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The group Catholic Answers Action (www.caaction.com) has come out with their “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. It gets distributed by the Knights of Columbus, which I am a local member of. In the guide they say it is never acceptable to vote for candidates who favor abortion, euthenasia, fetal stem cell research, cloneing and gay marriage. It states that these are non-negotiable issues and a Catholic can’t vote for a candidate who favors them unless all candidates favor them. It also states that war and the death penalty are not considered non-negotiable issues and Catholics can vote for candidates who favor them. This does not sound like “official” Catholic teaching to me, since our own Pope states that there are circumstances where a vote for candidates who favor these labeled “non-negotiable” issues is acceptable. And the Catholic bishops officially said it was not a sin to vote for a prochoice candidate if you voted for them because of issues other than their postition on abortion. These pamphlets look like political propaganda to me. Who are the people behind the Catholic Answers Action group? Are they misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church? What can a person do to stop this garbage from being distributed at our Church? Does the Catholic Church, itself, have a voters guide available for distribution and how is it available?
 
You appear to be talking about the voter’s guide that used to be put out by Catholic Answers (this site here with the forums). For various legal reasons, a separate entity was made to handle political action. But essentially, the voter’s guide you are talking about comes from HERE.
 
The Catholic Church acknoledges that there are circumstances where War and Capital Punishment may be used by the State.

As such, they are not forbidden, per se, and are thus ‘negotiable’.

Abortion, complete human cloning stem cell research that results in the death of the embryo, and gay marriage, on the other hand, are always evil. There is no exception, no cause that would make their use morally justifiable.

Pope Benedict, as Cardinal Ratzinger, that there are circumstance where a vote for a pro-choice canidate may be given, as long as there are ‘proportional reasons’.

There might, just might, be proportional reasons’ in the case of gay marriage; but there is no war being fought that could equal the death toll due to abortion, or the proposed death toll for embryonic stem cell research.
 
The group Catholic Answers Action (www.caaction.com) has come out with their “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. It gets distributed by the Knights of Columbus, which I am a local member of. In the guide they say it is never acceptable to vote for candidates who favor abortion, euthenasia, fetal stem cell research, cloneing and gay marriage. It states that these are non-negotiable issues and **a Catholic can’t vote for a candidate who favors them unless all candidates favor them. ** It also states that war and the death penalty are not considered non-negotiable issues and Catholics can vote for candidates who favor them. This does not sound like “official” Catholic teaching to me, since our own Pope states that there are circumstances where a vote for candidates who favor these labeled “non-negotiable” issues is acceptable. And the Catholic bishops officially said it was not a sin to vote for a prochoice candidate if you voted for them because of issues other than their postition on abortion. These pamphlets look like political propaganda to me. Who are the people behind the Catholic Answers Action group? Are they misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church? What can a person do to stop this garbage from being distributed at our Church? Does the Catholic Church, itself, have a voters guide available for distribution and how is it available?
How is anyone going to “know” who you voted for? Unless of course, you tell them. I never vote a straight ticket…and I don’t vote for or against anyone based on an endorsement from anyone. That is why I am an American.
 
How is anyone going to “know” who you voted for? Unless of course, you tell them. I never vote a straight ticket…and I don’t vote for or against anyone based on an endorsement from anyone. That is why I am an American.
Ditto
 
why Joey…I am shocked :eek: you agreed with me on something. 😃

I am not one to mix religion with politics…last time that happened people got burned at the stake.

To the OP, take the voters guide, read it, and then…think for yourself.
 
why Joey…I am shocked :eek: you agreed with me on something. 😃

I am not one to mix religion with politics…last time that happened people got burned at the stake.

To the OP, take the voters guide, read it, and then…think for yourself.
I am more liberal than I appear to be.
 
You appear to be talking about the voter’s guide that used to be put out by Catholic Answers (this site here with the forums). For various legal reasons, a separate entity was made to handle political action. But essentially, the voter’s guide you are talking about comes from HERE.
Wow, sort of like waking up and realizing you are in the belly of the beast.
 
