Have you seen the movie Into Great Silence?Hello. Does anyone know whether a person would be accepted into a religious Order outside their own native land, if they applied to an Order outside of their own native land (please note: for good reasons), despite having made contact with some religious Orders already within one’s own native land?
Thank you.
Hi Sarcelle! Thanks. I did view this film a few years ago. There’s a quite a telling story behind the length of time it took for them to reply to the film maker who wished to video them - Entish pace! It was moving and quite intense in the silence which is an intensity that one would have to really enter into, but I like the idea of this, as there’d be less room for distractions. I didn’t know they came from all over the world and hearing this is positive news! Did they even have lighting in that monastery? I find the Divine Office immensely difficult when trying to follow when I can see!
I wonder if there are any missionary Orders too who might take people from all over the world?There were two monks that stood out. One was a monk from Canada and the other a monk from Africa.Hi Sarcelle! Thanks. I did view this film a few years ago. There’s a quite a telling story behind the length of time it took for them to reply to the film maker who wished to video them - Entish pace! It was moving and quite intense in the silence which is an intensity that one would have to really enter into, but I like the idea of this, as there’d be less room for distractions. I didn’t know they came from all over the world and hearing this is positive news! Did they even have lighting in that monastery? I find the Divine Office immensely difficult when trying to follow when I can see!
Hi there! I’d be prepared to learn a new language, yet maybe silence - even if not cloistered (not able to speak the language) - might be a good thing!
The U.S speaks a form of english anyway but european and asian countries would require a foreign language. As long as one can study the Bible then I don’t think it is too much of an issue overall. The importance depends on whether one is required to study in-depth theology that would even be difficult in one’s own language! Isolation is a factor though and so learning the language would be a requirement from that point-of-view. Thanks for the lovely response! Canadians speak French, or some do. And so do Africans, in some parts. Maybe a foreign language, as Luz Maria suggested, might be a prerequisite then…?
Let’s go with candles. They lend a certain ambience and is more conducive to meditation in my opinion .Canadians speak French, or some do. And so do Africans, in some parts. Maybe a foreign language, as Luz Maria suggested, might be a prerequisite then…?
Energy-saving bulbs, no doubt? Or candles. Let’s go with candles?
Both the Canadian, a Québécois, and the African already spoke fluent French. However, there is nothing stopping you from learning French.Canadians speak French, or some do. And so do Africans, in some parts. Maybe a foreign language, as Luz Maria suggested, might be a prerequisite then…?
Energy-saving bulbs, no doubt? Or candles. Let’s go with candles?
Let’s go with candles. They lend a certain ambience and is more conducive to meditation in my opinion .
Most definitely!Don’t mind the idea of the states but not sure about Visa regulations. The States is pretty well evangelised already. Was thinking more about heading in the Euro-Africa-Asia areas. To pray, become unthinkably poor, and hopefully not get eaten by oversized kittens.
Hmm, maybe Thailand?
Don’t mind the idea of the states but not sure about Visa regulations. The States is pretty well evangelised already. Was thinking more about heading in the Euro-Africa-Asia areas. To pray, become unthinkably poor, and hopefully not get eaten by oversized kittens.
Could learn french. Un table, un regle, oui, le petite pois…I thought Spanish might be easier and more of a modern language for the poorer regions of the world. But french is a well-known one. I think possibly many indigenous people speak french (maybe?). Missions from France must have spread far and wide as did Spanish ones.
And that brought how much comfort? Not sure he wasn’t trying to ease your heart, tbh. I don’t think tigers when hungry would think twice about eating someone unless they’d been reared in captivity and were docile, and even when familiar with their breeders, tigers could surely turn. I’d choose to run from a tiger than ask about its feelings! Think we’d know its answer!
Isn’t it very touristy in many places in Thailand as it is known to be a popular place for travellers?You are welcome, FD.Hi there! I’d be prepared to learn a new language, yet maybe silence - even if not cloistered (not able to speak the language) - might be a good thing!
Parts of Thailand are touristy and parts are not.And that brought how much comfort? Not sure he wasn’t trying to ease your heart, tbh. I don’t think tigers when hungry would think twice about eating someone unless they’d been reared in captivity and were docile, and even when familiar with their breeders, tigers could surely turn. I’d choose to run from a tiger than ask about its feelings! Think we’d know its answer!
Most Canadians don’t speak French. If you go to Quebec, the French they speak is not the same as the French spoken in Europe.Canadians speak French, or some do. And so do Africans, in some parts. Maybe a foreign language, as Luz Maria suggested, might be a prerequisite then…?
Energy-saving bulbs, no doubt? Or candles. Let’s go with candles?
Hi!You are welcome, FD.
Oh yes, you might have to learn the language because even the cloistered speak or listen: to the homily at Mass, the Spiritual Readings during meals, recreation, work. How about going to Confession? Remember also that you would most likely go through testing (psychological, physical, etc.) before being accepted; in what language would those be? Also factor in if you have to go to a medical doctor or hospital in the new country for you must be able to communicate or have an interpreter. How good would the interpreter be? I have heard some dandy translations! Note: an interpreter would interpret the “walnuts” in a recipe as “nueces” or “nueces de Castilla” in Spanish; the translator could translate it to “tuercas” which actually mean “screw nuts” :bigyikes: . I did not trust that translation and checked it out. Emigrating to a new country ALONE and entering religious life both at the same time is quite a bit to :juggle: for anyone.
If you do emigrate, I would suggest that you please have the fact that X is your native language in your medical records. Years ago someone had to go into the operating room to tell the patient in Spanish to open his mouth because he was coming out of anesthesia. As soon as it was said in Spanish he opened his mouth. The man was completely bilingual! I would rather learn from the experience of others!
Just a little insight: I have a Catholic Bible in English and one in Spanish. Can you believe that the books are not in the same order? It is not a big deal unless the person states in one language sixth book from the end of the OT, and you look it up in the other language.
Am not at all trying to dissuade you, but only gently bringing the reality home. I will leave you with what a very wise Sister of Charity told me when I was very young: “Remember, you must walk with your heart in heaven:angel1:, but your feet firmly on earth.” I hold on to that to this day. From your posts here, you appear to be doing that already. Keep the good humor for it is needed throughout life in any vocation.
Please note that am only writing about migrating and language needs or difficulties that may occur.
Blessings to you always.
Seems to be notable advice. You certainly make some important points. There was one Order I visited ages and ages ago that said one had to learn the Bible, and no doubt theology, in a foreign language. Which if working in a foreign country would be understandable but the idea was surprising nevertheless. This post has reminded me. Missionary Orders would be quite difficult in this case as it probably involves speaking to the public. Cloistered Orders would allow for more time and deliberation. There are definitely many factors to deliberate. And no doubt loads of confusions would occur as you humourously recounted
- thanks for recounting.
Please continue to follow the call to the Carmelite way of life. The world need Carmelites and always will. Nuns are a blessing and the Carmelites charism is very holy blessing. Many saints connected to the history of this Order. The nuns are cloistered aren’t they? Because the friars are missionaries one might expect them to be monks not friars.
D), although Carmelite friars are missionaries, one might expect them to be monks not friars - due to the nature of their charism.Hi. Hmm…Google Translate, here we come!