Vocation for the melancholic?

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Since age 12, I have felt drawn to the religious life. Worldly pleasures have never attracted me and in fact, usually leave me feeling depressed. At a very young age, I found my happiness in prayer, penance, and in helping others. I was certain that after I grauduated from college, I would enter the religious life- I thought as an active Dominican nun. The week after I graduated from college, I visited a couple of convents- an active Dominican order and cloistered Carmelite. Though I would have liked to make an extended visit at the active Dominican order I visited, the vocations director made it clear to me that I was not called to that community. Though she didn’t specifically say what it was that made her see it, and I didn’t ask (in retrospect I wish I had), I assumed it was at least partly due to my personality. Most of the women there were very joyful, “bubbly”; people who fit the definition of a sanguine temperament. I am quite the opposite- I am reserved, quiet, shy, and keep to myself. I really didn’t “mesh” with the community.
Since that summer, I went on to teach at a Catholic school and have done that for the past three years. I really do love everything about what I do there. I soon thought that maybe I was called to live out my life as a single person. (I’ve known for quite some time that I am not called to the married state).
I have had an intensified desire for prayer and penance over the past several months. It continually grows stronger. Though I know I have been a good influence as a teacher and really enjoy my life, I feel as though I could do more good by devoting my life solely to prayer and penance.
I now see that the contemplative life could be a good fit for me. However, while reading “My Beloved:The Story of a Carmelite Nun” by Mother Catherine Thomas, I’ve started to have some doubts. In the book she says a “meek, mousy pious girl who kept to herself all the time” would “probably never be admitted” to the monastery, or if she was admitted “by mistake” she would “leave within a month or be asked to depart within a half year.” Later, she says that the nuns are wary of postulants who appear to be “cold” or “stiff”.

I felt as though those passages were describing me. Though I don’t consider myself to be a cold person, I fear as though I might appear as aloof. I definitely come across as shy. I don’t smile much and I get teased about that quite often. It’s not that I’m never happy, it’s just that smiling isn’t something I do unless I’m exceptionally happy. I do think I have a sense of humor and laugh quite easily at jokes or humorous stories. However, spontaneously smiling when seeing someone is not something that I naturally do.

I also think the words “meek, pious, mousy” all apply to me, and I do tend to keep to myself. I tend to get anxious in groups and try to stay away from those situations when at all possible. It isn’t because I don’t like people- on the contrary, I love people. I want to help them in any way I can, and offer prayers and sacrifices for them. But for the most part, I have nothing to say to acquaintances/strangers outside of “Hi, how are you doing?” and “I’ll keep you in my prayers.” If there is something that needs to be said, I will say it. If I see that my help is needed, I will offer it. I am always ready to lend an ear to those who want to talk. However, I very rarely initiate conversation. I feel as though I don’t have much to offer people in the way of words. I don’t do small talk- not because I don’t see the value in it, but because for the most part it’s very unnatural to me. Usually there is absolutely nothing I can think of to say, no matter how much I try to force conversation. I can give people my ear, hands, and prayers and that’s usually all.

Don’t get me wrong- I have several close friends and have developed some wonderfully strong relationships over the years. I have great conversations with friends and family. But to strangers or people in a group setting, I usually don’t have anything to say and am quite shy and reserved.

After reading “My Beloved” and “A Right to Be Merry”, I wonder if I really do have a contemplative vocation. Both books seem to emphasize the sanguine personalities within the order and only describe the melancholic personalities as those who are not called to the contemplative life. I understand that part of the reason the authors do this is to fight against the stereotype of the cloistered life. However, it makes me wonder if it truly is the case that people like me are not called to that lifestyle. My question is, do you think melancholics are called to the contemplative life? If not, what is their vocation?
Usually, I stay away from generalizations. I understand that a vocation is a personal matter and that it’s best discerned through prayer and by talking to a spiritual advisor and vocation director. I plan on visiting Carmelite monasteries soon in order to get direction. However, because the books I’ve just read generalize these personalities as either “fit” or “unfit” for their monastery, it’s made me wonder if this is truly the case and if I’m “wasting” my time chasing after a vocation that was never meant for me.
 