How is anyone going to “know” who you voted for? Unless of course, you tell them. I never vote a straight ticket…and I don’t vote for or against anyone based on an endorsement from anyone. That is why I am an American.
So your Faith does not impact your vote at all?
 
The group Catholic Answers Action (www.caaction.com) has come out with their “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. It gets distributed by the Knights of Columbus, which I am a local member of. In the guide they say it is never acceptable to vote for candidates who favor abortion, euthenasia, fetal stem cell research, cloneing and gay marriage. It states that these are non-negotiable issues and a Catholic can’t vote for a candidate who favors them unless all candidates favor them. It also states that war and the death penalty are not considered non-negotiable issues and Catholics can vote for candidates who favor them. This does not sound like “official” Catholic teaching to me, since our own Pope states that there are circumstances where a vote for candidates who favor these labeled “non-negotiable” issues is acceptable. And the Catholic bishops officially said it was not a sin to vote for a prochoice candidate if you voted for them because of issues other than their postition on abortion. These pamphlets look like political propaganda to me. Who are the people behind the Catholic Answers Action group? Are they misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church? What can a person do to stop this garbage from being distributed at our Church? Does the Catholic Church, itself, have a voters guide available for distribution and how is it available?
No, they are not misrepresenting the teachings of the church. They are orthodox and faithful.

You can only vote for a pro-choice for proportionate reasons.

An example would go like this:

There are two candidates. Both are pro-choice. One is for euthanasia, one is not. You should cast your vote for the one that will render less harm. That is the Catholic teaching on this and that is what the CAA voter’s guide says.

As far as war and capital punishment goes the Church allows for them.

Legitimate defense:

Legitimate defense
2263 The legitimate defense of persons and societies is not an exception to the prohibition against the murder of the innocent that constitutes intentional killing. "The act of self-defense can have a double effect: the preservation of one’s own life; and the killing of the aggressor. . . . The one is intended, the other is not."65
2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow:

If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful. . . . Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.66 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community entrusted to their responsibility.
2266 The efforts of the state to curb the spread of behavior harmful to people’s rights and to the basic rules of civil society correspond to the requirement of safeguarding the common good. Legitimate public authority has the right and duty to inflict punishment proportionate to the gravity of the offense. Punishment has the primary aim of redressing the disorder introduced by the offense. When it is willingly accepted by the guilty party, it assumes the value of expiation. Punishment then, in addition to defending public order and protecting people’s safety, has a medicinal purpose: as far as possible, it must contribute to the correction of the guilty party.67
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[2267](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/2267.htm’)😉 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.
Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity "are very rare, if not practically nonexistent."68
 
The group Catholic Answers Action (www.caaction.com) has come out with their “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics”. It gets distributed by the Knights of Columbus, which I am a local member of. In the guide they say it is never acceptable to vote for candidates who favor abortion, euthenasia, fetal stem cell research, cloneing and gay marriage. It states that these are non-negotiable issues and a Catholic can’t vote for a candidate who favors them unless all candidates favor them. It also states that war and the death penalty are not considered non-negotiable issues and Catholics can vote for candidates who favor them. This does not sound like “official” Catholic teaching to me, since our own Pope states that there are circumstances where a vote for candidates who favor these labeled “non-negotiable” issues is acceptable. And the Catholic bishops officially said it was not a sin to vote for a prochoice candidate if you voted for them because of issues other than their postition on abortion. These pamphlets look like political propaganda to me. Who are the people behind the Catholic Answers Action group? Are they misrepresenting the teachings of the Catholic Church? What can a person do to stop this garbage from being distributed at our Church? Does the Catholic Church, itself, have a voters guide available for distribution and how is it available?
The Catholic Answers Voter guide is very much in line with Catholic teaching. Can you tell us what specifically you take offense with?
 
