Visiting at Parish; Prays "Old" OF

[El_PAso]

Hi,

I am on the road and have been visiting a local parish for a few weeks. I noticed and finally confirmed by really paying attention that they pray many parts of the Liturgy “old form”; not the changes from ~2010.

For instance:

“When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, Lord Jesus, until you come in glory”. instead of “until you come again”.

The Gloria is the pre ~2010 version as well. A few others as well. the also do a different penitential right I had not heard.

100% Roman Catholic Church in the Bishops graces.

I have been to a lot of parishes recently, past 4 years especially and have not encountered this before.

Is the “old form” still allowed or did they not get the memo?

Not making a big deal about this but more curious.

Thanks
EP

 

[ProVobis]

If you’re referring to the English Mass before 2011, the old form is not allowed.

 

[InThePew]

Either they didn’t get the memo or simply chose not to read it. There are a few “pockets of resistance” still lurking - some people just really don’t like change.

 

[pianistclare]

Hi,

I am on the road and have been visiting a local parish for a few weeks. I noticed and finally confirmed by really paying attention that they pray many parts of the Liturgy “old form”; not the changes from ~2010.

For instance:

“When we eat this bread and drink this cup, we proclaim your death, Lord Jesus, until you come in glory”. instead of “until you come again”.

The Gloria is the pre ~2010 version as well. A few others as well. the also do a different penitential right I had not heard.

100% Roman Catholic Church in the Bishops graces.

I have been to a lot of parishes recently, past 4 years especially and have not encountered this before.

Is the “old form” still allowed or did they not get the memo?

Not making a big deal about this but more curious.

Thanks
EP

The parts you mention are typically sung.
If they don’t have paid Music Director nobody has purchased any of the new or revised settings and bothered to teach it to the people in the pews. Perhaps this parish feels it can’t afford these new settings, but that’s really not a problem. As long as the music leaders and cantors can sing, after a few week sit becomes 2nd nature.

look in the bulletin under “staff”
Is there a Music Director? A volunteer may not have approval to go out and order the materials. But someone should see to it.

 

[MSSheBear]

I believe elderly priests are allowed to use the 2010 form. I find that the old form will appear with tired and elderly priests. As convert I get confused when we revert to the old form.

One time the cantor was singing an out of date Gloria:shrug: I edited my singing to the new form.

 

[surritter]

There’s no provision for elderly priests, as far as I know.

To the OP…the items you mention aren’t enough in my view to say that they are really doing the old format. (You mentioned a different Penitential Rite; there is an option “B” that almost no parish uses.)

I would listen for the responses of the congregation right after the Offertory and during the Eucharistic Prayer. An obvious one is “And with your spirit.” (Or do they say “and also with you”?)

Do they say “It is right and just” vs. “It is right to give Him thanks and praise.”

Or “Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof” vs. “Lord, I am not worthy to receive you.”

 

[otjm]

Either they didn’t get the memo or simply chose not to read it. There are a few “pockets of resistance” still lurking - some people just really don’t like change.

Particularly when it appears to them to be a rollback of what they felt they wanted, or had achieved.

Which goes to the old saying; there is no one so reactionary as a radical who who has achieved their objective.

 

[Deo_Gratias42]

I believe elderly priests are allowed to use the 2010 form. I find that the old form will appear with tired and elderly priests. As convert I get confused when we revert to the old form.

One time the cantor was singing an out of date Gloria:shrug: I edited my singing to the new form.

Elderly priests are required to use either the Missal of 1962, or the current Missal. There are priests who have been resisting the corrected translation and refuse to use it altogether, or pick and choose which parts they will say correctly (ie: still saying “for all” instead of “for many” during the consecration.)

 

[ProVobis]

Either they didn’t get the memo or simply chose not to read it. There are a few “pockets of resistance” still lurking - some people just really don’t like change.

That people don’t like change is a matter that’s covered in Psychology of Adjustment courses. (I wasn’t a psychology major, but even physicists were required to take social studies.)

The reason for the changes perhaps are explained in this video from Cardinal Arinze. Mainly because English is one of those languages on which other some 240 Nigerian vernaculars (among others) are based. (It’s more of an implication here though.)

youtube.com/watch?v=iP5phNWomys

 

[SMHW]

I am on the road and have been visiting a local parish for a few weeks. I noticed and finally confirmed by really paying attention that they pray many parts of the Liturgy “old form”; not the changes from ~2010.

As others have said, there are probably “pockets of resistance”.

But I have a question: Is the priest also using the old words? Or is it simply the people’s responses that are wrong?

There are people who are not used to reading the Mass parts; if they don’t have the words memorized, they will get them wrong.

My parish typically sings the responses but if I am in a setting where the words are spoken then my brain often reverts back to the 1970 words. Likewise, if a priest chooses seldom used options. I usually catch myself but sometimes a wrong word sneaks out.

I can remember visiting a parish recently where it seemed like everyone in the church was responding with different (English) words and speaking at different rates. I was so distracted that I couldn’t respond at all but the people in this parish didn’t seem to mind a bit.