Voting based on one issue - Abortion

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Publisher said:
We are assuming that the canidate who “opposes” abortion truly does, IMO it is simply a smoke screen to keep the conservatives polarized…IMO he has no vested interest in truly getting any anti-abortion laws passed…with that you may disagree, but I do not vote in light of your opinions, I vote by what I believe is true and probable…the killing of children is evil…I do not embrace your opinion that abortion is murder. I accept a womans choice…no matter how deeply I disagree with that choice, but it is her choice and her’s alone…while I realize this will polarize us even further, it is what I believe, and I am not alone in that belief…even many American Catholics hold to that position, even against their own church.

The Republican party has no desire to remove abortion from public life…they would then have no polarizing platform…it is a “hot” issue that will get them votes…Roe v. Wade has not been overturned since it’s inception…and we have had many Republican years for it to happen…but it has not occured nor is it likely to happen any time soon…that is truth.
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Ahh the truth becomes clear. You believe that killing babies is okay and that Bush doesn’t really want to stop the baby killing, therefore you are free in good conscience to vote for the pro-abortion candidate.
 
BobP123 said:
Question 1: Is someone who votes against abortion except in the case of rape or incest really considered pro-life?
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Yes-by most they are. However keep in mind that we are talking about less than 1/10 of 1% of all abortions.
Question 2: If a third party candidate is the only one against abortion in all cases (and you can throw in against artifical contraception as well), would you still be obligated to vote for him/her?
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No-you are not required to vote for anyone.
 
estesbob said:
OK-you’re pro-abortion. That explains everything. Thanks for clearing it up.
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No, I am not “pro-abortion”, I am “pro choice” it is not my choice, but then I am in no position to have an abortion…I choose to place the choice and responsibility in the hands of the woman…Pro-choice but against abortion.
 
Sure said:
Ahh the truth becomes clear. You believe that killing babies is okay and that Bush doesn’t really want to stop the baby killing, therefore you are free in good conscience to vote for the pro-abortion candidate.
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My dear, the truth has always been clear, it is simply something you disagree with.
 
Publisher said:
No, I am not “pro-abortion”, I am “pro choice” it is not my choice, but then I am in no position to have an abortion…I choose to place the choice and responsibility in the hands of the woman…Pro-choice but against abortion.
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Of course you are pro-abortion. You support the laws making it legal and you vote for canidates who support it. I am always amazed at those who think its permissable to kill children try to hide the fact by claiming they are only supporting the rights of other people to kill their children.
 
estesbob said:
Yes-by most they are. However keep in mind that we are talking about less than 1/10 of 1% of all abortions.
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I’m not too sure about that figure. These days it seems that the laws can easily be stretched to show there was rape involved in almost every sex act. But I agree with you on the surface at least. If one is for further limiting abortions, then I would consider him/her pro-life. One who loosens restrictions is the opposite.
 
Publisher said:
No, I am not “pro-abortion”, I am “pro choice” it is not my choice, but then I am in no position to have an abortion…I choose to place the choice and responsibility in the hands of the woman…Pro-choice but against abortion.
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In the same way that a person could say, “I am opposed to killing Jews, but I respect the choice of others who choose to kill Jews.”
 
BobP123 said:
Not as impeccable as Congressman Ron Paul’s.
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Why? How is Ron Paul better?

Also, I think it’s very clear that Ron Paul will not be winning the republican nomination, but Thompson has a real chance. He is probably the best hope of having a viable pro-life candidate in the presidential race.
 
Publisher said:
The Republican party has no desire to remove abortion from public life…they would then have no polarizing platform…it is a “hot” issue that will get them votes…Roe v. Wade has not been overturned since it’s inception…and we have had many Republican years for it to happen…but it has not occured nor is it likely to happen any time soon…that is truth.
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No, that is opinion, and largely based on what dems (Kathleen Kennedy Townsend in her new and smelly book, for example) are trotting out in the run up to the next election.

The sooner R v Wade is overturned the better: that is truth.

Five RC justices, and counting…
 
Publisher said:
No, I am not “pro-abortion”, I am “pro choice” it is not my choice, but then I am in no position to have an abortion…I choose to place the choice and responsibility in the hands of the woman…Pro-choice but against abortion.
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That is a know-nothing position which absolves the ignoramus of moral reflection and responsibility.

God bless.
 
BobP123 said:
I’m not too sure about that figure. These days it seems that the laws can easily be stretched to show there was rape involved in almost every sex act. But I agree with you on the surface at least. If one is for further limiting abortions, then I would consider him/her pro-life. One who loosens restrictions is the opposite.
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That was the problem when states tried a rape exception, Logically the laws were written that one would have to have filed a rape charge to use this exception but the pro-abortion forces complained that this was violating the women’s privacy and that if they woman said she was raped you had to to take her word for it. Of course It completely destroyed the lawsbut then the court struck them down because of Roe V Wade anyway.
 
Sure said:
Why? How is Ron Paul better?

