Voting Republican

[Rach620]

Exactly - the next time we all get to vote for a US Supreme Court justice, vote for one who is Pro-Life.

Otherwise, it’s just an issue for rich Yalies to pretend to support when they want the power to select the new china pattern for the White House.

“I regret my votes for W.”:crying:

Paganus-

We’ll never get to vote for a US Supreme Court Justice, since they’re not democratically elected.

The only way pro-life justices Alito and Roberts made it onto the bench in the last few years was because W was there to appoint them, and a Republican-controlled Senate was around to confirm the appointments.

Besides, Bush has given other major victories to the pro-life movement during his term, namely signing into law the federal partial-birth abortion ban, and limiting embryonic stem cell research. There is much to be done, but we’re better off than we would be if another particular ‘Yalie’ were in office.

 

[nydas]

Paganus-

We’ll never get to vote for a US Supreme Court Justice, since they’re not democratically elected.

The only way pro-life justices Alito and Roberts made it onto the bench in the last few years was because W was there to appoint them, and a Republican-controlled Senate was around to confirm the appointments.

Besides, Bush has given other major victories to the pro-life movement during his term, namely signing into law the federal partial-birth abortion ban, and limiting embryonic stem cell research. There is much to be done, but we’re better off than we would be if another particular ‘Yalie’ were in office.

Your right! It’s ok that we are in an unwinable war, that our economy is **** and getting worse eveyday, that we have created more enemys then ever before, that Bush and Cheney can get away with being war criminals, etc. etc. etc. All this is ok because now there is a partial-birth abortion ban (which was pretty much illegal everywere in the states to begin with) and the goverment no longer provides funding for embryonic stem cells.

I dont know why i ever hated the repulicans to begin with. Clearly they have our best intrest at heart.

And yes. That was sarcasm.

 

[Ridgerunner]

While there might be a truly prolife democrat somewhere, there is not a single one running in my state. When it comes to moral choices, no other issue even compares except fetal stem cell research.

Fetal stem cell research is not “research”. It is a license to not only experiment on living human embryos, and to attempt human cloning, and to attempt human/animal cross experiments, but also to kill human embryos and use their cells in an attempt to come up with therapeutic uses. Therapeutic uses can include hand lotion and burn cream, not just nerve cell therapies. Therapeutic use of fetal stem cells can most accurately be thought of this way: Experimenters take the life of innocent humans and consume portions of them in order to extend or enhance the life of another. Vampirism and cannibalism do exactly the same thing. Exactly. We need to ask ourselves whether we are willing to see our society and ourselves sink to practices that virtually every society has abhorred since the dawn of humanity.

Democrat candidates, almost without exception, support both abortion and fetal stem cell utilization. What do the Democrats offer as a counterbalance?

They claim to care more about “the poor”. Not in thirty years have the Democrats come up with anything at all to help “the poor”. The last significant legislation that had any real positive impact on the poor was the Earned Income Credit, and that was part of the Reagan Tax Reform. Neither Dems nor Repubs have come up with any significant program for the poor since then. So that one is a myth.

They oppose the war for which most of them voted. It is a war we won, so that’s not the issue. The issue is whether we can effect positive things in the reconstruction. More Iraqis voted for their constitution and government, as a percentage of their electorate than American voters voted for Dems and Repubs combined in the last presidential election. Civil war? In a country of some 25 million, the internecine conflicts and the actual combatants are worrisome, but statistically insignificant. The American Civil War involved millions of combatants. Casualties in Sudan greatly outnumber those in Iraq, and we are not in Sudan “causing” it the way Dems now claim we are “causing” them in Iraq. If the U.S. Mafia, Del Norte and MS-13 went to “all out war” against each other, there would be casualties that would make those in Iraq pale in comparison. It is only because we have a well-developed law enforcement system, gained over many, many years and supported with massive resources, that we are spared that fate. The Russians have lost more of their people in the Chechen War IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY than we have lost in Iraq. Some perspective is needed here.

So, if one wants to find excuses to vote for the Culture of Death, they are going to have to do much, much better than the reasons the Democrats have provided so far.

