Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics

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I recently received a voter’s guide inserted in my church bulletin, and it was not the “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. Instead, it was from the Focolare Movement. I feel unomfortable about it for some reason, but can’t quite put my finger on it. The writer of it expands on it in her blog here

mirrorofjustice.net/mirrorofjustice/uelmen_amy/index.html

under the section itled “Forming Consciences: Thank You USCCB”.

Has anyone here had any previous experience with their voting guide?
 
I am not an expert.

I read the whole of the voters guide and the first 16 pages of the other. I have never heard of Mirror of Justice, but perhaps I have been living in a cave.

Differences I see.

-Writing style, one is more practical and easier to read.
-Mirror of Justice puts more emphasis, in an indirect way, on the war in Iraq (non-combatants) More emphasis on social justice.
-Mirror of Justice also talks of positive actions we can take compared to the voters guide which is primarily prohibitions.

Don’t know if I have helped.
 
You are right about more emphasis on social justice, and Ms. Uelmen seems to be saying that the US bishops take that side, and that it is contrary to what is contained in the VGfSC.

In addition to her blog entry, I located on the internet her article on the subject, and the fifth page of this article is what was handed out in my church.

law.fordham.edu/documents/rel-2Uelmen_LCJan08.pdf
 
The next thread down under social justice, Abortion,… has quite a lively discussion about social justice and intrinic evil, etc.
 
I have never heard of Mirror of Justice, but perhaps I have been living in a cave.
I guess we are both cave dwellers, because I had never heard of it either, until the administration of CAF started posting occasional entries from it. They label it “a generally-reliable Catholic source”, but encourage notifying them if something is amiss.
 
I guess I am the worst cave dweller of all.

It seems fairly simple to me; more simple than better-educated people than me make it out.

Abortion is the #1 “legal evil” in the U.S. It admits of no compromise. There is no clearer evil going on. Nothing, not the war, not welfare, not the economy, not anything even comes close in seriousness to one million murdered children per year.

If all Catholics voted against pro-abortion candidates, without exception, it would send a message that no candidate or party could ignore. No party can give up 20% of voters (Catholics) starting out, plus perhaps an equal number of Evangelicals and have any hope of winning.

If that happened, then the bishops could attack “evil #2” and so on down the line. No political party could possibly ignore that.

The problem is that the bishops have so many blurry positions that are subject to prudential judgment that it gets confusing and allows people to avoid seeing the obvious.

Until the worst evil is corrected, there is no point in worrying about lesser ones, because there will be no effective focus on any of them. Nor, because of the moral corruption that toleration of abortion engenders, will anybody truly care. If I am willing to see babies killed, what a liar I am to pretend compassion for someone who doesn’t have health insurance or who has a heavy tax burden!

I’m sorry to say it, but the continuation of abortion on demand in the U.S. lies squarely on the shoulders of U.S. Catholics. We could end it, but we don’t.
 
I recently received a voter’s guide inserted in my church bulletin, and it was not the “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. Instead, it was from the Focolare Movement. I feel unomfortable about it for some reason, but can’t quite put my finger on it. The writer of it expands on it in her blog here

mirrorofjustice.net/mirrorofjustice/uelmen_amy/index.html

under the section itled “Forming Consciences: Thank You USCCB”.

Has anyone here had any previous experience with their voting guide?
I have not heard of that movement. They just linked to the USCCB’s Faithful Citizenship guide.
usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/

This is the complete and official voting guide which covers all the diverse issues, not the artificially narrowed one like the CA “Serious Catholics” guide.

The USCCB guide is the preferred guide across the US in all dioceses and the vast majority of parishes, as it is produced by the Bishops and not a lay group. While long and detailed, it shows that voting is a very complicated process with many issues to consider.
 
This is the complete and official voting guide which covers all the diverse issues, not the artificially narrowed one like the CA “Serious Catholics” guide.
This has been my major concern with that guide as well. At the USCCB site, the Vatican’s doctrinal note on voting from 2002 is linked to as well.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html

The Doctrinal Note lists 9 examples of non negotiable principles (see #4) in voting. The CA guide lists 5, with only two complete overlaps. More concerning, having condensed the list it immediately makes recommendations that compromise on it (including abortion).

