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elts1956
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And where did you say you learned the teachings of the Catholic Church? You are off base here Rence. I would say perhaps you have a case of split belief?
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elts1956
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The only pink ribbon I am aware of is the Susan Koman organization that “collect” money for the prevention of breast cancer. But then, they also contribute to Planned Parenthood.
I recently discussed the situation with a priest as to whether to support places of busines which directly or indirectly support abortion. What he said is that in the case of their indirectly supporting abortion it would be a situation of remote cooperation with the abortion agenda. He suggested that since we cannot possibly boycott every company in the US, yes it is as bad as that, perhaps we would want to write letters in protest. If it is a case of supporting a business that directly supports abortion, one must not cooperate with it.
However, I am going to try to shop as little as possible at Wal Mart.
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ShortyLaRock_82
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The irony of the Pink Ribbon foundation supporting abortion is that abortion itself has been linked to certain types of breast cancer.
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kimmielittle
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:clapping::clapping: Indeed an ironyThe irony of the Pink Ribbon foundation supporting abortion is that abortion itself has been linked to certain types of breast cancer.
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Rence
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I went to catechism classes until my first communion, then went to catholic grammar school thereafter, then catholic high school, catholic college, and catholic university. Why do you think I’m off base here Elts? And what do you mean by split belief?
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Rence
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I think that varies from place to place. The walmart in my area is where almost everyone goes for almost everything. They have very competitive prices and they have good quality items. I can buy almost anything there from bullets to bread. I find their service competitive too. I like shopping at Walmart. The nearby Kroger’s and Publix is outrageous in price, and they carry everything I need that I can get at Kroger’s and Publix. Why would I shop anywhere else if I’m happy with it?
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catharina
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WHY? In case you decided that you hold an unequivocal oppostion to abortion,
you recognize that PP is the center of abortion nation-wide, and you felt you could make a meaningful, if tiny, stand against abortion by boycotting Walmart and saying WHY.
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TarkanAttila
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An excellent point.
My fellow Catholics, if you are indeed true in your faith, you WILL take up a stance against the Kolmen foundation and any other supporters of abortion - regardless of competitive prices, regardless of service, regardless of convenience. That’s what God Almightly has called us to do - to reject sin, no matter what the cost.
Why is this? Well. What does our Catholic tradition and doctrine teach us?
If we are completely ignorant of a sin, and had no way of knowing we were sinning (due to lack of information, or a strong background which has ingrained lies into our being), we are pardoned in full because we never knew what atrocities we were inciting.
But if we know what we are doing, and we know it is wrong, no matter how we rationalise it, we are not ignorant. If we had all of the necessary resources available right in front of us - at an arm’s length (not literally - let’s not play games) - to know what we were doing, are we not culpable of the sin of purposeful ignorance on top of whatever sin we purposefully committed?
If you have read the discussions on this topic, you know what God’s stance is on this, fellow Catholics, and indeed, fellow Christians. You are charged with protesting Planned Parenthood and all its affiliates that fund abortion - directly or otherwise.
It does NOT matter how much good they accomplish if they have a major flaw in them that can easily be rectified. If you support PP as it currently stands, you are culpable as an accomplice in the murders of the unborn, regardless your reason.
It doesn’t matter what OTHER people do, or say, or think, or know. What matters is what YOU do, and what GOD knows you have done, and what HE thinks of that.
And for those of you who complain about high prices or that there’s nowhere else to shop, I have one suggestion: BUY OFF OF THE INTERNET. You can find ANYTHING there, and surely SOMEONE out there must be against abortion and sin as much as you and I. Prices are often very competitive, too.
You just have to be PATIENT, and willing to live with less. Believe me, you will survive with less food. This is not the Middle Ages where every scrap of food is precious. In fact, it is just the opposite - we have TOO MUCH food. We have too much of EVERYTHING. We can afford to buy less, higher priced (and often higher-quality) food, clothes, appliances, and furniture.
In short, it is obvious that Walmart and the Kolmen Foundation support abortion regardless of whether they directly acknowledge it or not, based on the documents and testimonies from the members here. Thus, if you’ve read this thread, you are obligated to boycott Walmart AND the Kolmen Foundation until news to the contrary is found.
