VMA satan worship and West being rude

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Should I quote for you guys? Have you listened to their music? Watched their videos? It’s occultic, MASONIC, DEMONIC imagery, symbolism, lyrics ALL OVER THE PLACE! This is not gossip. Jay-Z calls himself JayHova! “Jesus can’t save you” in the empire state of mind he boasts about. He has a song called Lucifer. We don’t even need to go into lady gaga, who wore a rosary on her body, with the cross placed on her crotch TO SAY THE LEAST. Rihanna, who’s song “run this town” is set after the rapture. She, jay-z, and kanye ALWAYS sport the illuminati hand gesture all the time. The “all-seeing eye” is placed on purpose by these artists (not as aesthetics!!!). Pink who remakes the initiation outfit for her vma performance. 3-6-mafia “Lucifer…i stay flyyyy.” That’s why I am telling you guys to stay prayed up and research about this. It’s not conspiracy! Jay-Z is the most blatant one, and the others are more discrete. Just because these people are not as blatant as manson does not mean they are not just as bad.

& We don’t need to be specially selected for God to reveal His truth to us. It’s called PRAYER. This is not special knowledge, it’s fact! I mean, these people aren’t Christian, AND on top of that INSULT CHRISTIANITY! They put this foolishness in their music! You think that’s…OK?! Since we’re not Saint so-and-so and blessed so-and-so we can’t vigilantly and prayarfully determine that these people are bad news? Let me know what you think of them now, with all this proof.
I never said that we can’t prayerfully determine God’s will or mind; what I did say is that to discuss such things WITHOUT DIRECT PROOF is gossip. A celebrity is still a person created by God. And by direct proof I don’t mean “threw a sign that may mean this” because there are a lot of people who make the devil horn “you rock” sign without having any idea about what it means. That doesn’t make them Satan worshippers, it makes them a clueless sheep. You’ve made a lot of serious accusations about people you don’t know based on your own impressions. I beg you to quit with the hysterical tone and if you think that these people are involved in this stuff then make reparation and do penance for them.
 
wow…wow…

As a fellow Christian, I am apalled by your complacency. The truth is staring you right in the face, and you call it conspiracy. … my gosh… I didn’t say devil horn sign. I said illuminati signs. They are distinct. Occultic symbolism is distinct. You don’t just draw it randomly and say “Oh i didn’t know…COINCIDENCE!” These aren’t my “impressions.” You keep saying no proof, so what are those quotes i’ve given you? It’s not a sin to look this information up yourself and PROVE ME WRONG. Correct me, as a family in Christ.
…who’s dave hunt…
So all these assaults to our faith…you guys just don’t care? That’s what I’m getting. I’m praying for them, but you guys need to be able to call things like they are and pray for the salvation of young deceived minds that are buying into these artists and their work, and if you don’t believe that this is the truth… God help us…

The fact that you guys call devil worship and illuminati conspiracy… We as Christians are not battling against the flesh, but against principalities. Why wouldn’t you think that the devil’s influence is more widespread? Lucifer led an ENTIRE REBELLION IN HEAVEN against GOD HIMSELF. Remember that
 
wow…wow…

As a fellow Christian, I am apalled by your complacency. The truth is staring you right in the face, and you call it conspiracy. … my gosh… I didn’t say devil horn sign. I said illuminati signs. They are distinct. Occultic symbolism is distinct. You don’t just draw it randomly and say “Oh i didn’t know…COINCIDENCE!” These aren’t my “impressions.” You keep saying no proof, so what are those quotes i’ve given you? It’s not a sin to look this information up yourself and PROVE ME WRONG. Correct me, as a family in Christ.
…who’s dave hunt…
Okay for starters.

1.) Who’s Dave Hunt!? bangs head on desk Why don’t you google him yourself? The guy’s all the rage among conspiracy theorists. Then again, don’t unless you wanna see someone who indulges in the same amount of screwed up symbol seeking as you do.

2.) Quotes can be taken out of context. And furthermore, these are celebrities we’re talking here. In case you haven’t noticed, they’re not the brightest people on earth. :rolleyes:
 
Okay for starters.

1.) Who’s Dave Hunt!? bangs head on desk Why don’t you google him yourself? The guy’s all the rage among conspiracy theorists. Then again, don’t unless you wanna see someone who indulges in the same amount of screwed up symbol seeking as you do.