My outlook is similiar to Ridgerunner’s. Why should we compromise on intrinsic evil when we are already a significant portion of the population? Where I differ from Ridgerunner is his seeming assertion that intrinsic evil is a zero sum game, that we much prioritize and pick and choose. Again, I agree with the doctrinal note from Rome:
“In this context “limiting the harm”], it must be noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to vote for a political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental contents of faith and morals. The Christian faith is an integral unity, and thus it is incoherent to isolate some particular element to the detriment of the whole of Catholic doctrine. A political commitment to a single isolated aspect of the Church’s social doctrine does not exhaust one’s responsibility towards the common good. Nor can a Catholic think of delegating his Christian responsibility to others; rather, the Gospel of Jesus Christ gives him this task, so that the truth about man and the world might be proclaimed and put into action.”
If you compromise on the inalienable rights of the human person, you are undermining our Catholic teaching on abortion and right-to-life even as you attempt to do good. In other words, if you want to further your belief that something is non negotiable, do not negotiate on it!
 
OK, so we can’t ignore any of the 9 issues, which is what the CA guide does. Do the 9 all get the same weight? I have been generally giving weight to the abortion issue for a number of years. With 50 million since '73, I felt it got some weight over some of those 9. I know we have to be careful not to name names on this forum, but there is also the issue this time around regarding “post birth abortion”.
 
This has been my major concern with that guide as well. At the USCCB site, the Vatican’s doctrinal note on voting from 2002 is linked to as well.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20021124_politica_en.html

The Doctrinal Note lists 9 examples of non negotiable principles (see #4) in voting. The CA guide lists 5, with only two complete overlaps. More concerning, having condensed the list it immediately makes recommendations that compromise on it (including abortion).

My outlook is similiar to Ridgerunner’s. Why should we compromise on intrinsic evil when we are already a significant portion of the population? Where I differ from Ridgerunner is his seeming assertion that intrinsic evil is a zero sum game, that we much prioritize and pick and choose. Again, I agree with the doctrinal note from Rome:

If you compromise on the inalienable rights of the human person, you are undermining our Catholic teaching on abortion and right-to-life even as you attempt to do good. In other words, if you want to further your belief that something is non negotiable, do not negotiate on it!
A zero sum game? Never did I say that. But if anybody actually expects Catholics to support any other Catholic teaching in any other political application, the clearest, most obvious and most compelling is the one around which Catholics must first focus efforts. I persist in my belief that if Catholics cannot bring themselves to the most basic compassion, all other protestations of compassion are nothing but a lie.

It is the persistence in the great lie that prevents Catholics from both political and moral effectiveness. It is through this lie that Catholic politicians are enabled to get away with openly betraying that on which they claim their very souls depend. “Oh, I’m prolife”, they say, “I’m for universal healthcare” or “I’m for lower taxes for families” while theirs is the guilt for millions of destroyed children. It is as great a lie as has ever been told, and until the Churchmen in the U.S. declare clearly that it is a lie and that the guilt of murder is fully upon those who support abortion and those who support them, and that all protestations of charitable motivations on the part of those who support the greatest uncharity of all is just a lie, it’s voice can never be persuasive in any other way.

It may be that if U.S. churchmen finally tell the truth with crystal clarity and declare that the great lie is a lie, their credibility can be restored. Then, and only then, can they reasonably expect Catholics to listen to them in other ways.
 
OK, so we can’t ignore any of the 9 issues, which is what the CA guide does. Do the 9 all get the same weight? I have been generally giving weight to the abortion issue for a number of years. With 50 million since '73, I felt it got some weight over some of those 9. I know we have to be careful not to name names on this forum, but there is also the issue this time around regarding “post birth abortion”.
The Church has made it crystal clear that no issue or combination of issues trumps abotion.

