Voting Pro-life

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So I am from Michigan and the Republican candidate that is running for Governor is not prolife and has actually donated a lot of money to help fund stem cell research. And I don’t want another Dem in office, so there is no option there. Do I not vote this November? What are my moral obligations??
 
Is there a 3rd party candidate? An option to write-in?
These are both viable options.
 
I believe in this case, you are OK to vote for the “lesser of two evils”- that is, you could even vote for a pro-choice candidate if he is *less *pro-choice than the alternative. Some restrictions on abortion are better than none.
 
Since both candidates are no the pro-life candidates that you want, would you be comfortable voting for the candidate that next best matches your values?
 
Mamanurse said:
So I am from Michigan and the Republican candidate that is running for Governor is not prolife and has actually donated a lot of money to help fund stem cell research. And I don’t want another Dem in office, so there is no option there. Do I not vote this November? What are my moral obligations??
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I agree with the lesser of two evils post. Considering that the Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly. Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point, it’s going to be decided by the courts eventually.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues (the Vatican released updated mortal sins a couple of years ago related to the environment), probably against social justice issues for the poor etc…

Truly if you look at the teachings of the Church the only reason anyone would ever vote Republican is because of life issues, in almost every other area they go against the teachings of the Church… considering most really haven’t done anything but say they are pro life that doesn’t give us much. Especially since they have been in office twice as long as the Dems since RvW and put most of the Judges on the Bench as well… considering that abortions went up under GWB after going down under Clinton… why would anyone vote Republican at all?

Just a thought…
 
I live in Michigan, too.

When both candidates are not prolife, I believe that cancels out that issue. Now I look to other issues to decide who to vote for.

In our case, the Republican candidate was a successful businessman. The Democratic candidate is a lifelong politician. Everytime I hear him speak, I think there is no way I will be voting for him. He is more of what we already have. No thanks.

Another option would be to write in a pro-life person, but I think that would amount to nothing and you would be throwing your vote away.
 
Mamanurse said:
So I am from Michigan and the Republican candidate that is running for Governor is not prolife and has actually donated a lot of money to help fund stem cell research. And I don’t want another Dem in office, so there is no option there. Do I not vote this November? What are my moral obligations??
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There’s a thread about his very issue over in Social Justice I think. I would not vote. There needs to be an option on every ballot that reads:

—The candidates are unacceptable. If this selection receives a majority, a new election with new candidates will take place in 3-6 months. The current position holder will remain in office until an acceptable candidate is found.

I rarely vote because the people running have ideologies that are quite warped.
 
jwashu said:
I agree with the lesser of two evils post. Considering that the Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly. Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point, it’s going to be decided by the courts eventually.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues (the Vatican released updated mortal sins a couple of years ago related to the environment), probably against social justice issues for the poor etc…

Truly if you look at the teachings of the Church the only reason anyone would ever vote Republican is because of life issues, in almost every other area they go against the teachings of the Church… considering most really haven’t done anything but say they are pro life that doesn’t give us much. Especially since they have been in office twice as long as the Dems since RvW and put most of the Judges on the Bench as well… considering that abortions went up under GWB after going down under Clinton… why would anyone vote Republican at all?

Just a thought…
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I honestly have never met a catholic who didn’t vote republican…I guess I dont’ know what the heck you are talking about. 🤷 This is definitely a first for me to hear that the Dems are more in line with the catholic church…:confused:
 
Considering how much power politicians have and will continue to wield over children’s lives in the womb and the family I cannot vote for any candidate that will not protect children’s lives or the family. Ever. Again. I did for a couple years but I realized, heck,** they’ll both evil, not the lesser of two evils**. Both evil. And I will not vote for someone who is not good and holy. Which unfortunately means I must research the other candidates more who don’t stand a chance but oh well. I will not contribute to helping the country become God-forsaken.
 
illmatic said:
Vote for the Democrat and don’t be a tory scumbag.
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Why would I waste my vote on a Dem who is also pro-choice, which is the question I am asking? If I am going to vote for the lesser of the two evils, it will only be a Republican.
 
jwashu said:
I agree with the lesser of two evils post. Considering that the Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly. Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point, it’s going to be decided by the courts eventually.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues (the Vatican released updated mortal sins a couple of years ago related to the environment), probably against social justice issues for the poor etc…

Truly if you look at the teachings of the Church the only reason anyone would ever vote Republican is because of life issues, in almost every other area they go against the teachings of the Church… considering most really haven’t done anything but say they are pro life that doesn’t give us much. Especially since they have been in office twice as long as the Dems since RvW and put most of the Judges on the Bench as well… considering that abortions went up under GWB after going down under Clinton… why would anyone vote Republican at all?

Just a thought…
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Whoa, hard to know where to start…

…Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly.

Socialism is not a church teaching. Forcibly taking from me to give to you is not a teaching of the Church. We are to give because of our faith and works in grace. Having a life line for those in need is different from socialist programs that determine by force what we give. Besides how many of those so called compassionate Dems give to charity and how much? Darn little.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues…

Against the fraud undertaken by our biggest carbon footprint frauds, yes. The death penalty is not against church teaching. Besides those who have have been given the death penalty were found guilty of taking a human life. Pro adult stem cell research is a yes.
  • Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point,*
Except for abortion (the murder of the innocent), embryonic stem cell research (yet more murder), gay (homosexual) marriage, not marriage at all but a sham. Those exceptions look pretty big to me.