2.) Quotes can be taken out of context. And furthermore, these are celebrities we’re talking here. In case you haven’t noticed, they’re not the brightest people on earth. :rolleyes:
Screwed up symbolism? Do you think the illuminati exists? They do. And they have their own symbols that represent their organization and beliefs. Masonry, has symbols that are REAL! So when someone puts them in a video or sports them on the red carpet, in their lyrics… you think that they’re … not doing it? I don’t understand you.

How does “God can’t save you” “Jayhova” “666 murder murder Jesus” songs called “Lucifer” “run this town” groups called 3-6-mafia that make songs dedicated to lucifer staying “fly-y-y-y” get taken out of context?

Oh so since they’re celebrities, everything’s okay? We should excuse it? It’s not their fault, they know who Christ is but they choose to HATE him and follow the devil, it’s not their fault, let’s just ignore it, their celebrities!
 
Screwed up symbolism? Do you think the illuminati exists? They do. And they have their own symbols that represent their organization and beliefs. Masonry, has symbols that are REAL! So when someone puts them in a video or sports them on the red carpet, in their lyrics… you think that they’re … not doing it? I don’t understand you.
Hmm, let’s see… considering that those who believe in the “illuminati” include the likes of Jack Chick, Dave Hunt, and John Todd (all blatant anti-Catholics which you have chosen to ignore)… I’d have to say… no. :rolleyes::cool:

And by the way? I said screwed up symbol seeking.
How does “God can’t save you” “Jayhova” “666 murder murder Jesus” songs called “Lucifer” “run this town” groups called 3-6-mafia that make songs dedicated to lucifer staying “fly-y-y-y” get taken out of context?
That’s not my point. Furthermore, I find it hilarious that you haven’t even posted actual evidence supporting your quotes. Ever heard of the fallacy of hearsay?
Oh so since they’re celebrities, everything’s okay? We should excuse it? It’s not their fault, they know who Christ is but they choose to HATE him and follow the devil, it’s not their fault, let’s just ignore it, their celebrities!
I didn’t say it’s okay. I said they’re just too darn stupid to take seriously and what you’re doing is a waste of time. I’d rather waste my time playing video games than trying to make myself feel special by researching the modern day fairy tales known as conspiracy theories.
 
wow…wow…

As a fellow Christian, I am apalled by your complacency. The truth is staring you right in the face, and you call it conspiracy. … my gosh… I didn’t say devil horn sign. I said illuminati signs. They are distinct. Occultic symbolism is distinct. You don’t just draw it randomly and say “Oh i didn’t know…COINCIDENCE!” These aren’t my “impressions.” You keep saying no proof, so what are those quotes i’ve given you? It’s not a sin to look this information up yourself and PROVE ME WRONG. Correct me, as a family in Christ.
…who’s dave hunt…
So all these assaults to our faith…you guys just don’t care? That’s what I’m getting. I’m praying for them, but you guys need to be able to call things like they are and pray for the salvation of young deceived minds that are buying into these artists and their work, and if you don’t believe that this is the truth… God help us…

The fact that you guys call devil worship and illuminati conspiracy… We as Christians are not battling against the flesh, but against principalities. Why wouldn’t you think that the devil’s influence is more widespread? Lucifer led an ENTIRE REBELLION IN HEAVEN against GOD HIMSELF. Remember that
This is the last post I will write on this issue and it will be long so be forewarned. First, you are making a lot of assumptions about “complacency,” mine and that of others on this forum. This discussion has come up repeatedly in the five years I have been a registered poster here. If I was truly “complacent” I wouldn’t say prayers of reparation and I wouldn’t fast for these people. Check out the weblink in my signature sometime. I’m part of a group of people who pray over Hollywood and the entertainment industry at large because we have prayerfully considered that that is God’s will. If you pray for them, too, then great! They are faced with unimaginable temptations and pressures, the likes of which I will never know.

I never said that the devil’s influence isn’t widspread. I know that it is. It’s nothing new. I remember all the talk about the Eagles being devil worshippers in the 70s, the Beatles, etc. Ever hear the legend of Robert Johnson? Supposedly he sold his soul to the devil to be able to play guitar. Ever hear the one about Lord Byron, the poet? His club foot was a cloven hoof and he held black masses in the ruined abbey that was his ancestral home. Ever hear the one about John Milton? He was a Satanist, you know, because he gave Lucifer all the funny lines in “Paradise Lost.” And let’s not even start talking about Goethe and Faust. I’m not trying to make light of your concerns; I’m trying to give you perspective.

