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I know. But i feel i might as well say it know before it becomes a criminal offense to take Bush’s name in vain.
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Oh, they are being used but no private money is going to it anymore because it has been proved to be a false hope. There have been exactly 0 cures, treatments, etc from embryonic stem cells. However, adult stem cells have yielded 73 cures, treatments, etc. It is better to put your money on a winning horse than on the loser. And this is just a utilitarian view. The moral issues is that you cannot directly intend the death of innocent human life. Humans are not a commodity.
Ah … look at the South Africa, Japan, China (which just admitted an AIDS epidemic the scope of Africa), The United States nearly every country that has tried to fight disease with condoms. This is opposed to Uganda which has a more comprehensive plan with the center piece being abstinence. This is all well documented. Not only that but the increase in the use of contraceptives also increases the number of abortions which is also a moral evil.
I would say that in this war the killing of non-combatants is minimal. It is not like we are carpet bombing the cities like in World War II. I don’t know where you are stationed, however, my ex-girlfriend is in Baghdad at this very moment building and modernizing the infrastructure as a civil engineer for the Air Force. Your perception seems a little short sighted and too narrow.
Irrelevant. The way this nation works is that we elect our leaders and then we follow them. Now you can try to elect your own candidates in the next election cycle but until then it is silly to maintain this “I didn’t vote for him” mentality that was a recent invention by the DNC to disparage Bush '41 after his election.
Yes, I too remember the voting inconsistencies. I remember very vividly here in New Mexico that about 3 weeks after the election we found in a closet enough uncounted ballots to turn this state from blue to red. If we want to talk voter fraud your party does not have a leg to stand on.
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True, but again that is only what we found. If you were old enough to remember the First Gulf War we learned that the previous regime was a master at hiding things. Every intelligence institution in the world all agreed with the intelligence that we had. I don’t think that we can be faulted for that if it was a unanamous understanding. Even the French intelligence agreed with ours.
So, freedom is not a sufficient reason for you?
Also, you can only be put in the brigg if you make public statements against policy while in uniform. The UCMJ is very clear on what can and cannot be done in or out of uniform.
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nydas
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Naw, i was still in diapers. However my dad was there during the firstd gulf war.
Ours? Or theres? Bush has/is threatining our freedoms more then Sadam ever could have. And if your talking about there freedom, weel if they dont want it, its not our place to force freedom onto them.
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For some reason I had a feeling that was the case. I am myself young but you sounded a bit younger.
How is the President harming our freedoms? I sure haven’t felt it. In fact after the tax cuts I feel a bit more free.
Also, you should know that the “if they don’t want it” argument is flawed because there are plenty of people there that do. Remember that only one third of the population of the colonies wanted to break with England. It is not about a majority of people wanting something but rather it is a matter of what is right.
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Ill admit. Im a youngin, only 19.
Well, the Patriat Act for starters.
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” - Benjamin Franklin.
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The suspension of human rights is the one right that we should never ever give up. Hitler and Nazism is the prime example of what happens when anyone with enough gall and will power goes that route. Hitler started with just a small minority party. But with a few thugs and ruthless murderers managed to subvert an entire country.
Germany had laws in place just as we do, The first thing Hitler did was suspend due process and rig the elections by intimidation and murdering opposing candidates and viewpoints…
We are not invulnerable to such tactics. Mckain had it right when he convinced a bunch of generals to force Bush into restoring basic prisoners rights. This president should be impeached not for lying but for subverting the very constitution that he vowed to uphold. The fact that he most probably lied to get us into a war that made us a first time aggressor is bad enough, but to allow torture and violate peoples rights is inexcusable.
To the world we are no longer any better than our enemies, and that in itself is a huge victory for the terrorists. The world sees us as no better than a bunch of thugs and bullies. The incidents in Abu Grave and Guantanamo are a public disgrace and embarassment. No american in the right mind would ever say they are proud of these two images of American mistreatment of prisoners. They make us look as bad as the Nazis ever did.
America and Americans have never looked worse in our entire history. This president has single handedly destroyed our national image. Bush should have been removed from office long ago, and the fact that he remains makes our system of govenmert look equally bad.
With a president with approval ratings in the low 30’s and a Republican congress with approval ratings in the teens !!! Who in their right mind would ever vote Republican. Only because Democrats are almost equally stupid, are the races in so many states so close.
Germany had laws in place just as we do, The first thing Hitler did was suspend due process and rig the elections by intimidation and murdering opposing candidates and viewpoints…
We are not invulnerable to such tactics. Mckain had it right when he convinced a bunch of generals to force Bush into restoring basic prisoners rights. This president should be impeached not for lying but for subverting the very constitution that he vowed to uphold. The fact that he most probably lied to get us into a war that made us a first time aggressor is bad enough, but to allow torture and violate peoples rights is inexcusable.