If abortions went up under GWB (and that is entirely possible) it is not because he is a Republican.

It seems to me the biggest issue you have is how can I safely vote for a Democrat and still be a practicing Catholic in good standing?
 
Honest pro-life people can have legitamate disagreements on the OP’s delima. I face that fact every 6 years when our GOP senator runs for re-election. I choose not to vote in that race. Although I would rather have a Rep than a democrat, I am a single-issue voter. As such, I do not vote for pro-life republicans.
 
Mamanurse said:
So I am from Michigan and the Republican candidate that is running for Governor is not prolife and has actually donated a lot of money to help fund stem cell research. And I don’t want another Dem in office, so there is no option there. Do I not vote this November? What are my moral obligations??
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Is there a third candidate who is pro-life? If so then I think that has to be your vote.

Otherwise, I think it comes down to which candidate will do the least harm to our non-negotiatble issues (abortion, defense of marriage, etc.). Which in the end is probably always the Republican, but that’s your call to make.
 
The broad responsibilities of elected officials make their selection an important matter for all citizens. Pro life issues are but a small part of government administration.

National defense, education, public health, civil and criminal law, and environmental regulation are a few of the other things government does.

We are remiss if we limit ourselves to one issue, even if it is an important one, in our selection of candidates for public office.
 
Magickman said:
The broad responsibilities of elected officials make their selection an important matter for all citizens. Pro life issues are but a small part of government administration.

National defense, education, public health, civil and criminal law, and environmental regulation are a few of the other things government does.

We are remiss if we limit ourselves to one issue, even if it is an important one, in our selection of candidates for public office.
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I disagree. One can be active in issues in ways beyond the vote. One can also take the position that anyone who is on the wrong side of the abortion debate, has been so blatantly and negatively affected by modern day errors, that they are simply not qualified to govern. You simply cannot trust their judgement on any issue, if they are wrong about the big one.

Once again, I am not saying that all pro-life people should take my point of view, so just give me the same type of courtesy.
 
Miriam1947 said:
Whoa, hard to know where to start…

…Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly.

Socialism is not a church teaching. Forcibly taking from me to give to you is not a teaching of the Church. We are to give because of our faith and works in grace. Having a life line for those in need is different from socialist programs that determine by force what we give. Besides how many of those so called compassionate Dems give to charity and how much? Darn little.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues…

Against the fraud undertaken by our biggest carbon footprint frauds, yes. The death penalty is not against church teaching. Besides those who have have been given the death penalty were found guilty of taking a human life. Pro adult stem cell research is a yes.
  • Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point,*
Except for abortion (the murder of the innocent), embryonic stem cell research (yet more murder), gay (homosexual) marriage, not marriage at all but a sham. Those exceptions look pretty big to me.

If abortions went up under GWB (and that is entirely possible) it is not because he is a Republican.

It seems to me the biggest issue you have is how can I safely vote for a Democrat and still be a practicing Catholic in good standing?
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THANK YOU!!!👍
 
Magickman said:
The broad responsibilities of elected officials make their selection an important matter for all citizens. Pro life issues are but a small part of government administration.

National defense, education, public health, civil and criminal law, and environmental regulation are a few of the other things government does.

We are remiss if we limit ourselves to one issue, even if it is an important one, in our selection of candidates for public office.
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I have to disagree also. If the proposed candidate cannot respect the smallest of all human beings, then why would I trust that person who would allow and encourage women to do whatever the heck they want. No…if the person I vote is not prolife, then I will not be voting at all. To me, voting for a pro-life candidate is THE most important issue. I truly believe that if we all learn to fight harder for those who cannot fight for themselves we could make leaps and bounds on some of the other issues. Its all about respect IMO.
 
jwashu said:
I agree with the lesser of two evils post. Considering that the Democrat is probably much more in line with most of the fiscal policies of the Church perhaps you shouldn’t write them off so quickly. Most Democrats fall in line with the teachings of the Church except for abortion and stem cell research as gay marriage is really a moot point, it’s going to be decided by the courts eventually.

So if the Republican is not pro-life, and pro stem cell, they are probably also pro death penalty, against environmental issues (the Vatican released updated mortal sins a couple of years ago related to the environment), probably against social justice issues for the poor etc…

Truly if you look at the teachings of the Church the only reason anyone would ever vote Republican is because of life issues, in almost every other area they go against the teachings of the Church… considering most really haven’t done anything but say they are pro life that doesn’t give us much. Especially since they have been in office twice as long as the Dems since RvW and put most of the Judges on the Bench as well… considering that abortions went up under GWB after going down under Clinton… why would anyone vote Republican at all?

Just a thought…
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WELL SAID!!! 👍

I’ve long said that the Republican Party has no interest in once and for all banning abortion or any of the other “life issues” because they know that the moment they do, their fiscal policies would force Christians to the Democratic Party.
 
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