The reason why I’m so concerned about this is that I will be risking quite a lot if I should decide to make an extended stay over the summer. Right now I have to work two jobs in order to make ends meet. I’m a school teacher full time and work a bookstore part time. I work full time at the bookstore in the summer. Should I make an extended stay in the summer, that would mean quitting my summer job. If I came back in the fall only to find out it wasn’t my vocation, I would have lost a significant source of my income from the bookstore and would find it very difficult to live on just my teaching salary. In fact, I did the math and I would be in debt by the end of next year should I lose the bookstore job. The easy answer would be to find a new school to teach at. However, it would be difficult to find a teaching job in August after coming back from an extended stay at a monastery. I suppose I could start looking for a job now so that it could be ready for me in August. But besides that, I really can’t see myself teaching at any other school. I know that God called me to that school- I am as certain of that as anything. I felt an overwhelming peace the first time i visited the school and have never thought about going elsewhere. I love the families and students. Also, I’ve worked very hard to build up my curriculum and supplies (I’m a science teacher and teach five different subjects). It would be difficult to leave all that behind and start from scratch- especially if ultimately I left it for the religious life only to discover that it is not my vocation.

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
I know a girl who just entered a Carmelite monestary. She made visits to several different orders beforehand. According to what I heard, monasteries are not looking for people to come for extended stays, but more like a few days. Check it out. Best wishes in your discernment.
 
The reason why I’m so concerned about this is that I will be risking quite a lot if I should decide to make an extended stay over the summer. Right now I have to work two jobs in order to make ends meet. I’m a school teacher full time and work a bookstore part time. I work full time at the bookstore in the summer. Should I make an extended stay in the summer, that would mean quitting my summer job. If I came back in the fall only to find out it wasn’t my vocation, I would have lost a significant source of my income from the bookstore and would find it very difficult to live on just my teaching salary. In fact, I did the math and I would be in debt by the end of next year should I lose the bookstore job. The easy answer would be to find a new school to teach at. However, it would be difficult to find a teaching job in August after coming back from an extended stay at a monastery. I suppose I could start looking for a job now so that it could be ready for me in August. But besides that, I really can’t see myself teaching at any other school. I know that God called me to that school- I am as certain of that as anything. I felt an overwhelming peace the first time i visited the school and have never thought about going elsewhere. I love the families and students. Also, I’ve worked very hard to build up my curriculum and supplies (I’m a science teacher and teach five different subjects). It would be difficult to leave all that behind and start from scratch- especially if ultimately I left it for the religious life only to discover that it is not my vocation.

Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks!
Dear MG:

Make no changes in your job status unless, between now and then, you receive a suggestion from outside yourself as to the existence, and direction, of your religious vocation. If GOD wants you there, HE will not require you to incur debt to find it out.

It is easy to confuse a strong desire with a vocation, but they are not the same. Only GOD can separate them, and HE can do it wherever you spend the summer.

Do you have a spiritual advisor? If not, find one soonest.

God Bless and ICXC NIKA!
 
Wow. I could have written that first post myself. Are you me? 😊

I have no advice but I will watch the responses …
 
Have you ever looked into the Carthusian life? I don’t know where they have female communities, but they spend less time in community than other monastic lifestyles. I’m not the person to ask about what temperament they look for in potential nuns, but it might be a different path for you to look into.

Padre Pio said “Hope, pray and DON’T WORRY”. God will take care of you, my sister. You will end up in exactly the vocation that will best glorify our Lord. You live a life of prayer, penance and dedication to Christ, and He will not forsake His faithful servants. Perhaps you will have to confront some of these personality issues, and will later find it easier to talk with strangers, perhaps God has a hermit type of life planned for you. Either way, just continue to seek Him (and maybe try to force a smile once in a while, I used to be just like that, now people tell me how they like how I smile every time I see someone. I can’t help it, it’s become natural. It helps people to see the joy of Christ in you)

I will pray for you and all discerning young men and women like us, that God will lovingly guide us to a life of joyous fulfillment. I hope others will give you helpful advice as well. God bless you 🙂

In Christ and Our Blessed Mother,
Frank
 
. My question is, do you think melancholics are called to the contemplative life? If not, what is their vocation?
Usually, I stay away from generalizations. I understand that a vocation is a personal matter and that it’s best discerned through prayer and by talking to a spiritual advisor and vocation director. I plan on visiting Carmelite monasteries soon in order to get direction. However, because the books I’ve just read generalize these personalities as either “fit” or “unfit” for their monastery, it’s made me wonder if this is truly the case and if I’m “wasting” my time chasing after a vocation that was never meant for me.
I say don’t worry about it and don’t take those medieval temperaments so seriously. Part of discernment is for the community to discern if its for you, and for you to discern if you are for the community. If a carmelite convent doesn’t work out for you and you still feel called to the religious life, then I say try somewhere else. I’d also keep in mind that book was one person’s opinion. Other convents may have a different opinion or may realize the benefit of having members of a variety of temperaments. Don’t let one book discourage you from following Christ’s call. : )
 
