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SHAKA_MAKA1
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How many Vocations are there and what are they?
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eucharisteo
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I would go as far as to say that there are at least one for every person. Vocation means to call. God calls all of us. But he doesn’t call us to do bad things. We can either following the calling or ignore it. Most people fall inbetween somewhere. Free will.
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SHAKA_MAKA1
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I’m having a discussion with someone and they say there;s three. Married, religious and single. I thought it was married, single and holy orders, with sisters and nuns falling under single.
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Formosus
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There are married, single, religious life, and Holy Orders. Each individual has an “individual vocation” but that is not the samething as the four Vocations listed above.
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Poor_Clare_tobe
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What an excellent way to describe the different vocations and our call! I will use that next time someone asks me to describe for them what the vocations are or what it is!
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RosaryFan
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I, too, always thought there were three vocations. Married, single and religious. However, I thought nuns and sisters were considered religions (or consecrated) even though they don’t receive Holy Orders.
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SHAKA_MAKA1
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I thought nuns and sisters fell under single
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RosaryFan
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Maybe they do fall under single. I’m not really sure, but I just figured that women can also be called to “religious life”, so that’s why I always thought they fell under the “religious” vocation. They may not receive the sacrament of Holy Orders, but they do take religious vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.
I thought “single” people were those who were not married and not a member of any religious order.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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This doesn’t work either as there are those in Holy Orders who are married.
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eucharisteo
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Married, Single, Religious, and/or Holy Orders…with exceptiong to Religious…but aren’t we all religious…
We are to treat our jobs as if they are our vocation… that is why I said for every person there is a unique vocation… Now for specific like the four catagories that’s true. But Eastern Catholic men can have 2 of the 4…married and ordained… What about Deacons? Married and Ordained too. So that is in both Eastern and Western Catholicism. I guess a secular third order doesn’t count? That would mean you could have 3 of the 4. But who’s splitting hairs?
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Formosus
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How so? I didn’t say one could be married and have Holy Orders? Likewise someone in Religious life is also living out the single vocation and the religious vocation. : p
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Norseman82
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Married and “virginity for the kingdom”, as the CCC puts it. The latter encompasses Holy Orders, religious life, and other consecrated life. There are soem cases in which there are multiple vocations, mainly married people who become permanent deacons and, in the Eastern Rites (and some exceptions in the Latin Rite for converting protestant ministers), married people who are ordained.
“Single” in and of itself does not constitute a vocation until vows are taken, in which case it becomes part of consecrated life. Not being able to get a date as a teenager does not automatically mean that you are called to be single, as some of the panicky posts I’ve read on these forums might have you believe. Until a vow is taken, your single state of life is not an impediment to marriage or the “virginity for the kingdom” states, whereas marriage is an impediment to priesthood (in the Latin Rite anyway) and priesthood is an impediment to marriage.
According to CCC 1603, our natural vocation (written into our nature) is marriage.
“Single” in and of itself does not constitute a vocation until vows are taken, in which case it becomes part of consecrated life. Not being able to get a date as a teenager does not automatically mean that you are called to be single, as some of the panicky posts I’ve read on these forums might have you believe. Until a vow is taken, your single state of life is not an impediment to marriage or the “virginity for the kingdom” states, whereas marriage is an impediment to priesthood (in the Latin Rite anyway) and priesthood is an impediment to marriage.
According to CCC 1603, our natural vocation (written into our nature) is marriage.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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So then someone who chooses to live life as a single individual without entering religious life or Holy Orders is not living out their vocation?
I have never liked this idea. Single life is a vocation.
I base this fact on something that you got wrong.
You said that marriage is an impediment to priesthood (in the Latin Church) which is incorrect. It is not an impediment and this is proven by those married priests within the Latin Church. It is only a matter of discipline that precludes the ordination of married men.
An impediment can not be dispensed from nor can it be allowed in other Churches.
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Norseman82
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Possibly. But then again, I do not buy into the notion of a micro-managing God who has pre-determined our lives before we are born. We were given free will.
Please give me an example of married priests in the Latin Rite (other than the exceptions that I had outlined in my post reagrding married protestant ministers who convert).
And even so, how do you make the conclusion “married priests in the Latin Rite” = “single life is a vocation”?
Additionally, canon 1042 (1) of the 1983 revision code of canon law explicitly states:
"The following are simply impeded from receiving orders:
(1) a man who has a wife, unless he is legitimately destined for the permanent diaconate"
so I guess I’m not wrong after all.
