Vorris "Catholic Government"

[Rence]

Only in America.

But imo it would be nice if Catholicism was favored so that the Church would have a gaurantee that it would be supported.

Not saying freedom of religion shouldn’t exist - it very much should be. I just think Catholicism should be favored in an ideal country.

We might be on different pages.

Well of course you do That’s how people of different faiths feel as well. Of course, Jews want Judaism to be favored in an ideal country. And Muslims want Islam favored. And Lutherans wish Lutheran to be favored. And Bapists want Baptist to be favored. It’s only natural to want one’s own religion to be the favored religion so that there would be a guarantee that it would be supported without any interference from the beliefs and values of another religion. So I can understand what you’re saying

 

[Paddy1989]

The thing that not many people get is that the foundation’s of Justice, goodness, liberty, equality etc are only objective Truth’s under Theism. In a secular driven society like which the west is currently in, then all thing’s become relative. This is why we have abortion, contraception, pornography, and the acceptance that these thing’s are not evil’s that shouldn’t be tolerated but merely issue’s that can be decided by a majority. The Truth of human dignity and value is removed and become merely up to the individual to decide. When Catholicism is promoted as something that is merely something personal instead of much more it is usually universally abandoned due to the fact that it’s Truth’s have no bearing on the world yet as we should all realize it was Christianity that built western civilization. Democracy itself should be limited, for EVERYTHING from when life become’s of value to the power of the state has become something that merely is decided by the majority, a majority who are easily manipulated and swayed by the world

 

[BVM_1221]

I’m guessing a good many of you have seen this youtube.com/watch?v=St9kZqWxNfU

I’d be interested to hear your opinions on it.

After what happened in Ireland, the last thing I would want is a Catholic Church as a governing entity.

 

[Paddy1989]

After what happened in Ireland, the last thing I would want is a Catholic Church as a governing entity.

Agree, the Church and State as institution’s should ALWAYS be separate however it’s fundamental truth’s should be the building block’s to what the political, economical and social structure is based on. The only alternative beyond that is secular relativism which is one of the most dangerous thing’s the world have ever experienced in my opinion

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Agree, the Church and State as institution’s should ALWAYS be separate however it’s fundamental truth’s should be the building block’s to what the political, economical and social structure is based on. The only alternative beyond that is secular relativism which is one of the most dangerous thing’s the world have ever experienced in my opinion

Why would you want Church and State separated (at least in predominantly Catholic countries)?

newadvent.org/cathen/14250c.htm

 

[ringil]

The thing that not many people get is that the foundation’s of Justice, goodness, liberty, equality etc are only objective Truth’s under Theism. In a secular driven society like which the west is currently in, then all thing’s become relative. This is why we have abortion, contraception, pornography, and the acceptance that these thing’s are not evil’s that shouldn’t be tolerated but merely issue’s that can be decided by a majority. The Truth of human dignity and value is removed and become merely up to the individual to decide. When Catholicism is promoted as something that is merely something personal instead of much more it is usually universally abandoned due to the fact that it’s Truth’s have no bearing on the world yet as we should all realize it was Christianity that built western civilization. Democracy itself should be limited, for EVERYTHING from when life become’s of value to the power of the state has become something that merely is decided by the majority, a majority who are easily manipulated and swayed by the world

What about Hammurabi’s Code? This wasn’t judeo/Christians in origin.

 

[ringil]

Only in America.

But imo it would be nice if Catholicism was favored so that the Church would have a gaurantee that it would be supported.

Not saying freedom of religion shouldn’t exist - it very much should be. I just think Catholicism should be favored in an ideal country.

We might be on different pages.

You mean kinda like in Iran? I don’t think that favoring one religion while “permitting” others is the way to go myself.

 

[TruthSeeker60]

If I were still Catholic, I would be ashamed of Michael Voris. I tried to post the following comment on the first of his two followup videos:

“You need to watch your hate speech, it’s way too revealing.”

How ironic, especially after attacking your atheist viewers as leading “adulterous, or chemically addicted, or money worshiping, or power hungry, or attention crazed, or over-the-top self-consciousness, or pride filled, or otherwise promiscuous lives.”

BTW, I bet this post will be deleted. I’ve noticed that Christians on Youtube don’t value free speech as much as non-believers, which is valued in democracies.

I got the dreaded “Comment pending approval.” Not very surprising.

 

[Paddy1989]

Why would you want Church and State separated (at least in predominantly Catholic countries)?

newadvent.org/cathen/14250c.htm

What we seen throughout history is if the Church intermingle’s in State affair’s such as clergy having direct power it has corrupted many and therefore harmed the reputation of the Church in those countries. The role of the Church and Clergy is much different than to pursue these mean’s in society. Politic’s, economic’s and the social structure should be influenced by Catholic teaching and it’s Truth however never should be directly ruled by the Church

 

[Paddy1989]

What about Hammurabi’s Code? This wasn’t judeo/Christians in origin.

I agree but something but it merely an irrelevant code dating back to a pagan culture

 

[Rence]

If I were still Catholic, I would be ashamed of Michael Voris.

Yeah, he makes a few of us a bit uncomfortable

I can’t believe any Catholics would take him seriously, let alone actually support him or agree with him. But the world is a big place.

 

[ringil]

He’s a very scary man with very scary hair.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

What we seen throughout history is if the Church intermingle’s in State affair’s such as clergy having direct power it has corrupted many and therefore harmed the reputation of the Church in those countries. The role of the Church and Clergy is much different than to pursue these mean’s in society. Politic’s, economic’s and the social structure should be influenced by Catholic teaching and it’s Truth however never should be directly ruled by the Church

I agree. But that isn’t what happened in the Middle Ages (assuming that is what you’re talking about). At least not at the beginning. At the beginning what happened was the state did things to help the church and the church was above the state. What happened later (which you might be thinking of which I agree is wrong) is that the state started to think it had power over the church, and then it corrupted many. When the state thinks it has power over the church, it makes the clergy become more like politicians. But complete separation is not the way to go either because then the state shrinks the church.

 

[Warrenton]

After what happened in Ireland, the last thing I would want is a Catholic Church as a governing entity.

Do you apply the same reasoning to the public schools of the United States?

What is to be done when the government itself fails to govern?

The principles of monastic life can be universally applied outside of the cloister.