Finally, it has been said in here that the U.S. has lost the respect of the world. That’s not true of a great portion of the world, but should we really gauge our sense of right and wrong on the opinions of decadent France? Of decadent Holland where prostitutes of both sexes advertise on the street? Of self-destructing Europe at all? No, we should demonstrate by our example that we have hope for the future; for human effort in trying to make a better future and that we have not sunk to consuming the bodies of children.

 

[Paganus]

Besides, Bush has given other major victories to the pro-life movement during his term, namely signing into law the federal partial-birth abortion ban, and limiting embryonic stem cell research. There is much to be done, but we’re better off than we would be if another particular ‘Yalie’ were in office.

Actually, I’m not entirely sure about that. I tend to suspect that one Skull & Bonesman is the same as another. It’s a fairly tightly knit social circle.

I am a little tired of patting myself on the back for voting SA instead of SS. Either way, there are a lot of folks going up the chimneys. Whether or not Dr. Mengele gets less grant money seems an excruciating minor point. One side “regrets” the massive deaths more than the other perhaps… is that progress? :nope:

 

[Valke2]

A friend recently presented this argument to me when discussing voting and the moral issues that we face today, especially abortion: “The Republican party is the party that is pro-life. But we have had a Republican president for 6 years now, and the Republicans have held the House for many years as well, and STILL nothing definitive has been done to bring an end to abortion. We vote Republican (for some it is for many issues) largely to combat abortion. But is anything actually being done by our Republican politicians to put an end to abortion? Certainly the opportunity is there…”

That was the gist of the statement. Any thoughts on this?

I find that most republican candidates pay lip service to pro choice and don’t do squat about it when elected. On the whole, I’m tired of the Republicans. If they refused to do anything when the controled the House, the Senate and the Presidency. THen they have made their postion known.

 

[Rach620]

Your right! It’s ok that we are in an unwinable war, that our economy is **** and getting worse eveyday, that we have created more enemys then ever before, that Bush and Cheney can get away with being war criminals, etc. etc. etc. All this is ok because now there is a partial-birth abortion ban (which was pretty much illegal everywere in the states to begin with) and the goverment no longer provides funding for embryonic stem cells.

First of all-- Bush’s actions in the pro-life realm have been much more constructive than his Democratic opponents’ would have been. It’s about gradually building a culture of life in America, where the basic rights of all people are respected.

Nydas, I’m not sure we’re the ones who created the enemies, nor am I positive that you suggest anything to remedy the violent clash of civilizations which is taking place in the world today.

Do you forget that the ‘unwinnable war’ on terror in which we are engaged is not one which the US began? We entered Iraq as part of the war on terror, fearing Saddam was developing WMD (which has been later corroborated, as other posters on this forum have said) and that he would disseminate them to terrorist groups including al Qaeda (a link which has also been corroborated, at least to my knowledge).

I’m not pointing to 9/11 as the beginning of this mess we’re in either–the signs had been around for years before 2001 that the struggle between the West and these Muslim extremists would come to a boiling point and not be resolved for years to come.

Honestly, it’s not an option to just abandon our efforts in the Middle East now because the war seems unwinnable. I’m not sure anyone knows where stability will come from, but the safety of many people around the globe depends upon it, and nation-building efforts in Iraq for now seem to be the most viable option.

Our enemies in this war are not ones who can be reasoned with–they don’t care about freedom or representative government, let alone reason. Case in point–psychotic outrage over some Danish cartoons, and death threats for the pope and a nun’s murder over a misinterpreted quote of the pope’s.

How do you suggest we deal with this? Oversimplification and name-calling don’t yield anything constructive.

 

[Valke2]

First of all-- Bush’s actions in the pro-life realm have been much more constructive than his Democratic opponents’ would have been. It’s about gradually building a culture of life in America, where the basic rights of all people are respected.

Nydas, I’m not sure we’re the ones who created the enemies, nor am I positive that you suggest anything to remedy the violent clash of civilizations which is taking place in the world today.

Do you forget that the ‘unwinnable war’ on terror in which we are engaged is not one which the US began? We entered Iraq as part of the war on terror, fearing Saddam was developing WMD (which has been later corroborated, as other posters on this forum have said) and that he would disseminate them to terrorist groups including al Qaeda (a link which has also been corroborated, at least to my knowledge).