From the USCCB Consciences for Faithful Citizenship:

Section 34:

“A Catholic cannot vote for a canidate who takes a postion in favor in an intrinsic evil such as abortion”

Then Cardinal Ratzinger:

“In the case of an intrinsically unjust law, such as a law permitting abortion or euthanasia, it is therefore never licit to obey it, or to 'take part in a propaganda campaign in favour of such a law or vote for it’” (no. 73). Christians have a "grave obligation of conscience not to cooperate formally in practices which, even if permitted by civil legislation, are contrary to God’s law. :

and

"Not all moral issues have the same moral weight as abortion and euthanasia. For example, if a Catholic were to be at odds with the Holy Father on the application of capital punishment or on the decision to wage war, he would not for that reason be considered unworthy to present himself to receive Holy Communion. While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia."

Archbishop Chaput:

Catholics have a duty to work tirelessly for human dignity at every stage of life, and to demand the same of their lawmakers. But some issues are jugular.** Some issues take priority**. Abortion, immigration law, international trade policy, the death penalty and housing for the poor are all vitally important issues. But no amount of calculating can make them equal in gravity.
The right to life comes first. It precedes and undergirds every other social issue or group of issues
. This is why Blessed John XXIII listed it as the first human right in his great encyclical on world peace, Pacem in Terris. And as the U.S. bishops stressed in their 1998 pastoral letter Living the Gospel of Life, the right to life is the foundation of every other right.

Bishop Wenski:

Today, some self-identified Catholic politicians prefer to emulate Pontius Pilate’s “personally opposed but unwilling to impose” stance. Perhaps, they are baiting the Church, daring an “official sanction” making them “bad Catholics”, so as to gain favor among up their secularist, “blue state” constituencies. Such a sanction might turn their lack of coherent Catholic convictions into a badge of courage for people who hold such convictions in contempt.

Rev John Meyers:

Catholics who publicly dissent from the Church’s teaching on the right to life of all unborn children should recognize that they have freely chosen by their own actions to separate themselves from what the Church believes and teaches. They have also separated themselves in a significant way from the Catholic community.

Bishop Carlson:

Opposition to abortion binds every Catholic under pain of mortal sin and admits of no exceptions.

**It was for this reason that I stated in October **
of 2000 that you cannot vote for a politician who is pro-abortion when you have a choice and remain a Catholic in good standing. For some Catholics this is a hard teaching, but I am simply repeating church teaching: “Human life is sacred because from the beginning it involves the creative action of God (Gospel of Life, par. 53)…the direct and voluntary killing of an innocent human being (abortion and euthanasia) is always gravely immoral (Gospel of Life, par. 57, 65)…protecting the mother’s health does not justify the deliberate killing of an innocent human being (Gospel of Life, par. 58).”

Bishop Burke:

22**. Within the considerations for the protection of human life, the protection of the life of the innocent and defenseless, and of the weak and the burdened must have primacy of place**. There can never be justification for directly and deliberately taking the life of those who indeed are “the least” (Matthew 25:45). Such an act is always evil in itself, intrinsically evil. Society, rather, is called to treasure its members who are weakest, in the eyes of the world.
  1. For that reason, our Holy Father reminds us that “[a]mong all the crimes which can be committed against life, procured abortion has characteristics making it particularly serious and deplorable” (Evangelium vitae, No. 58a). In treating the evil of procured abortion, our Holy Father concludes:

**
You will not find similar blanket condemnation of politicians or Catholics who support the Iraq war, support the Death penalty or disagree with the Church’s position on immigration. fighting poverty or disagree on any other social issue or issues that some claim are equally as important or more important than abortion.

**
 
Thanks estesbob. I think this must be why I felt uncomfortable with this stuff I’ve been reading from Amy Uelmen, whether I read it from the handout in church, or her mirror of justice blog, or her fordham download. Although she might be right about the CA guide being incomplete with only 5 of the 9 points, if I’m not mistaken, she is giving the 9 equal weight, and I don’t think I’m wrong to have a problem with that.
 
