Walmart supports abortion

[kimmielittle]

Question:

We are called to be good stewards.

Does good stewardship stop at picking up litter?

Or does good stewardship include what we do / do not support?

 

[Rence]

Question:

We are called to be good stewards.

Does good stewardship stop at picking up litter?

Or does good stewardship include what we do / do not support?

No Kimmie, IMOHO, it doesn’t stop at picking up litter. It may include paying for someone’s mammogran who can’t afford one, if one has issue with a woman who can’t afford to pay for one herself going to PP for a mammogram sponsered by a pink ribbon foundation.

 

[Julianna]

Question:

We are called to be good stewards.

Does good stewardship stop at picking up litter?

Or does good stewardship include what we do / do not support?

Yes, we are called to be good stewards. Boycotting Wal-Mart is important to you…then yes, you should boycott it. This is your passion/cause.

Where I part company is the condemnation to others who don’t share that Wal-Mart supports abortion because it sells Susan G Komen products or sends a fraction of its money to Susan G. Komen. The paranoia, I speak of…is when the alarmists state on message boards that you either “boycott” what we say or somehow you are less of Catholic/Christian if you don’t.

A poor woman can go to a clinic and receive free or reduced cost breast cancer screening due to the donations that Susan G. Komen contributes. Perhaps if the Church would open a medical clinic next to PP, and offered free or reduced cost screenings for poor women…PP would go out of business. As a matter of fact, our former President was all for religious organizations working within their communities offering everything from health care, to food, shelter options…etc.

 

[kimmielittle]

No Kimmie, IMOHO, it doesn’t stop at picking up litter. It may include paying for someone’s mammogran who can’t afford one, if one has issue with a woman who can’t afford to pay for one herself going to PP for a mammogram sponsered by a pink ribbon foundation.

You make it sound like PP is the only source for free or reduced cost mammograms.

Could Susan G K…provide the service to others without directing to PP?

I have a hard time with groups that are selective of which life has relevance

If Satin was a fisherman…would he not use the best bait?

 

[Elizabeth502]

It is doubtful that very many CAF households exclude all products made in China. Personally I am even more repelled by Chinese policies regarding abortion than by PP policies. So good luck, everyone, with your “pure” shopping. I’m not being sarcastic. Would that we could completely control where our money goes. I know that some non-Catholic households, and some Orders even, try to purchase only Fair Trade items, etc., for social justice reasons. Btw, to do that you practically have to make shopping your full-time job if you want to exclude all non-fair-trade items from your hh and still have access to all the essentials that you need in modern family and single life.

One of my problems with PP is their title. It seems that Unplanned Parenthood is as much a part of their activity as contraceptive counseling. As to their services for teenage girls, I don’t have any objection to their providing things like low-cost or free exams. But, short of hijacking the thread, I do think that there’s something we need to think about as a nation, and this is what I have brought up a few times on another thread as well. I do not subscribe to the feasibility of the Roman Catholic Church dictating national policy, even surreptitiously. But I think it would help to have a national policy, with (name removed by moderator)ut from religious institutions, regarding teenage sex, because the assumption of it, or lack of it, affects public education in K-12 schools.

The Netherlands, for example, does assume that teenagers will have sex. The country supports it, provides extensive contraceptive counseling, and puts the responsibility of contraceptive education and use on the teenage population, which apparently does an excellent job of that. (The country’s abortion rate and teenage pregnancy rate is very low.) I do not approve of teenage sex, for teenagers of any faith or no faith. I think it’s a terrible idea for a variety of rasons. Yes, I know that millenia ago, teenagers routinely married. But that was married sex.

But the point is that there’s a consistency about what’s provided in the Netherlands, the education about it, the funding of it, and a national policy. Yes their country is far less pluralistic than we are – to put it mildly. But cannot we start to have national conversations about these things, including allowing opting out on a personal level? I think it would be a good thread to start, for the willing, but I’m not having a good day medically and must rest up.
Peace, E.

 

[estesbob]

It is doubtful that very many CAF households exclude all products made in China. Personally I am even more repelled by Chinese policies regarding abortion than by PP policies. So good luck, everyone, with your “pure” shopping. I’m not being sarcastic. Would that we could completely control where our money goes. I know that some non-Catholic households, and some Orders even, try to purchase only Fair Trade items, etc., for social justice reasons. Btw, to do that you practically have to make shopping your full-time job if you want to exclude all non-fair-trade items from your hh and still have access to all the essentials that you need in modern family and single life.

One of my problems with PP is their title. It seems that Unplanned Parenthood is as much a part of their activity as contraceptive counseling. As to their services for teenage girls, I don’t have any objection to their providing things like low-cost or free exams. But, short of hijacking the thread, I do think that there’s something we need to think about as a nation, and this is what I have brought up a few times on another thread as well. I do not subscribe to the feasibility of the Roman Catholic Church dictating national policy, even surreptitiously. But I think it would help to have a national policy, with (name removed by moderator)ut from religious institutions, regarding teenage sex, because the assumption of it, or lack of it, affects public education in K-12 schools.