I’m not pointing to 9/11 as the beginning of this mess we’re in either–the signs had been around for years before 2001 that the struggle between the West and these Muslim extremists would come to a boiling point and not be resolved for years to come.

Honestly, it’s not an option to just abandon our efforts in the Middle East now because the war seems unwinnable. I’m not sure anyone knows where stability will come from, but the safety of many people around the globe depends upon it, and nation-building efforts in Iraq for now seem to be the most viable option.

Our enemies in this war are not ones who can be reasoned with–they don’t care about freedom or representative government, let alone reason. Case in point–psychotic outrage over some Danish cartoons, and death threats for the pope and a nun’s murder over a misinterpreted quote of the pope’s.

How do you suggest we deal with this? Oversimplification and name-calling don’t yield anything constructive.

The bush administration continues to give huge tax cuts to drug companies that produce birth control pills. The Christian right is now in the same position as the democratic blacks. They keep voting for the party that says it represents their interests and then they are ignore. It’s time to send a message that the Republicans will understand. Let them get their act together in 2008 (and hopefully run a candidate that understands or at least can spell foriegn policy).

 

[Dale_M]

www.digg.com
www.wikipedia.org
www.bbc.co.uk/news

These 3 websites have taught me more then Social Studys ever did. How sad is that…

Not sad at all. School is only able to give us a basic understanding and the tools for developing a deeper understanding.

What is sad is that many people don’t seek a deeper understanding.

You have interesting ideas, Nydas, I am glad you found us. I may not always agree with you, but its good to hear voices who aren’t in the chorus.

 

[Al_Masetti]

The bush administration continues to give huge tax cuts to drug companies that produce birth control pills. The Christian right is now in the same position as the democratic blacks. They keep voting for the party that says it represents their interests and then they are ignore. It’s time to send a message that the Republicans will understand. Let them get their act together in 2008 (and hopefully run a candidate that understands or at least can spell foriegn policy).

Are those tax cuts ONLY for drug companies that produce birth control pills? Or for all drug companies? Or for all companies that generate profits? Or for all companis AND individuals that produce enough revenue that they have to pay Federal income taxes?

Could you be somewhat more specific.

Many thanks.

• Al

 

[Valke2]

Are those tax cuts ONLY for drug companies that produce birth control pills? Or for all drug companies? Or for all companies that generate profits? Or for all companis AND individuals that produce enough revenue that they have to pay Federal income taxes?

Could you be somewhat more specific.

Many thanks.

• Al

No. I meant to edit my post to clarify. I was not intending to post that specific tax cuts have been given to drug companies that produce birth control pills.

 

[Al_Masetti]

No. I meant to edit my post to clarify. I was not intending to post that specific tax cuts have been given to drug companies that produce birth control pills.

Would you also then retract the bit about [paraphrasing] “it’s all Bush’s fault”?

Are you willing to surrender to evil, in the hopes that at some time in the future you / the Republicans might have more spine?

I don’t see how cutting one’s nose off to spite one’s face provides any benefits.

Why don’t we just acknowledge that the Republicans are grossly imperfect but that the Democrats are infinitely worse … even to the point of adopting Republican / Conservative talking points (and then totally reversing themselves after they win).

 

[mikev]

A friend recently presented this argument to me when discussing voting and the moral issues that we face today, especially abortion: “The Republican party is the party that is pro-life. But we have had a Republican president for 6 years now, and the Republicans have held the House for many years as well, and STILL nothing definitive has been done to bring an end to abortion. We vote Republican (for some it is for many issues) largely to combat abortion. But is anything actually being done by our Republican politicians to put an end to abortion? Certainly the opportunity is there…”

That was the gist of the statement. Any thoughts on this?

The republicans have been a disappointment to me also. I think the most significant thing the president has done is his supreme court appointments. If he could get one or two more pro-life apointments before his term expires the balance might finally shift in the right direction.