Unless you wish to have the mark of the beast upon your head.
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graceandglory
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SO it’s even more of a sacrifice for those of us who actually LIKE Pink!
Going out of my way to buy pink without the logo is quite a challenge.
Curves, International is an organization that does not promote Komen during Breast Cancer Awaremess month. Any donations they receive goes to American Cancer Association.
I believe they made this distinction because of their known Christian ownership.
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estesbob
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Although your Local Wal-Mart may contribute to Susan Komen they are not a National Sponsor and the 2 Wal-Mart in my area are not a local sponsors.
Safeway, BTW, is a National Sponsor-I wonder why we havent had threads demanding all good Catholics boycott Safeway?
Safeway, BTW, is a National Sponsor-I wonder why we havent had threads demanding all good Catholics boycott Safeway?
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Rence
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It’s good to know that a local walmart may not contribute to the pink, but I’m not going to bother to find out if mine does because it doesn’t matter to me. One can’t boycott everything
Whether or not I shop at Walmart or drink Starbucks is not going to affect abortions.If one wants to boycott companies, I have no problem with it. It’s beyond me why others care what I buy or where I shop.
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estesbob
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I agree-I dont join in on boycotts. I do , however, refuse to do tax returns for people who have w2s from abortion providersIt’s good to know that a local walmart may not contribute to the pink, but I’m not going to bother to find out if mine does because it doesn’t matter to me. One can’t boycott everything
If one wants to boycott companies, I have no problem with it. It’s beyond me why others care what I buy or where I shop.
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catharina
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Terrific - and good for you. Very wise, very proper.
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Rence
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That’s a good idea
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Spencerian
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It’s a bit surprising that no one has simply asked Catholic Answers about this question.
In fact, it *has *been asked in a recent show, but unfortunately I cannot add the time and date. I’m certain it was a Q&A open forum program.
The simple answer was that, while it is prudent to avoid patronage with businesses that support abortion directly or indirectly, it is highly impractical as a Catholic to make great efforts in such avoidance. A Catholic is not culpable in such matters of abortion funding in businesses not directly connected in the abortion business because the moral responsibility falls on the business and their actions with their earnings, not those who patronize their business and pay for goods or services offered.
A similar take can be made on the payment of taxes.** It’s not the moral responsibility of the taxpayer to stop abortion funding, for taxpayers cannot make this direction. Culpability falls on the lawmakers who define the laws that determines such funding.
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Michelle Arnold noted the government side of this issue in this Ask an Apologist thread that plays well in the public sector.
So, it’s quite okay to shop at Walmart, for you have no control over what they do or don’t do with their funds. A guy’s gotta eat, and if Walmart is the only store in your area, one needn’t go out of their way to fund a place that doesn’t fund abortion one way or the other. Besides, you never know if a business owner of a private store you might alternately use may support abortion through a contribution, and private business owners aren’t obligated to disclose such information publicly.
But what about the Susan B. Komen Foundation?
This one’s clearer because the Komen Foundation’s connections are more closer to the abortion groups as well as the Catholic who participates. [.American Catholicpro-life entities that also support breast cancer treatment and fund-raisingThe ends do not justify the means. Catholic teaching is clear that we as humans cannot allow an evil thing to occur even if some good comes from it (CCC 1759)](http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/30/susan-g-komen-funds-abortions-still/)
In fact, it *has *been asked in a recent show, but unfortunately I cannot add the time and date. I’m certain it was a Q&A open forum program.
The simple answer was that, while it is prudent to avoid patronage with businesses that support abortion directly or indirectly, it is highly impractical as a Catholic to make great efforts in such avoidance. A Catholic is not culpable in such matters of abortion funding in businesses not directly connected in the abortion business because the moral responsibility falls on the business and their actions with their earnings, not those who patronize their business and pay for goods or services offered.
A similar take can be made on the payment of taxes.** It’s not the moral responsibility of the taxpayer to stop abortion funding, for taxpayers cannot make this direction. Culpability falls on the lawmakers who define the laws that determines such funding.
