Waldensians

[CasusPacis]

What do you guys think about the Waldensians?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians
Their dogmatic and social separation from the Catholic Church seems to have been mainly and unfortunately politically motivated, and I don’t think it was ever really about what the Waldensians believed or practiced so much as the threat they posed to the organization of the church at the time.

Given, they don’t really seem to pose that much threat at all given their stance on quote “’…fostering inter-religious work, and advocating respect for religious diversity and freedom of conscience.’[1]” (Above wikipedia article, introduction), which I don’t know was always the case but their other beliefs seem to suggest so. They favor an old school “do as Jesus did” method in a lot of regards.

They identify as Protestant these days, but it was also recently that Pope Francis recognized them and apologized for their persecution, which was what I personally feel was a really cool move.

But I’m not interested in my opinion. What’re yours?

 

[Abu]

CasusPacis #1
it was also recently that Pope Francis recognized them and apologized for their persecution, which was what I personally feel was a really cool move.

What seems to have been overlooked here is the reality that the truths of faith and morals taught by Christ’s Church have nothing to do with human failure, for it is vital to understand that the Pope never apologises for the Church which is “held, as a matter of faith, to be unfailingly holy.” [Vatican II, *Lumen Gentium, art 39].

Then here is the cooler move. Pope Francis seems to have followed St John Paul II in this regard.

In First Things (November 1997), Harvard Law Professor Mary Ann Glendon wrote of St John Paul II that “the Pope himself has acknowledged the mistakes and sins of Christians in connection with, among other things, the Crusades, the Inquisition, persecution of the Jews, religious wars, Galileo, and the treatment of women. Thus, though the Pope himself is careful to speak of sin or error on the part of the Church’s members or representatives, rather than the Church in its fullness, that important theological distinction is almost always lost in the transmission.”

radioreplies.info/site-search.php?q=Waldensians&db=4
Excerpts:
“You can be quite sure that the Catholic Church does not condone any excesses violating the law of God and the spirit of Christ, whether perpetrated by misguided individuals 551 years ago, or at any other period in history.
“Pope Boniface IX, throughout the whole of his reign from 1389 to 1404, was constantly urging secular princes to maintain the unity and harmony of Christendom by stamping out the growth of heretical sects in their territories. That some of these princes were guilty of cruelty and injustice in their measures against the Waldensians is not at all unlikely. If so, the Catholic Church would say that they were guilty of cruelty and injustice. But that leaves the question as to whether the Catholic religion is the true religion or not quite unaffected.”

 

[1ke]

What do you guys think about the Waldensians?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians
Their dogmatic and social separation from the Catholic Church seems to have been mainly and unfortunately politically motivated, and I don’t think it was ever really about what the Waldensians believed or practiced so much as the threat they posed to the organization of the church at the time.

What I think is that you are entirely mistaken. It was absolutely about their heretical teaching AND their refusal to stop said teaching.

 

[spedteacherita]

What I think is that you are entirely mistaken. It was absolutely about their heretical teaching AND their refusal to stop said teaching.

What was heretical about their teachings? This is not a sarcastic question and I know I can go look up info on the web but I’d like to know from the perspective of a Catholic. Thanks!

Rita

 

[Aslan10]

What do you guys think about the Waldensians?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians
Their dogmatic and social separation from the Catholic Church seems to have been mainly and unfortunately politically motivated, and I don’t think it was ever really about what the Waldensians believed or practiced so much as the threat they posed to the organization of the church at the time.

Given, they don’t really seem to pose that much threat at all given their stance on quote “’…fostering inter-religious work, and advocating respect for religious diversity and freedom of conscience.’[1]” (Above wikipedia article, introduction), which I don’t know was always the case but their other beliefs seem to suggest so. They favor an old school “do as Jesus did” method in a lot of regards.

They identify as Protestant these days, but it was also recently that Pope Francis recognized them and apologized for their persecution, which was what I personally feel was a really cool move.

But I’m not interested in my opinion. What’re yours?

On a more irrelevant note, you claim to be an “apatheist” and yet are taking the time to discuss religious matters on an internet forum. No disrespect, but wouldn’t that present some form of concern, thereby making you not an apatheist? Maybe this has been discussed before, or I have my definition wrong, but it seems you might need to change your title.