Dear friend,

Tell the vocation/formation person exactly what you told us in your first post! They should be good at seeing the true person after getting to know them a bit…being shy should not be a hindrance…most of us started out that way! 😉

I do believe I’d be more concerned with a person who goes about life with a seemingly “fake” smile on her face at all times, rather than a reflective one who is a bit shy.

Could your vocation, perhaps, be to a teaching congregation that also puts much emphasis on prayer (as you mention, you love teaching)? Just because one congregation wasn’t a good fit doesn’t mean that the right one isn’t out there.

God bless.
 
Thanks for all the kind words and advice, they’ve helped!
I know a girl who just entered a Carmelite monestary. She made visits to several different orders beforehand. According to what I heard, monasteries are not looking for people to come for extended stays, but more like a few days. Check it out. Best wishes in your discernment.
That’s good to know, thanks.
Make no changes in your job status unless, between now and then, you receive a suggestion from outside yourself as to the existence, and direction, of your religious vocation. If GOD wants you there, HE will not require you to incur debt to find it out.
That’s great advice- I need to look more for answers outside of myself.
Do you have a spiritual advisor? If not, find one soonest.
No I don’t, I haven’t been able to find one. Hopefully I’ll be able to find some direction at the monasteries I plan on visiting soon.
Wow. I could have written that first post myself. Are you me?
It’s comforting to know that I’m not alone in this- I will keep you in my prayers!
Have you ever looked into the Carthusian life? I don’t know where they have female communities, but they spend less time in community than other monastic lifestyles.
I haven’t thought about it, but now that you’ve suggested it, I’ll look into it.
Don’t let one book discourage you from following Christ’s call. : )
I really needed to hear that- thanks so much.
Could your vocation, perhaps, be to a teaching congregation that also puts much emphasis on prayer (as you mention, you love teaching)? Just because one congregation wasn’t a good fit doesn’t mean that the right one isn’t out there.
You’re right- I guess I was so set on that one particular teaching order that when I wasn’t accepted I felt that I didn’t belong in any order of that sort. I really should look into active orders again as well.
 
I would imagine religious life would be difficult for someone who dislikes being around others- religious are around others all the time, and they have to interact with each other regularly (even those that take vows of silence acknowledge that they live in community and work with each other- silently of course- to make their community a healthy family).

If you believe you are truly called to be alone, you might consider a vocation to be a hermit. Hermits are withdrawn from the world, although I imagine they have at least seasonal jobs to support themselves.
 
MariaGoretti24,

Don’t beat yourself up too badly and think something’s wrong with you. My take on your post is that you’re a classic introvert (as am I). I spent six months with a community and discerned it was not my calling, mainly due to the fact that I had so little time to myself. Introverts are really worn out by constant interaction with others and need time alone to recharge their energy. Extroverts thrive on other people and find time alone to be wearisome.

Working with my spiritual director, I discerned a calling to living a consecrated life in the world. I’ve taken vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, but I have a job and live on my own. It’s a perfect match for me.

The flip side is that I’ve found I have to force myself to be more personable. Not to the extent of going against my own personality, but simply because of the culture we (Americans) live in. I also have to work on making sure I don’t look to dour when I’m at rest. I feel great inside, but my outward appearance can look disconnected. It’s part of the introverted package, unfortunately.

I would recommend that you take a good personality test or read up on the introverted personality; perhaps that will help!
 
wow.

Just like student09, this thread totally applies to me too …

hah. and just when you think you’re alone. 😉
 
Working with my spiritual director, I discerned a calling to living a consecrated life in the world. I’ve taken vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience, but I have a job and live on my own. It’s a perfect match for me.
I think this is probably what I am called to … though I have a lot of discernment still to do. Could you say more about what is involved in it? For instance, how do poverty and obedience work for someone who is not living in a monastery under a superior?
 
