Wanting to become a traditional Catholic

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Hey everyone,

So since iv began my journey back to mother Church I have had a greoimg interest in traditionalism. It has mainly been peaked due to the lax and undevout feel iv gotten from many people I know who are Catholic. One of the reasons causing my journey back to Catholisim is the tradition, orthodoxy and rituals. I attended a few Protestant services at the beginning of college with some friends and the modernistic “capatlism” like Christianity of their service really turned me off and pushed me back to the church. Now that iv commited to my faith as a Catholic fully I have seen a lot of things I’m not a huge fan of in the NO mass and gotten a lot of bad information from liberally minded catholics. The thing I’m struggling with is finding good advice and info on traditionalism that isn’t full of sedavacanists, SSPX or other people outside of union with Rome. Although I prefer the traditionilist approach I also fully accept Vatican 2 as valid and want to remain in union with Rome. So far I either find people way to modern/liberal for my liking, or way to traditional that they just critique everything.

Can any one give me some advice on how to learn about traditionalism and the Extrodinary mass without being misled by those in schism?

Thank you and God Bless
 
My advise to you would be to visit the Sancta Missa website and study the various videos and read as much about the EF Mass as possible. sanctamissa.org/en/

Next visit the FSSP website and find the closest Mass offered by them. fssp.com/press/

Depending on where you live, go to Mass at the closest location and just soak in the beauty. Most of the parishes have the red missalettes available with the current Propers inserted.

Don’t give up on one visit; keep going back. You’ll catch on soon enough.

God Bless. :highprayer:
 
I second the advice to check out the FSSP (aka Priestly Fraternity of St Peter), they are fully traditional and fully obedient to the Church. There’s also the ICRSS (Institute of Christ the King, Sovereign Priest).

You can find more listings of Church-approved Latin Masses in North America at the Ecclesia Dei Coalition website.
 
The advice given are good. However, be conscious that you will find undevout persons everywhere and that there are also very reverent and beautiful masses in the ordinary form. Also you can’t “become a traditional Catholic”: you may prefer the extraordinary form, but Tradition has a much greater meaning. Every devout and faithful Catholic is in his own way “traditional”.
 
Thank you for the advice so far
GetUp said:
The advice given are good. However, be conscious that you will find undevout persons everywhere and that there are also very reverent and beautiful masses in the ordinary form. Also you can’t “become a traditional Catholic”: you may prefer the extraordinary form, but Tradition has a much greater meaning. Every devout and faithful Catholic is in his own way “traditional”.
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Yes I understand I didn’t mean any offense. I was just curious about how I should go about attending and learning about the Extrodinary fourm.
 
Yes I understand I didn’t mean any offense. I was just curious about how I should go about attending and learning about the Extraordinary form.
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A lot of this depends on geography. In some parts of the country, finding a traditional Latin Mass is difficult. However, most archdioceses do have at least one (1) parish that regularly holds Latin Masses. You can check your local Archdiocese to determine which parishes near you offer the Latin Mass, or call your Archdiocese directly.

If there is no Latin Mass offered by the Archdiocese, then you have some hard choices to make. If you are adamant about being a traditional Catholic, you are faced with the difficult choice as to whether to attend a church that is not affiliated with Rome. This is not an easy decision, and there are both advantages and disadvantages for pursuing this avenue that are not to be taken lightly.
Can any one give me some advice on how to learn about traditionalism and the Extraordinary mass without being misled by those in schism?
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Your best bet is to find a local parish that regularly celebrates the Latin Mass.

Buy a Roman Missal and attend the Latin Mass daily. This will definitely immerse yourself in traditionalism.

As far as Missals are concerned, my favorite is the St. Andrew’s Daily Missal. You can buy a copy on Amazon or even eBay. I have used several missals over the years, but the St. Andrew’s Missal is by far the most complete and contains a wealth of information on the traditional Latin Mass. Baronius Press also has a nice version of the Roman Missal as well. There are all kinds of opinions about which missal to purchase, but you will definitely need a Roman Missal if you want to follow along with the canon of the Mass.

Lastly, pick up a copy of the Monastic Diurnale from The Abbey Shop in England. You can use this for daily prayer. They also sell some of the most incredible St. Benedict rosaries as well - very traditional.

Armed with a Roman Missal, the Monastic Diurnale, and a Benedictine Rosary, and you will be on your way.

The last item – a Scapular. You will want to start to wear a blessed scapular daily. The brown Mt. Carmel scapular is the most well-known. Rose Scapular sells the traditional type. Good luck, my friend.
 
Even if an EF isn’t available in your area, you can find “tradition” in many places. For example, a study of the Liturgy of the Hours as it now exists, will allow you to find elements of the Monastic Breviary in it. Moreover the basic structure and notion of praying at regular hours around the psalms goes back thousands of years… in fact back into Judaism.