To the world we are no longer any better than our enemies, and that in itself is a huge victory for the terrorists. The world sees us as no better than a bunch of thugs and bullies. The incidents in Abu Grave and Guantanamo are a public disgrace and embarassment. No american in the right mind would ever say they are proud of these two images of American mistreatment of prisoners. They make us look as bad as the Nazis ever did.
America and Americans have never looked worse in our entire history. This president has single handedly destroyed our national image. Bush should have been removed from office long ago, and the fact that he remains makes our system of govenmert look equally bad.
With a president with approval ratings in the low 30’s and a Republican congress with approval ratings in the teens !!! Who in their right mind would ever vote Republican. Only because Democrats are almost equally stupid, are the races in so many states so close.
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For a teenager, most of your ideas are on target.
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Well thank you. I have a lot of free time here in Iraq so most of my time is spent reading up on current events.Whats sad is ive learned more about our political system and how the country works the last 2 years then i ever have in school. I give most of my thanks to websites like:
www.digg.com
www.wikipedia.org
www.bbc.co.uk/news
These 3 websites have taught me more then Social Studys ever did. How sad is that…
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I have yet to see anything in the Patriot Act that limits my freedom. I know it limits the freedom of criminals - mostly terrorists and those who support terrorism - however, I have yet to meet a single person who has been impeded in their day to day life by the Patriot Act.
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It’s only right because they won… does breaking away from England really justify all that violence killing and bloodshed ???
England eventually became democratic anyway.
The thing is “most” Iraqis want us out of there now. AND they are starting to claim, we are the ones who are blowing up civilians. IF we are trying to give them democracy, shouldn’t THEIR majority vote, guide how THEIR country is run.
They don’t want us there, then we should not be there. It is really that simple.
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Go ask a few of the folks who were/are in Guantanamo
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You know what i find disgusting? That Clinton gets impecahed for lying about an affair, yet when Bush lies and kills thousands, nothing happens. That alone shows how bad our country has gotten in the last 6 years.
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Sometimes war is necessary. Would you say that American casualties were worth stopping Japanese and German expansion during World War II?
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This lacks historical perspective. Enemy combatants do not have the same rights as prisoners under international law (which we are bound to in this case). Further, the Constitution itself does not provide for such rights. Further, there have yet to be any proof of institutionalized torture or violation of any rights. In fact, under international law the persons that we captured have no rights as they did not follow the rules set forth in the Conventions. So, in effect the little rights that we have given them they don’t have a right to under any legal system.
Actually I don’t thin that Gipmo is a problem but rather is an example of the benevolence of the United States. Particularly in this location there has been a highly professional treatment of Enemy Combatants.
On the contrary our international image was worse in both WWI and WWII with our unwillingness to go to war.
The only reason why the approval ratings are so low is that us conservatives are very upset with republicans acting like liberals. If they would prosecute the war with more force, if they were to secure the borders, if they were to make the tax cuts permanent, pass more tort reform, reform the tax code and stop stooping to liberal accusations then their approval rating would be much higher.
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Keyword being SOMETIMES. Nothing about this war justifies it. Not even taking down Sadam.
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Of course theres not proof of institutionalized torture. But you would have to be severly ignorant to think that it dosent happen.
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Yes, I think history will show that this president did more to tarnish our image than any other before him. The sad news is we have him for another 2 years. The only thing preventing him from attacking another country is the fact that we don’t have enough troops.
My guess is IF he had a few hundred thousand more soldiers, he would have attacked Syria, Iran and North Korea. Not that any of these countries are not worthy of being attacked, but whatever happened to diplomacy.
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First, error here is that you lack the historical perspective of the American Revolution because you assume America. What was done here was novel meaning it had never been done before. I is argued by most that if we had not succeeded then the move toward Republican forms of government would have never happened.
The second error is that of a lack of understanding of the nature of pan-Arabic and in particular Iraqi relations. We are dealing with a hyper emotionalized culture in the middle of a country that has three major tribes that have been fighting since before the time of Christ. I so doing we are asking for problems and as we knew when we went into Iraq - it was not the war that would be hard but rather the true challenge would be building the nation.
So, they are bad guys that are lucky to be alive. I really have not the time nor the patience to hear their grievances unless they are valid.
Actually the president has not lied. Rather, it turned out that the intelligence was false concerning certain aspects of Iraq. It is only a lie if it is malicious. Acting rightly based on the evidence presented is not a lie. We need not redefine words to make a point.
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