrier. Merrier for who?
Think about it. :hmmm:
 
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IanS:
The words “demon”, “diabolical”, and “demonic”, all originate from the Greek term daio, which means to divide, separate, or break away from. It is the direct opposite of unity. Why do you think JPII spoke so much about the need for unity?

More denominations the merrier. Merrier for who?
Think about it. :hmmm:
How did you get “diabolical” in there? " “Diabolus” is from “diaballein”, to slander or calumniate, from “dia”, across and “ballein”, to throw. Hence the Devil as liar or the Adversary.

And remember, New Advent does say “apparently derived” with regard to “daios”. Could be so, for all I know, of course.

GKC
 
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GKC:
How did you get “diabolical” in there? " “Diabolus” is from “diaballein”, to slander or calumniate, from “dia”, across and “ballein”, to throw. Hence the Devil as liar or the Adversary.

And remember, New Advent does say “apparently derived” with regard to “daios”. Could be so, for all I know, of course.

GKC
Why do I feel this sense of deja vu? 😉

Daio “to divide” or “apportion”, originally meant a divine being; it was occasionally applied to the higher gods and goddesses, but was more generally used to denote spiritual beings of a lower order coming between gods and men. It is now practically restricted to the evil spirits.
 
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IanS:
Why do I feel this sense of deja vu? 😉
Yep. Me too. But I note you got “denomination” out of the list.
Daio “to divide” or “apportion”, originally meant a divine being; it was occasionally applied to the higher gods and goddesses, but was more generally used to denote spiritual beings of a lower order coming between gods and men. It is now practically restricted to the evil spirits.
Understood. I’ve read the same sources. But “diabolos” is a different breed of cat.

In haste,

GKC
 
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Alfie:
The reason that so many Evangelical churches are breaking apart is because of intense spititual attacks against them by Satan.
And one could argue just as easily that the reason for corruption and lukewarmness in Catholicism is that Satan is attacking it. This explanation can account for difficulties with any form of Christianity you’ve already decided to embrace. Which is to say that it is pretty much useless.

I think Satan attacks both Catholicism and evangelicalism–and mainline Protestantism too, for that matter. Satan doesn’t like Jesus to be proclaimed, period. But Satan uses the particular weakness of different Christian groups in his attacks. Against Catholics he exploits their hierarchical structure and their focus on externals (a focus, I should add, which I think is generally appropriate given that we worship an Incarnate God). Against Protestants he exploits their tendency toward individualism and their focus on internal aspects of the faith (which often leads to a subjective piety consisting in ideas and feelings, as if God had never taken on flesh).

Both Catholics and Protestants need to question the ways in which we are all giving Satan ground that he doesn’t need to have. Catholics need to question why it is that they have so many laypeople who rest content with a largely nominal faith, and why it is that their leaders so often seem to lack accountability.

But Protestants need to ask just as seriously why it is that we seem incapable of maintaining unity. Your explanation is a dishonest copout that ignores the clear mandate for unity in Scripture. You are providing an excuse for self-righteousness and arrogance under the cover of piety. You are treading on very dangerous ground spiritually. It is precisely when we think we are superior to others that we are most vulnerable to the attacks of Satan.
In any mainstream protestant church only about five percent of its members would be born-again Christians.
Are you claiming a special gift of prophecy? If you are not, or if you are claiming it erroneously and presumptuously, you are commiting very serious sin. God knows the heart. You don’t. You are not God, and you need to get that into your head quite quickly for the sake of your own soul. For all you know, many of these “mainliners” you look down on may enter heaven, while your arrogance may shut you up in prison with the angels who thought like you do. (Or it may not. You may be saying this in purity of heart because you have been taught to think in this way and have never realized how evil such an attitude is. Well, now I’m calling it to your attention. Examine yourself. How can you follow Jesus Christ and judge your fellow-Christians so harshly and presumptuously?)
That is in spite of not hearing it in church. The odds are they got saved listening to a TV program or the radio.
Tomorrow morning I am going to go to my “mainline” Episcopal Church and have ashes put on my forehead. I am going to be reminded that I am mortal and will one day return to dust, and that in the meantime I need to repent of my sins and return to the God who loves to show mercy to sinners. Then in the evening I am going to go to my other “mainline” church (United Methodist) and hear the same message.
Mainline protestant churches in affect are dead bones.
But God loves to make dead bones alive. And He has an awkward habit of striking with blindness those who say “I see.”
However, the breaking apart of protestant churches is not always a bad thing.
The breaking apart of any Christian church is always a bad thing. God may bring good out of it, as He can out of any evil. But in itself it is horribly evil. If you think otherwise, don’t argue with me, argue with St. Paul. Argue with Jesus, who prayed that we would all be one.

Edwin
 
I dont think this is a gripe thread. …
I did not think anyone who has posted has griped.
We will have to agree to disagree then.