So your Faith does not impact your vote at all?
I never cease to be amazed at how some folks can go thru such mental gyrations so as to come up with the answer they want. I do believe that the Church has been very specific on many of the issues covered in voter guides put out by reputable sources. Don’t know if some don’t want to adhere to the teachings of the Church or whether they are so party blind that they cannot see.
 
I never cease to be amazed at how some folks can go thru such mental gyrations so as to come up with the answer they want. I do believe that the Church has been very specific on many of the issues covered in voter guides put out by reputable sources. Don’t know if some don’t want to adhere to the teachings of the Church or whether they are so party blind that they cannot see.
It all comes down to a simple question-“does your Faith form your politics or does your politics form your Faith”? For Catholics the answer should be the former.
 
So your Faith does not impact your vote at all?
Well, let’s see, we had Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush and now W. And the main reason the voters guide came out was for one particular issue. Since abortion was made legal…there have more Republicans in the White House than Democrats. Which tells me, it really doesn’t make a difference.

As for my faith, I remember that USA is made up of many faiths and many people of those particular faiths. When I vote for a candidate it is based on how he/she will serve all the people impartially without regard to their religion. I do look at different issues and I also examine track records. I watch how local and state elections are done, then I look at the Presidential candidates. I look within, and move outwards.

I also find it amazing that the only Catholic president elected was a Democrat, and it almost happened again 1968. Would I then assume that RvW would have never gone through? No, I wouldn’t assume that…because the President serves all the people of the US, not just the Catholics.

Keep in mind why the Iraqi’s are fighting each other…it’s not about land…it’s about religion.

Which reinforces the idea of separation of church and state. I can read the voters guide, I can read websites on the candidates, I can watch political mudslinging ads on tv, ad naseum…but in the end, at the voting booth, I am the one pushing the button to cast my vote.
 
I will further add:

Since Roe vs Wade is law and it is very unlikely it will be overturned before Christ comes back, the whether or not a candidate is pro-choice or pro-life is a dead point.

A pro-choice candidate can’t do anything to further Roe vs Wade issue.

A pro-life candidate can’t do anything to overturn Roe vs Wade.

So one has to look at present and future issues that they can change and/or influence to change.

Iraq was a huge mistake.

The life of mine or your Son and/or Daughter is not worth a democracy in Iraq.

Statistics from iraqbodycount.org/

43850 to 48693 Iraqi Civilians have died because of our Invasion.

6,331 from 1st May 2003 to the first anniversary of the invasion, 19th March 2004 (324 days: Year 1)

11,312 from 20th March 2004 to 19th March 2005 (365 days: Year 2)

12,617 from 20th March 2005 to 1st March 2006 (346 days: Year 3).

Currently at least 13590 since March 2006

In terms of average violent deaths per day this represents:

In terms of average violent deaths per day this represents:

20 per day in Year 1.
31 per day in Year 2.
36 per day in Year 3.
Currently 64 per day.
“Change the channel”
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt’s advice to Iraqis who see TV images of innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.
U.S. Deaths Confirmed By The DoD: 2730
Reported U.S. Deaths Pending DoD Confirmation: 18
Total 2748
DoD Confirmation List

Have you had enough?
 
Well, let’s see, we had Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Reagan, Bush and now W. And the main reason the voters guide came out was for one particular issue. Since abortion was made legal…there have more Republicans in the White House than Democrats. Which tells me, it really doesn’t make a difference.

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Nonsense, There have been HUGE gains in limiting abortion in this country in the last 30 years-all because of duly elected pro-life officials passing laws that restrict it in every way that is Constitutional and such laws being upheld by judges appointed by pro-life Governors and Presidents. We are very very close to seeing Roe V Wade overturned IF Republicans remain in control for a few more election cycles.

In fact abortion would have ended in this county long ago if not for the multitude of “Catholics” who put their politics ahead of the life of Innocent children. . When you vote for a pro-abortion candidate end up with blood on your hands no matter how hard you try to rationalize it.
 
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