It takes more than just your personal likes or dislikes to decalre single life a vocation.
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Yet your statement that there is no vocation to single life seems to be such.
No the issue for me was your comparison of the impediment Holy Orders to marriage to the impediment of marriage to Holy Orders.
One is explict and can not change, the other one can and has changed.
As for married priests with in the Latin Church. They are there. Doesn’t really matter if they are converts from protestant groups or not, they still need to be ordained.
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Cristiano
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I think that there is only one Vocation and that is the call to Holiness. How we follow that call can change with time and conditions.
I was a single man that tried to be moral, then I was called to be married, then I was called to be a father, then I was called to be a role model in the parish, now I think that I am called to the holy orders. I have not always tried as hard as I should and I am sorry for that.
It is difficult to define different aspects of the Vocation (e.g. vocations) because it would be putting boundaries on the economy of God. We have partial knowledge and limited intelligence to fully comprehend it.
Honestly I think that it is a waste of time to try to look for more “vocations” beside the holy orders and consecrated religious life. That would really downplay multiple aspects of our lives that God asked us to pursue in order to be Holy.
I was a single man that tried to be moral, then I was called to be married, then I was called to be a father, then I was called to be a role model in the parish, now I think that I am called to the holy orders. I have not always tried as hard as I should and I am sorry for that.
It is difficult to define different aspects of the Vocation (e.g. vocations) because it would be putting boundaries on the economy of God. We have partial knowledge and limited intelligence to fully comprehend it.
Honestly I think that it is a waste of time to try to look for more “vocations” beside the holy orders and consecrated religious life. That would really downplay multiple aspects of our lives that God asked us to pursue in order to be Holy.
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Formosus
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I am pretty sure, norse, that the catechism talks about the single vocation, but perhaps doesn’t use those words explicitly. Some are called to live the single vocation, whether because of being vowed religious, latin clergy, or other reasons (homosexuality, completely sterile, or simply because its God’s will that one remain single).
Also, the call to holiness is not a vocation in the sense that those four I mentioned are. It is a universal calling from God that is lived out through the four vocations and then further lived out through one’s individual vocation. Such as one is called to be Holy, and he does this by answering God’s call to the religious life, which there he lives out his life of holiness as the monastic cook, sandel maker, or liquor maker (depending on which monastary : p )
Also, the call to holiness is not a vocation in the sense that those four I mentioned are. It is a universal calling from God that is lived out through the four vocations and then further lived out through one’s individual vocation. Such as one is called to be Holy, and he does this by answering God’s call to the religious life, which there he lives out his life of holiness as the monastic cook, sandel maker, or liquor maker (depending on which monastary : p )
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BarbaraTherese
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We are religious, we are fraternal brothers and sisters; hence, we are religious brothers and sisters…only the type varies:thumbsup:
Thank you very much for stating the above!
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I feel like dancing truly that you have stated what you have…we are all types of religious sisters and brothers. Think about it! For too long there has been a sort of class consciousnes in Catholicism structured according to where God may call an individual in life. If you think about it, what can be higher for any person than God’s Will, even if it is to collect garbage. Indeed where would society be if our waste and garbage was never collected. I first cottoned on to this thinking when I worked in an office and the hot topic then was “Management by Objectives” which in fact said that to be conscientious about collecting the waste bins was just as important as the General Manager and his duties. After all, was the understanding, where would we all be if no one ever collected the wastepaper baskets, including that of the General Manager. Without getting ridiculous about it all of course. In M by O every person’s duties assigned to him or her kept the company functioning efficiently, and were thus of total equal importance and to be valued as such, and I connected this to Catholicism as my Faith profession and my own, then being considered, future and God’s Will for my potential direction in life.Married, Single, Religious, and/or Holy Orders…with exceptiong to Religious…but aren’t we all religious…
We are religious, we are fraternal brothers and sisters; hence, we are religious brothers and sisters…only the type varies:thumbsup:
Thank you very much for stating the above!
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BarbaraTherese
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Correct. The catechism mentions celibacy as do some Vatican documents…and of course the single person must be celibate.
I am off to Vigil Mass:thumbsup: Sat. evevning here any moment, but when I come back I will put in links to this thread re the single vocation. And of course, the reason that the single vocation is of interest to me is that I am single and celibate.
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