“*All I can say is what a disappointment.”

“like not much happened.”

"There was no comparison with this service to what the Mass is. "

“Pentecostal ones were, in the end, downright silly.”

“The shallowness of what I experienced in these services actually left me feeling more distant from God and very empty.”

“I get bored with all the singing.”

“I was not impressed.”*
 
I have visisted with our local ( one of the local) Methodist churches here for various services in honor of black community leaders, military and some other meetings.

They have a real difference between what some call “high church” and “low church” in the local church here they have a processional, alter boys and the such. The sermon lasts at least 30 min and sometimes up to a hour.

The do the majority of the creeds and the such. ( of course I can not do communion with them but they don’t normally have communion during these types of meetings)

Communion is done twice a month at this church, always commom cup and while they use the simular"words" it is not done any the same manner as ours and of course is not considerred valid. And you are not to take communion with them even though they would offer it. ( they have open communino)

And actually in the old teachings of the Methodist church they also have saints but most of the people in the church today have long forgotten that practice.

But yes, there is a big difference in the solemn nature and feeling of the closeness of God.
 
There is such a wide difference in different protestant churches. I can count on one hand the nonCatholic services I’ve been to–mostly weddings.

But, one thing that bothered me about my SIL nondenominational church was the emphasis on performance/entertainment. There is a sophisticated lighting, camera, special effects booth. They have theatrical performances at most services. I was surprised when I was told that I was in the sanctuary. It was a big auditorium type room with a large stage opposite the sound booth. There were chairs instead of pews.

However, it must be effective because they have a huge, growing congregration. They get a lot of money. And, they have seven fulltime ministers!! Many, many programs. I’m also told there is a goodly percentage of former Catholics there 😦

My inlaws don’t really care for the Catholic Mass (baptisms and first communions). I can see that there is a real cultural difference. I initially had the same reaction in the first Tridentine Mass I attended. (Now, I love it).

It will be a glorious day when we worship God together on the day of the Lord’s return. Then we will all be gathered around the Wedding feast. 🙂
 
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Contarini:
Both Catholics and Protestants need to question the ways in which we are all giving Satan ground that he doesn’t need to have. Catholics need to question why it is that they have so many laypeople who rest content with a largely nominal faith, and why it is that their leaders so often seem to lack accountability.

But Protestants need to ask just as seriously why it is that we seem incapable of maintaining unity. Your explanation is a dishonest copout that ignores the clear mandate for unity in Scripture. You are providing an excuse for self-righteousness and arrogance under the cover of piety. You are treading on very dangerous ground spiritually. It is precisely when we think we are superior to others that we are most vulnerable to the attacks of Satan.
You know Edwin, whenever I read most of your posts, the only reply I seem to be able to offer is:
:amen:
 
I have never been to a Methodist service, but my brother in law is a Nazarene minister in Indiana. I have been to his church a few times, and afterward, I am always glad to be Catholic. But on the other hand, I find the Nazarene people more friendly to strangers, and seem to be more on fire for Jesus than a lot of Catholics. I think we could take some lessons from them in enthusiasim.
 
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davy39:
I think we could take some lessons from them in enthusiasim.
As long as it doesn’t lead to happy-clappy-crappy liturgies, I agree. We need a lot more zeal.
 
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JSmitty2005:
As long as it doesn’t lead to happy-clappy-crappy liturgies, I agree. We need a lot more zeal.
I like zeal, but I also like contemplation. For me, I look forward to getting to Mass early to pray in the quietness with the candle burning next to the tabernacle. And, the unified focus on the Eucharist during the Liturgy of the Eucharist. This is why I don’t really respond to a pep-rally style of worship.

I have attended other denominations, such as Apostolic Pentocostal. This church forbids women to cut their hair short or to wear trousers/pants. I went to a high school friend’s wedding. This denomination has a standard “speaking in tongues” period during every service, even a wedding. I’m not sure if the pastor told them to speak in tongues, or what the cue was, but at one point everyone (except me!) lifted their hands and started mumbling and muttering unintelligible words and sounds. My confusion was that I had thought speaking in tongues was a gift by the Holy Spirit so that people of all nations could hear the gospel in their own native tongue. I did ask my friend about the speaking in tongues part and she said it was each person’s own private language with God.

I also went one time to a Messianic Jewish Church. There was about 1 hour of singing music that had a Jewish sound, and some people got up to do liturgical dancing. After that hour was an hour long (it seemed) sermon. And, that was that.

Another service I attended was at another friend’s church. Her husband was a pastor at a Missionary Alliance church. It wasn’t that different from the Messianic Jewish Church, except for the dancing. Alot of singing, and then a sermon.

I think for me something is missing without the Eucharist. I wouldn’t mind attending a weekday prayer service with singing and bible study, but my life would be empty without knowledge, belief, and participation in the Eucharist.
 
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