I’m not going to bother looking anything that you’ve posted up. The simple fact is that you claimed that Taylor Swift was “initiated” into the Illuminati the night of the VMAs and your “proof” was that she had to sacrifice her first major award and that she changed into a red dress. I looked it up and this year’s VMA was her 21st award. I correct myself in saying that she won a previous VMA; she didn’t but she was nominated last year, too.

I get that you are passionate about this subject. However, you are gossiping, plain and simple. God doesn’t use sin to correct sin. Padre Pio did not hold those whose souls he read – and I suggest that you educate yourself on that topic before you assume that you know what that means – up for public censure. I think his is the example I should follow.

The Church is being attacked…again? Of course it is. The Church is ALWAYS being attacked, it has ALWAYS been attacked. Jesus told us that it would be. I remember that Lucifer led a rebellion against God. I also remember that he thought he’d won when Jesus died. I further remember that Jesus rose again from the dead, destroying Lucifer’s “victory.” Maybe to you I seem “complacent,” but what I am is secure in the knowledge that the victory belongs to Jesus.
 
I am not gossipping. I am bringing you the truth. You do the research. If you have not, then you have no right to disclaim my FACTS. Plain and simple. It’s up to you guys now.
If you think it’s a waste of time. So be it. But personally, researching and disproving something that “allegedly” could cause me to sin as opposed to just remaining ignorant, is worth my time. That’s why I did it. That’s why, when i turn on the radio, the same feeling God puts in me when I’m doing something He doesn’t want me to do, comes up when I hear music by those artists. I didn’t want to believe it at first, but now, well I’m glad God revealed it to me. If only we could defend Jesus Christ as much as we defend those who persecute him…smh

Be blessed and stay rapturable
 
I am not gossipping. I am bringing you the truth. You do the research. If you have not, then you have no right to disclaim my FACTS. Plain and simple.
Considering that conspiracy theories have a low probability of ever being proven true, consider your claims taken with a nice, large grain of salt.

Seriously, do you have any idea who you’re sharing your boat with?

P.S.

Since when did a Catholic espouse the Rapture? :ehh:
 
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Considering that conspiracy theories have a low probability of ever being proven true, consider your claims taken with a nice, large grain of salt.

Seriously, do you have any idea who you’re sharing your boat with?

P.S.

Since when did a Catholic espouse the Rapture? :ehh:
People enjoy conspiracy theories more than they enjoy the truth, they’re so much more fun:cool:
And so many more people to get familiar with that I haven’t met yet:D
 
I like how you guys leave God out of all of this. Have you prayed yet?
 
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People enjoy conspiracy theories more than they enjoy the truth, they’re so much more fun:cool:
And so many more people to get familiar with that I haven’t met yet:D
Well if it’s fun for you, go ahead. 😛
Just don’t forget to take a dose of reality for at least once a day. Doctor’s orders. 😛
(Don’t worry, the same thing goes for gamers and escapists like myself. ;))
 
Of all the threads to get resurrected… The VMA Awards were 5 months ago!

Just to state the obvious, circumstantial evidence (which is all this is) does not give us free reign to attack the reputation of others. I can think of many, many reasonable explanations for the “evidence” that all these people are in league with Satan/Illuminati/Masons/etc.

Per Catholic teaching, we are to presume good will on the part of others until proven otherwise. If there is another reasonable explanation (i.e. they were completely ignorant of the meaning behind this “symbol” / “secret handshake” / etc. and just used it because they saw it somewhere once and thought it looked cool), then we should not jump to conclusions. We need to utilize the gift of reason that God has given to us.

FYI, the Illuminati started back in 1776 but only lasted about 10 years. The idea that they are still around today is the very stuff of conspiracy theories that make people like Dan Brown fabulously wealthy and make people like Jack Chick undeservedly influential.
 
FYI, the Illuminati started back in 1776 but only lasted about 10 years. The idea that they are still around today is the very stuff of conspiracy theories that make people like Dan Brown fabulously wealthy and make people like Jack Chick undeservedly influential.
Sadly no matter how many times you try to keep hammering this into their heads, it still won’t get through. Honestly, I feel so sorry for people who actually believe all that conspiracy junk. Get a real hobby folks! :rolleyes:
 
I like how you guys leave God out of all of this. Have you prayed yet?
By prayer do you mean a prayer of thanks to God for giving me a brain? Why yes, I do it all the time when I run into conspiracy theorists. :rolleyes:

“Thank God I’m not this stupid.”

There, I just did it. 😛
 
Burden is on SakuraYami to provide verifiable link to a reliable news source with regard to the Illuminati charge. Until then, that matter is considered off-topic and posts about it will be deleted.
 
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