The Netherlands, for example, does assume that teenagers will have sex. The country supports it, provides extensive contraceptive counseling, and puts the responsibility of contraceptive education and use on the teenage population, which apparently does an excellent job of that. (The country’s abortion rate and teenage pregnancy rate is very low.) I do not approve of teenage sex, for teenagers of any faith or no faith. I think it’s a terrible idea for a variety of rasons. Yes, I know that millenia ago, teenagers routinely married. But that was married sex.

But the point is that there’s a consistency about what’s provided in the Netherlands, the education about it, the funding of it, and a national policy. Yes their country is far less pluralistic than we are – to put it mildly. But cannot we start to have national conversations about these things, including allowing opting out on a personal level? I think it would be a good thread to start, for the willing, but I’m not having a good day medically and must rest up.
Peace, E.

The abortion rate in the Netherlands is 182.8 per 1,000 live births

In the US it is 198.4 per 1,000 live births.

That is a difference is only 1.6% - statisitcally insignificant.

johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html#ST

In Mexcio where abortion is severely restricted it is .38 per thousand.

 

[Elizabeth502]

OK, estesbob. I did not know that. The statistics I had found, a couple of weeks ago, stated that it was like 5-7% (vs. typically 20+% in other countries, including Latin American countries where illegal abortions are frequent). Perhaps my statistics for the Netherlands are outdated, and if so, I apologize. I was actually referring, though, to teenage abortion rates there and teenage sex, specifically. Maybe in my medical fog I neglected to make that distinction. Enough of my hijacking.

 

[Rence]

You make it sound like PP is the only source for free or reduced cost mammograms.

Yeah, unfortunately, in some places it is That’s why community outreach is so important.

Could Susan G K…provide the service to others without directing to PP?

Yes of course they could. But PP is one of the largest entities to serve women. I’m sure they give to other institutions. And of course, there are hospitals that promote free health fairs and health screenings (including mammograms), it’s just that not all places have them.

I have a hard time with groups that are selective of which life has relevance

I completely understand you Kimmie. I’m not arguing with you about what you choose to support or endorse. I’m just saying, not everyone has access to affordable heathcare and can’t pick and choose where to go.

If Satin was a fisherman…would he not use the best bait?

Of course, but bait comes in all forms. Keep in mind, going to PP for a free mammogram doesn’t make Satan happy. But I’m sure he jumps hoops when ones goes to PP for an abortion. Is the person in charge of giving free mammograms the instrument of the devil? One can argue about that. But I’m betting not. I’d be pointing to those involved with the abortions.

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

great detective work… I guess your crystal ball is all shined and ready to go…

I thought it was good detecting

It doesn’t bother a me a bit that you call me a relativist…as I am not one of those who go cryin’ to the mods…

Thanks for that, I didnt like getting in trouble when I was a kid, never mind now.

I guess Albert Einstein was wrong…

lol, took me a second to get this one, but I like it.

Now look Julianna, the simple solution to the high grass would be to get a cow. Cows are great lawn mowers. So if Toro supports abortion (not saying it does, just using an example folks), just buy a cow, preferably a lactating one why do people get so upset about long grass when it’s such an easy fix?

Sounds good, but logically flawed. If Toro supports abortion, buy a briggs and stratton.

You know what? that’s a really good point. Surely if it was a Catholic requirement to boycott companies or only buy things from certain companies, the Church would be telling us about it. What is the Church’s stance on this? Is there a master boycott list that the Vatican has put out? What does the Church say about boycotting those who provide goods and services?

The point is not that there is an official list. The point is to be agood steward of what God has given you. God has given us all everything we have, so we must treat it as God would want. Would God want us to give money (assuming you have knowledge of funding for immoral activities) to people that support abortion? I doubt it. Imagine the parable of the Talents if one had given 5% of the money to a pagan god?

Question:
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We are called to be good stewards.

Does good stewardship stop at picking up litter?

Or does good stewardship include what we do / do not support?

Being a good steward does not necessitate constant searching for companies to avoid. It DOES, however, necessitate that when we know people are mis-using our money or time that we stop supporting those people.

That does NOT mean that I look down on people who disagree with me. I cannot accept the opinion that it is ok to support PP, for any reason. I will not say that anyone MUST follow what I follow, but I will make sure that people know when what they are doing or supporting is immoral.

A friend of mine (Evangelical Christian) uses this analogy:

“If I offered you a plate of brownies and you knew that they would be the most delicious brownies you would ever eat, but I told you that I mixed a tablespoon of my poop into them, would you eat one?”

As gross as it is, it fits the current situation.

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[FidesSpesCarita]

Yeah, unfortunately, in some places it is That’s why community outreach is so important.

Yes of course they could. But PP is one of the largest entities to serve women. I’m sure they give to other institutions. And of course, there are hospitals that promote free health fairs and health screenings (including mammograms), it’s just that not all places have them.

I completely understand you Kimmie. I’m not arguing with you about what you choose to support or endorse. I’m just saying, not everyone has access to affordable heathcare and can’t pick and choose where to go.