Thanks estesbob. I think this must be why I felt uncomfortable with this stuff I’ve been reading from Amy Uelmen, whether I read it from the handout in church, or her mirror of justice blog, or her fordham download. Although she might be right about the CA guide being incomplete with only 5 of the 9 points, if I’m not mistaken, she is giving the 9 equal weight, and I don’t think I’m wrong to have a problem with that.
I also thank you Estesbob. It is not only these publications that try to make all issues seem equal in weight. We also see that effort in here.
 
The way I see it, If all Catholics were to vote only for candidates who are solidy pro-life (meaning does not support abortion under any circumstance) whether they have a chance of winning or not, it would most certainly make politicians take note. Who has a chance of winning anyway is pure speculation based largely on who watches TV or not. I do not watch TV and am therefore not influenced by who is currently popular. My decision is based firstly on moral values. Therefore if a candidate supports an intrinsic evil, they are disqualified from my list. I cannot reconcile compromising with evil in favor of popularity.
On the other hand, if I were to vote for a popular candidate who supported a little bit of baby killing and at the end of election day, the candidate loses anyway, not only did I vote for the loser, but I would have compromised on an intrinsic evil as well. More importantly, I would have sent the message that supporting a little bit of abortion is okay to those running for office. The whole reason many of them do is for the very attempt at being popular. They reason, for instance, that if they support killing the unborn in certain rare cases, they will be popular with a larger crowd. Trading moral good for popularity. It goes with the mindset of “If you are going to run as pro-life, you need to at least support abortion in cases of rape or incest, that way you have a better chance of being elected, since more people will vote for you.” It is saying we don’t need to pay no mind to those “disposable” few who are conceived from rape or otherwise.
 
All true Estesbob and nice post BTW. Unfortunately, it will fall on many deaf ears who would rather push their politically motivated agenda to remove the present party and install the party who supports abortion under the guise they support ALL life.

All the while whining that we must not forget the 42 executions carried out in the US in 2007.

1,000,000,000 or 42.

How do these people justify this to themselves?:mad:
 
All true Estesbob and nice post BTW. Unfortunately, it will fall on many deaf ears who would rather push their politically motivated agenda to remove the present party and install the party who supports abortion under the guise they support ALL life.

All the while whining that we must not forget the 42 executions carried out in the US in 2007.

1,000,000,000 or 42.

How do these people justify this to themselves?:mad:
Additionally there are those who will go through strange mental contortions in order to justify voting for those who support killing the disposable or ‘unimportant’ minorty of unborn when doing such clearly contradicts Church teaching.
 
Additionally there are those who will go through strange mental contortions in order to justify voting for those who support killing the disposable or ‘unimportant’ minorty of unborn when doing such clearly contradicts Church teaching.
Are you claiming that those who voted for candidates who “support killing the disposable or ‘unimportant’ minority of unborn” children conceived through rape and incest went through “strange mental contortions in order to justify (their voting)?” Would you say that their voting for those candidates “clearly contradicts Church teaching.?”
 
All true Estesbob and nice post BTW. Unfortunately, it will fall on many deaf ears who would rather push their politically motivated agenda to remove the present party and install the party who supports abortion under the guise they support ALL life.

All the while whining that we must not forget the 42 executions carried out in the US in 2007.

1,000,000,000 or 42.

How do these people justify this to themselves?:mad:
When the Holy Father stood on our soil and asked that we end abortion and the death penalty, did you consider the latter part of that statement “whining?” Personally, I thought he was promoting a culture of life which views *all *human life as sacred.
 
If all Catholics voted against pro-abortion candidates, without exception, it would send a message that no candidate or party could ignore. No party can give up 20% of voters (Catholics) starting out, plus perhaps an equal number of Evangelicals and have any hope of winning.
True, but we don’t always get a clear choice between pro-abortion and pro-life candidates. In Michigan, we have a “devout Catholic” governor (at least that’s how she pandered to the Catholic electorate) who is pro-choice.

You’re right about the power we have as Catholic voters, but fail as a group to use.
 
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