Also, I think it’s very clear that Ron Paul will not be winning the republican nomination, but Thompson has a real chance. He is probably the best hope of having a viable pro-life candidate in the presidential race.
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Well, good luck then. 🙂

But remember one thing. Since Kennedy, no Senator has been elected to the White House.
 
RhyannaRose said:
Question - Would you guys vote for someone whose ideas on the war on terror or Iraq were completely opposite from yours just because they were pro-life.
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Strange as it might seem but I have not had to make this choice. Those that are pro life have tended to hold conservative values. Now if you are talking about immigration (most pro life people agree with legal law abiding immigration) and safety for all families I have had no trouble finding candidates that hold to these moral beliefs. They do not always win but they can count on my vote.
 
This discussion has been very enlightening…I will hold you all in the Light as we each seek to serve our God and country.

May the peace of Christ be in each heart.
 
Publisher said:
So another question, is the Catholic church against voting according to one’s conscience?

I seek to vote according to the best understanding of the issues…Bush is a candidate who I know from present experience seeks to wage war on other nations,after we were threatened and attacked has no concern for those children living among us now is against infanticide, has little or no concern for the elderly living among us now does not support euthanasia, has little or no concern for the poor living among us now has not vetoed any social bill or reduced social security, who’s “campaign promises” are empty as he has no real desire to “reduce abortions” has nominated originality judges that would do away with abortion laws as then he would have no platform on which to sway the conservative vote, which in my opinion he really is giving lip service to keep this a “hot” item and has no real concern for the “unborn” I personally don’t need motives just results in this matter, then if I truly believe that Kerry can help the elderly euthanasia, the poor taxes on the poor will rise with the repeal of the Bush cuts, provide health care and keep our nation from war only congress can declare war or stop it, and even though he may not give lip service to truly being against abortion he has publicly stated that it will never be eliminated if he is elected, but perhaps be more honest in the way he states his position…then I don’t see how I could not vote for Kerry instead of Bush…according to my conscience…

Does that answer your question? I am not a single issue voter…and while none of the candidates truly appeal to me…I would choose the lesser of two evils death to the unborn, new born and elderly is never the lesser of two evils IMHO…and even the lesser of “possible evils”…as I do not truly believe Bush has any intention of reducing abortions but he has and the states are looking toward the changes in the Supreme Court to uphold their limits and bans, but merely panders to “conservatives.”…and it appears to succeed.
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See people can always find a reason to vote for things they want. In my perfect world everyone will have all their needs and wants provided. In my opinion and it seems that of many others the place is called “HEAVEN”.

Medical and social issues should be left to society and not BIG GOVERNMENT. Life is not fair.
 
BobP123 said:
Question 1: Is someone who votes against abortion except in the case of rape or incest really considered pro-life?

Question 2: If a third party candidate is the only one against abortion in all cases (and you can throw in against artifical contraception as well), would you still be obligated to vote for him/her?
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If I could truly find someone like (2) that then yes I would vote for him/her. I would also shout from the rooftops that this person was running and pray that ALL pro life voters would also vote this way.👍
 
KathleenElsie said:
See people can always find a reason to vote for things they want. In my perfect world everyone will have all their needs and wants provided. In my opinion and it seems that of many others the place is called “HEAVEN”.

While “heaven” is a hope I share, it is not an important to me as this life is…I would like to see a world free of war and abortion and murder and theft…we each seek to build a life and world where at least these things are possible…I’d like to see a world where no woman had to even make a choice to abort a pregnancy…I’d like to see those who claim to follow the Light Within live in that virtue of life which takes the occasion of war, hate, bigotry, and all the other ills of society. It is that end that I seek to live my life and share n the sufferiing of Christ…and sometimes it is much suffering indeed.

Medical and social issues should be left to society and not BIG GOVERNMENT.** Life is not fair**.
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Life is not fair, and none of the issues that polarize us into “conservative” “progressive” “liberal” can be answered in one fell swoop of legislation…it is more than abortion or war or imperialism…these are but symptoms of living outside the Light…we each must decide how to build a world where these things do not occur or separate us…you may disagree on how I see it implemented…but focusing on a single issue, even one as important as abortion or war, will not alleviate the suffering and pain of abortion and war.

I look to a better world in the here and now…I might do so in a very imperfect way…but I will work for a better world…and sacrifices will be made…pain will be endured…our “fallen” humanity will one day embrace the Light in full measure…each of us will work toward that day…sometimes even it would seem against one another…I have no doubt that most of you also want this better world…but we are at odds on how to achieve it…you’re right…life isn’t fair…in a perfect world, we would not be separated…but in this world we are and the thing we truly share is “that of God” in each of us…I will continue to seek to speak to that of God in each of you…and perhaps, who knows, you may speak to the Light in me that may change my mind on some issues…but it’s not a single issue that causes this world’s pain…it’s many…abortion, bigotry, war are all connected in one way or another.
 
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