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Michelle Arnold noted the government side of this issue in this Ask an Apologist thread that plays well in the public sector.
So, it’s quite okay to shop at Walmart, for you have no control over what they do or don’t do with their funds. A guy’s gotta eat, and if Walmart is the only store in your area, one needn’t go out of their way to fund a place that doesn’t fund abortion one way or the other. Besides, you never know if a business owner of a private store you might alternately use may support abortion through a contribution, and private business owners aren’t obligated to disclose such information publicly.
But what about the Susan B. Komen Foundation?
This one’s clearer because the Komen Foundation’s connections are more closer to the abortion groups as well as the Catholic who participates. [.American Catholicpro-life entities that also support breast cancer treatment and fund-raisingThe ends do not justify the means. Catholic teaching is clear that we as humans cannot allow an evil thing to occur even if some good comes from it (CCC 1759)](http://the-american-catholic.com/2009/09/30/susan-g-komen-funds-abortions-still/)
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elts1956
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You are right Rence, the women aren’t rounded up, the babies are. Since when in a Republic do we not protect the innocent and the vulnerable? Since when in a Christian society do we not protect the innocent and vulnerable? Now if we had a DECENT healthcare program, one that wasn’t forced on us, or if I worked for an employer who asked that a certain percentage of my yearly paycheck be contributed freely of my own free will for support of breast care for those women who couldn’t afford it, I would willingly do so. There are ways to support indigent women and their families other than through Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood has the government behind them. They helped elect this administration and now it’s payback time out of our pockets.
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elts1956
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Consider this. In the last POTUS election Catholics didn’t band together to defeat bo and his minions. So how can we get Catholics to boycott stores like Wal Mart, Safeway etc? I talked to a priest about this recently and as much as I would like for all Catholics to boycott any business even remotely donating to abortion clinics, he said if we patronized such stores it is a case of remote cooperation. That “some”,( I wonder why not “many”) write to these companies and tell them of their dislike of their abortion support policies.
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TarkanAttila
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And why not? Shouldn’t it be the right of the purchaser to know where his money is going? If a store owner were to, for example, donate some of his money to the local Mafia (should one exist), or use it to fund an illegal drug ring (even if he doesn’t do any himself), shouldn’t we, the funders, know about that?
And there’s nothing like a good hunger strike to bring out the media attention and to move the hearts of men. In any case, you guys are forgetting: we the people have power, no matter what form of government controls us. If enough of us tiny people work together, we can make an impression on the companies that give to immoral charities.
But why don’t you? You’ve been told that your religion is a small, personal thing, not something for the community to share and treasure. It’s in your politics, in your society. Well, I’m here to tell you that if the homosexuals can speak in one voice and make headway, if the environmentalists can, if women can, SO CAN CATHOLICS.
In fact, (I believe) we have a stronger reason to. Or isn’t God stronger than the wants and desires of a sinful populace?
And even if Walmart isn’t guilty of supporting PP, it is guilty of driving smaller competitors out of business, pinning its manufacturers or driving them out of business (Rubbermaid, for instance), and the whole trade with China thing (which is wrong for so many, many reasons).
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estesbob
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And the biggest sin of all-it isnt UNIONIZED!
Which is the real source of the animosity towards Wal-Mart.
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DoulaMama
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The “pink ribbon” is the** symbol for breast cancer awareness. It may be associated with Susan G Komen, but it’s not exclusive to that foundation!
Look, here it is on a “abortions contributes to breast cancer” website:
abortionbreastcancer.com/index/
While I’m not a fan of Wal-Mart, I realize that nearly all retailers carry things that are produced by companies that do things contrary to Catholic belief…nearly all stores carry condoms and other articificial birth control methods. They sell magazines such as Cosmo or “celebrity” magazines that glorify the lack of morals in Hollywood…this list could go on and on…
It’s a personal choice where you shop…Wal-Mart does have very low prices and people with very limited budgets often don’t have the luxury of shopping somewhere else…especially large Catholic families with one income.
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