Either way, just continue to seek Him (and maybe try to force a smile once in a while, I used to be just like that, now people tell me how they like how I smile every time I see someone. I can’t help it, it’s become natural. It helps people to see the joy of Christ in you)
I have to agree with Frank. My temperament is more phlegmatic-melancholic, but my melancholic side was more dominant when I was younger. I wasn’t really a people person around strangers, but with my close friends I would talk and laugh like I was a complete sanguine. Of course, I could only to that for a couple of hours and then I seriously needed some “alone time” where I didn’t have to interact with anybody. Around the age of 14, my mom would punish me if I refused to smile. It generally made me and the whole household a lot happier, even if I wasn’t unhappy in the first place. 😃

I’ve been discerning a vocation what seems like my whole life, wanting it earnestly at around 10, but feeling it unlikely. As of now, i’ll be entering a community in September as a postulant. It’s a contemplative active community, which means they spend a lot of their time in prayer and then ministry comes second. They do quite a bit as a community, but they also place a huge value on personal prayer time to be alone with God. Also remember that if you did join a community, you would form close bonds with the Sisters there and it would probably be easier to not be so shy. Many contemplative-active communities have teaching as one of their apostolates, not just the Dominicans, so you would still be able to continue teaching. And most communities, as previously stated, don’t require you to stay for a long period of time before entering. And every community is different, even if they look very similar, so don’t give up if you still feel drawn to religious life! I have found my community to be a great fit for me. I encourage you to look into that type of community as a possible fit for you. Here’s a website I found with some really good resources and communities to look into: www.religiouslife.com

Whatever you do, don’t get discouraged! If you truly seek His will for you, He will help you find it. Be assured of my prayers for your journey!!! :gopray2:

Jessica
 
Well, my temperment tends towards the melancholic as well, and I’ve been in community for about 16 months now (just received the habit!:D). In the communities I’ve visited there are all kinds of temperments and personality types, including here.

If you are called to religious life, there is a community out there for you. You mentioned the active Dominicans–have you ever considered the cloistered Dominican life?

While you shouldn’t perpetually “shop” for a community, it is important to contact some different spiritualities, or a few active a few contemplative and then narrow it down, hopefully with the help of a spiritual director.

I will pray for you.
www.usaopnuns.org (Connections to all cloistered Dominican monasteries)
www.opnuns-fh.org (Monastery of the Blessed Sacrament, my monastery)
 
Thanks so much for all the advice. Since I last posted on here, a lot has happened.
After much prayer, thought, and talking to others, I decided to pursue a vocation in a cloistered Carmelite order. I’ve been accepted to a community and will enter in June!
Please continue to keep me in yours prayers as I continue to discern God’s will.
 
Thanks so much for all the advice. Since I last posted on here, a lot has happened.
After much prayer, thought, and talking to others, I decided to pursue a vocation in a cloistered Carmelite order. I’ve been accepted to a community and will enter in June!
Please continue to keep me in yours prayers as I continue to discern God’s will.
What a joy to hear, MG!:):)🙂

God Bless and ICXC NIKA,

GEddie

(fellow melancholic and average sinner)🤷
 
Thanks so much for all the advice. Since I last posted on here, a lot has happened.
After much prayer, thought, and talking to others, I decided to pursue a vocation in a cloistered Carmelite order. I’ve been accepted to a community and will enter in June!
Please continue to keep me in yours prayers as I continue to discern God’s will.
I was just going to reply to your OP and then saw the update…

That is wonderful!!! 🙂 I will keep you in my prayers… I am a shy person too and I’m also discerning my vocation so I could relate to your post. Don’t worry about anything and just seek the path Our Lord has for you.

God bless 🙂
 
Dear MG:

I wish some orders wouldn’t over-emphasize the bouncy joy!

I’m happy that you have found the next step in your quest…

The Carmelites are lovely as they should have individual hermitages - or at least their cells would represent that…

I realize that you’ve made a commitment, and one could shop around forever, but two other orders come to mind, which you could keep in your back pocket…

The Passionist Nuns of Whiteville KY dedicate their lives to reparation for the Crucified Lord; penitence is a very big part of their charism.

Also, the Cistercian Nuns of “Our Lady of the Valley” in Wisconsin are greatly devoted to contemplation.

May God be with you on your journey to finding the right “fit”!
Pasqua1919
 
Congratulations to you!

Please pray for all of us.

God bless!

👍
 
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