Of course, but bait comes in all forms. Keep in mind, going to PP for a free mammogram doesn’t make Satan happy. But I’m sure he jumps hoops when ones goes to PP for an abortion. Is the person in charge of giving free mammograms the instrument of the devil? One can argue about that. But I’m betting not. I’d be pointing to those involved with the abortions.

This post reminds me of Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.”

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[kimmielittle]

A friend of mine (Evangelical Christian) uses this analogy:

“If I offered you a plate of brownies and you knew that they would be the most delicious brownies you would ever eat, but I told you that I mixed a tablespoon of my poop into them, would you eat one?”

As gross as it is, it fits the current situation.

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EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW… BUT it is how I think about it too

 

[kimmielittle]

Yeah, unfortunately, in some places it is That’s why community outreach is so important.

Did you know Tribal Elders most noticeably on The Pine Ridge ] have been able to keep Planned Parenthood off our reservations…UNTIL ObamaCare…put in the Native American initiatives within Healthcare. It was Lobbied hard by PP…because they PP ] couldn’t force their way in.

 

[Rence]

Did you know Tribal Elders most noticeably on The Pine Ridge ] have been able to keep Planned Parenthood off our reservations…UNTIL ObamaCare…put in the Native American initiatives within Healthcare. It was Lobbied hard by PP…because they PP ] couldn’t force their way in.

Kimmie, this could be a very good teaching opportunity. Use them for their non-abortion services. If they don’t have clients for their abortion services, they can’t provide them. Or better yet, run them off the reservations by NOT using them at all. Wouldn’t that be an example worth teaching?

 

[estesbob]

Agan the problem with this thread is that Wal-Mart does NOT support the Komen foundation.

 

[estesbob]

OK, estesbob. I did not know that. The statistics I had found, a couple of weeks ago, stated that it was like 5-7% (vs. typically 20+% in other countries, including Latin American countries where illegal abortions are frequent). Perhaps my statistics for the Netherlands are outdated, and if so, I apologize. I was actually referring, though, to teenage abortion rates there and teenage sex, specifically. Maybe in my medical fog I neglected to make that distinction. Enough of my hijacking.

Hope you get to feeling better! Ill say a prayer for you.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Thank you!

 

[kimmielittle]

Kimmie, this could be a very good teaching opportunity. Use them for their non-abortion services. If they don’t have clients for their abortion services, they can’t provide them. Or better yet, run them off the reservations by NOT using them at all. Wouldn’t that be an example worth teaching?

How does someone close down…

A new report from the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) on federal tax money funneled into Planned Parenthood and similar organizations raises more questions than it answers about the nation’s largest abortion chain.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America’s (PPFA) audits show the organization spent just $657.1 million between 2002 and 2008 from federal government grants and programs, but the abortion behemoth’s own annual reports show that it took in** $2.3 billion from government grants and programs during the same time period.** washingtontimes.com/news/…sing-millions/

IMHO The best teaching…came when we kept them out. We were one of the last standing bulwarks

They had to break us…to gain credibility throughout other regions in the world of Native Peoples.

Without being able to break us…it made it harder to sell their culture of death.

They needed this Political coup and couldn’t get it from us…soooooooooooo

 

[Rence]

How does someone close down…

I didn’t say anything about “close down”, I said “NOT using them at all”

IMHO The best teaching…came when we kept them out. We were one of the last standing bulwarks
They had to break us…to gain credibility throughout other regions in the world of Native Peoples.
Without being able to break us…it made it harder to sell their culture of death.
They needed this Political coup and couldn’t get it from us…soooooooooooo

You can’t do anything about changing the past. You can only work towards your future. If you don’t like them being there, don’t use them.

 

[Pitcharan]

We must also stop buying things at Walmart because they sell stuff with the pink ribbon.

Tell your pastors and social groups that a boycott of Walmart must begin now.

Also on a much more closely related to death culture note, Walmart through its support of the communist government in China is directly connected to that governments forced abortion policy.

If you are a faithful Catholic it should be forbidden for us to step foot in that corporations stores.

Peace

While our intentions may be lofty, actions may not be effective and sometimes may even become counter productive. Why not devout our energies positively in creating / increasing awareness about the evil called abortion. Mother Teresa has already shown us the way; let us continue carrying her torch. Recall her words: “But I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?”
Do look up these links: freerepublic.com/focus/news/1890743/posts & gargaro.com/mother_teresa/quotes.html

 

[kimmielittle]

I didn’t say anything about “close down”, I said “NOT using them at all”

You can’t do anything about changing the past.

Thinking this way…leaves us to stay in the past I wonder if you really mean this statement? Our whole Country is based on changing the past…???

You can only work towards your future.

Our future was not embracing this…AND We as a Nation of People saw it

Planned Parenthood founder Margaret “Negro Project” Sanger was a white supremacist. Today Planned Parenthood abortion mills are located almost exclusively in minority areas, so minorities disproportionately abort their progeny compared to whites.

Sanger said

In it she argued that birth control clinics, or bureaus, should be established “in which men and women will be taught the science of parenthood and the science of breeding.” For this was the way “to breed out of the race the scourges of transmissible disease, mental defect, poverty, lawlessness, crime … since these classes would be *decreasing *in number instead of **breeding like weeds **[emphasis added].”16