Wafer for rawfoodist?

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I have a question, And having read much of the threads on types of wafers (low gluten, leavened, unleavened) consecrated for communion. I have a question about a host prepared for someone who eats only raw food. I know this sounds silly, but I think it’s a question that might arise soon for people interested in understanding God’s design of creation (especially of our body and the food designed for it) and seeking our Lord’s church.

I ask this question seriously: would it be possible to consecrate a host that is made of raw wheat groud into flour that is never baked but instead flattened to shape and dehydrated (which I’ve tried, it is not crumbly but holds together very well).

Another option for rawfoodists could be just recieving the Eucharist from the chalice, since the wine consecrated was obviously raw.
 
Juliannie said:
I have a question, And having read much of the threads on types of wafers (low gluten, leavened, unleavened) consecrated for communion. I have a question about a host prepared for someone who eats only raw food. I know this sounds silly, but I think it’s a question that might arise soon for people interested in understanding God’s design of creation (especially of our body and the food designed for it) and seeking our Lord’s church.

I ask this question seriously: would it be possible to consecrate a host that is made of raw wheat groud into flour that is never baked but instead flattened to shape and dehydrated (which I’ve tried, it is not crumbly but holds together very well).

Another option for rawfoodists could be just recieving the Eucharist from the chalice, since the wine consecrated was obviously raw.
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Could one really say it is any kind of bread?
 
Juliannie said:
One could say it was a wafer. A cracker. So yes one could say it is a kind of bread.
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I do not know of any uncooked breads - unleavened but not uncooked.

I think saying it could be a ‘cracker’ is a bit of a reach.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
I do not know of any uncooked breads - unleavened but not uncooked.

I think saying it could be a ‘cracker’ is a bit of a reach.
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I didn’t intend to start a debate about this topic, the rules as I understand are that the host must be made out of wheat and water, nothing else. Does it specifically need to be baked? That’s my question. 👍
 
Rawfoodists have things called crackers. Especially common are flax crackers these are dehydrated, if you’ve ever had one they can be really yummy. Basically like whole wheat crackers.
 
Juliannie said:
I didn’t intend to start a debate about this topic, the rules as I understand are that the host must be made out of wheat and water, nothing else. Does it specifically need to be baked? That’s my question. 👍
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It has to be a bread.

I know of no uncooked breads including ethnic options.

It is not just the ingredients but the end result - that when all is said and done it is a bread.

Does this concoction include water?
 
here’s an example of a bread recipe. Found at www.rawfoods.com/recipes/italianbread.html

Italian Bread

4 cups of 2-days sprouted wheat or rye
1/2 tomato, chopped
1/4 cup pitted black olives
3/4 cup chopped red pepper or green pepper
1 garlic clove, pressed
1 tsp. basil, oregano or thyme
Rejuvelac for consistency

Grind, blend, or homogenize the grain. Add spice by hand and spread batter 1/4-inch thick on a dehydrator tray prepared with parchment paper. Dehydrate at less than 110 degrees until thoroughly dry-12 to 24 hours depending on number of trays drying and humidity of the room. Store in a tight, closed container.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
It has to be a bread.

I know of no uncooked breads including ethnic options.

It is not just the ingredients but the end result - that when all is said and done it is a bread.

Does this concoction include water?
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Do you really think Jesus would not accept people who used an alternative form of Eucharist?
 
Eilish_Maura said:
It has to be a bread.

I know of no uncooked breads including ethnic options.

It is not just the ingredients but the end result - that when all is said and done it is a bread.

Does this concoction include water?
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it includes this:

raw wheat ground into flour
water

mix it together to make a pankake batter consistency, spead onto teflex sheet in desired shape, dehydrate at low temperature (105 degrees is a good temperature) for a few hours (4-8) depending on how soft or dry you want it.
 
Juliannie said:
it includes this:

raw wheat ground into flour
water

mix it together to make a pankake batter consistency, spead onto teflex sheet in desired shape, dehydrate at low temperature (105 degrees is a good temperature) for a few hours (4-8) depending on how soft or dry you want it.
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One could recommend it to a diocese - they would be the one to make the final decision if it does qualify as bread or not.
 
Juliannie said:
I didn’t intend to start a debate about this topic, the rules as I understand are that the host must be made out of wheat and water, nothing else. Does it specifically need to be baked? That’s my question. 👍
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I am guessing it doesn’t have to be baked, only because I am pretty sure the idea of non-baked bread is a thought that never occurred. I could be wrong, though. I have to ask, why does it really matter? You’re not receiving bread when you receive communion, you’re getting Jesus Christ.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
I am guessing it doesn’t have to be baked, only because I am pretty sure the idea of non-baked bread is a thought that never occurred. I could be wrong, though. I have to ask, why does it really matter? You’re not receiving bread when you receive communion, you’re getting Jesus Christ.
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It matters because at the Last Supper Jesus took bread and wine to turn into his body and blood, soul and divinity.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
It matters because at the Last Supper Jesus took bread and wine to turn into his body and blood, soul and divinity.
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I’m still not understanding why it matters if the bread is baked or not. I know why bread is used. I don’t get why the OP is concerned with this. I’ve never heard of a rawfoodist before, nor do I understand why, besides a health reason like allergies, one would be concerned with the type of breads the Church uses for communion.
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
I am guessing it doesn’t have to be baked, only because I am pretty sure the idea of non-baked bread is a thought that never occurred. I could be wrong, though. I have to ask, why does it really matter? You’re not receiving bread when you receive communion, you’re getting Jesus Christ.
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Yes I believe and understand that we’re recieving Jesus and not bread, but the accidents (spelling?) are still there. This is proven by people with alergies to gluten or that stomach problem (or I’m not really sure what it is but it’s called ciliac i believe.)
I gotta run I will come back tomorrow to reply. thanks for all your (name removed by moderator)ut! 🙂
 
ChristIsTheWay said:
I’m still not understanding why it matters if the bread is baked or not. I know why bread is used. I don’t get why the OP is concerned with this. I’ve never heard of a rawfoodist before, nor do I understand why, besides a health reason like allergies, one would be concerned with the type of breads the Church uses for communion.
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Baked or not may be part of the requirements to be able to call something bread - not just the ingredients used.
 
Juliannie said:
Yes I believe and understand that we’re recieving Jesus and not bread, but the accidents (spelling?) are still there. This is proven by people with alergies to gluten or that stomach problem (or I’m not really sure what it is but it’s called ciliac i believe.)
I gotta run I will come back tomorrow to reply. thanks for all your (name removed by moderator)ut! 🙂
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I understand and I am not trying to criticize you. I’ve heard of special breads used for people with food allergies and such but I’ve never heard of special breads used because of personal tastes. Is that normally done?
 
You are asking about making a major change in the composition of the bread used for the Eucharist. The question that would immediately be asked is, what is the great need that should compel us (e.g. the bishop, or even Rome) to authorize this change?

What answer would you give?
 
VociMike said:
You are asking about making a major change in the composition of the bread used for the Eucharist. The question that would immediately be asked is, what is the great need that should compel us (e.g. the bishop, or even Rome) to authorize this change?

What answer would you give?
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What difference would it make? It’s not the accidents that are sacramental, it’s Jesus Christ.
 
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