 

[Al_Masetti]

A friend recently presented this argument to me when discussing voting and the moral issues that we face today, especially abortion: “The Republican party is the party that is pro-life. But we have had a Republican president for 6 years now, and the Republicans have held the House for many years as well, and STILL nothing definitive has been done to bring an end to abortion. We vote Republican (for some it is for many issues) largely to combat abortion. But is anything actually being done by our Republican politicians to put an end to abortion? Certainly the opportunity is there…”

That was the gist of the statement. Any thoughts on this?

Following is from post 114708:

Maybe you all could comment on this list of Republican accompishments with respect to pro-life:

As far as the republican party goes the record is clear in the last 6 years that both Bush and the Republican party have delivered on their promises concerning abortion and values dear to our Church:

1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion - by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade.
2. Reversed Clinton’s move to strike Reagan’s anti-abortion Mexico Policy.
3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton’s policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act.
4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services.
5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals.
6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004.
7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act - and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman.
8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents.
9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools.
10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms).
11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline.
12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.
13. Passed the parental consent law-currently being blocked by DEMOCRATS
14. Pro-life Judge Alito placed on the Suprem Court
15. Made pro-life roberts Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
16. Have placed over 2 dozen pro-life judges on Federal District courts. 6 Pro-life judges were blocked by the Democrats solely becuase of their support for Life.
17. Passed the Born alive Act
18. Passed the violence against the unborn act

Can you tell us which of the above would have been implemented if democrats had been in contol?

Here is the link:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=114708&page=2&highlight=Republican+abortion

 

[estesbob]

The bush administration continues to give huge tax cuts to drug companies that produce birth control pills. The Christian right is now in the same position as the democratic blacks. They keep voting for the party that says it represents their interests and then they are ignore. It’s time to send a message that the Republicans will understand. Let them get their act together in 2008 (and hopefully run a candidate that understands or at least can spell foriegn policy).

Which tax cuts were those? As a CPA in private practice for 26 years i am concerned that perhaps i missed something that would benefit my clients. A tax code referecne would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

[psteichen]

Maybe you all could comment on this list of Republican accompishments with respect to pro-life:
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Al: I think the list you posted speaks for itself. While we all would like to see dramatic changes and a quick end to abortion, I think we have to be grateful that at least some changes are starting to happen. The Republicans are not in a position to single handedly end abortion. First of all they do not have complete unity within the party. A number of Republicans from “Blue States” are not all that Republican. Fortunately they are better than the alternative. I think we have seen great progress in the last 6 years. We certainly need a great deal more, and quickly. But for anyone to think that we would have accomplished any of these things with a Democratic presidency or with a Democrat controlled House or Senate would be wishful thinking at best. We may not always get strong leadership from the Republicans, but we know we will never get it from modern Democrates.

 

[estesbob]

Heres a nice little article about why you shouldnt vote for the republicans in the next election:

eightandfive.com/2006/11/02/stay-on-target/

It is sad to see people get worked up over an 18 year denied a boarding pass but then turn around and empower those who kill our children. I guess the theory is if you kill them young enough they wont grow up to have Evil Republicans deny them their civil rights.

 

[Jerry-Jet]

Voting for a candidate that was one trillionth of 1% in favor of abortion would be totally wrong and totally unacceptable forever!

 

[nydas]

Voting for a candidate that was one trillionth of 1% in favor of abortion would be totally wrong and totally unacceptable forever!

So if Hitler was Pro-life would you vote for him instead of… lets say Clinton?

 

[nydas]

It is sad to see people get worked up over an 18 year denied a boarding pass but then turn around and empower those who kill our children. I guess the theory is if you kill them young enough they wont grow up to have Evil Republicans deny them their civil rights.

Im sorry for not considering cells to be our children. I guess we should lock up every man thats ever masterbated, Considering he kills hundreds of potential children every time he does it.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

Nydas, masturbation is a sin, but not one anywhere nearly as serious as killing embryoes. God infuses the soul into the person at the moment of CONCEPTION. He does not infuse the soul into sperm. When we kill embryoes, we are killing human beings.
Today the excuse is medical research. Who knows? In 20 years, the excuse may be that it’s an excellent protein source, sort of like that movie “SOYLENT GREEN.”

Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)