That said, there are now resources to pray the Liturgy of the Hours in Gregorian chant. There are churches, monasteries and other religious communities using Gregorian chant even in the Ordinary Form; those Masses tend to be more faithful to Scrosanctum Concilium, and will thus have much more continuity with the EF, to the point that in some places the uninitiated will have a hard time telling the difference (attend a solemn mass at the abbey of Monte Cassino in Italy, in Latin, in the Ordinary Form, ad orientem, traditional vestments, and you’ll see, hear and smell what I mean). There are also small (like ours), medium and large choirs and scholas that do bring chant to parishes as ours does.

So if you widen your search a bit to something beyond the 1962 missal/1960 breviary you will find many elements of “traditional” Catholicism alive and well, and supported by enthusiastic people like oblates, choir members, etc. I think in so doing one may become less disenchanted with the state of the Church.

Of course the EF is also an option where available. There are also monasteries that do the EF either exclusively or alternating with the OF.
 
StGerardMajella said:
If there is no Latin Mass offered by the Archdiocese, then you have some hard choices to make. If you are adamant about being a traditional Catholic, you are faced with the difficult choice as to whether to attend a church that is not affiliated with Rome. This is not an easy decision, and there are both advantages and disadvantages for pursuing this avenue that are not to be taken lightly.
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If one truly wants to be Catholic, then there is no hard choice to make at all; it is exceedingly simple and easy.

One simply stays in the Church.

The alternative is to put form over substance.
 
If one truly wants to be Catholic, then there is no hard choice to make at all; it is exceedingly simple and easy.
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We would be deluding ourselves if we stated that being a Catholic is 'simple and easy", traditional or otherwise.
 
otjm said:
If one truly wants to be Catholic, then there is no hard choice to make at all; it is exceedingly simple and easy.

One simply stays in the Church.

The alternative is to put form over substance.
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This is so true.
All Catholics hold the tradition of the Church. Believe it or not.
It has less to do with the sights, smells, music , and vestments as it does with living the Gospel and partaking worthily of the Holy Eucharist.
 
OraLabora said:
Even if an EF isn’t available in your area, you can find “tradition” in many places. For example, a study of the Liturgy of the Hours as it now exists, will allow you to find elements of the Monastic Breviary in it. Moreover the basic structure and notion of praying at regular hours around the psalms goes back thousands of years… in fact back into Judaism.
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How does one go about praying around the psalms?
 
Well I looked it up and there are no EF in my area. The closest is an hour and a half away so I may be able to attend a few times but financially I cannot make it every Sunday. I will of course continue to attend the NO because I see nothing wrong with it. Would it be acceptable for me to kneel for communion at the NO? I feel unworthy to touch it in my hands
 
LoganBice said:
Well I looked it up and there are no EF in my area. The closest is an hour and a half away so I may be able to attend a few times but financially I cannot make it every Sunday. I will of course continue to attend the NO because I see nothing wrong with it. Would it be acceptable for me to kneel for communion at the NO? I feel unworthy to touch it in my hands
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You’ll have to find out what the Bishop has directed his parishes to do.
 
StGerardMajella said:
If there is no Latin Mass offered by the Archdiocese, then you have some hard choices to make. If you are adamant about being a traditional Catholic, you are faced with the difficult choice as to whether to attend a church that is not affiliated with Rome. This is not an easy decision, and there are both advantages and disadvantages for pursuing this avenue that are not to be taken lightly.
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An alternative is one of the Eastern Rites in communion with Rome.
 
ProVobis said:
An alternative is one of the Eastern Rites in communion with Rome.
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True but I don’t think there are any here either. I go to college in a small Oklahoma town so I’m lucky that there are ANY Catholic Churches. Guess I’ll have to wait until next year when I graduate 😦 before I can attend any EF or Eastern Rites. At least regularly.
 
LoganBice said:
True but I don’t think there are any here either. I go to college in a small Oklahoma town so I’m lucky that there are ANY Catholic Churches. Guess I’ll have to wait until next year when I graduate 😦 before I can attend any EF or Eastern Rites. At least regularly.
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See if you can find a job near Chicago or Arlington VA.

Good luck in your studies in the meantime.
 
LoganBice said:
Hey everyone,

So since iv began my journey back to mother Church I have had a greoimg interest in traditionalism. It has mainly been peaked due to the lax and undevout feel iv gotten from many people I know who are Catholic. One of the reasons causing my journey back to Catholisim is the tradition, orthodoxy and rituals. I attended a few Protestant services at the beginning of college with some friends and the modernistic “capatlism” like Christianity of their service really turned me off and pushed me back to the church. Now that iv commited to my faith as a Catholic fully I have seen a lot of things I’m not a huge fan of in the NO mass and gotten a lot of bad information from liberally minded catholics. The thing I’m struggling with is finding good advice and info on traditionalism that isn’t full of sedavacanists, SSPX or other people outside of union with Rome. Although I prefer the traditionilist approach I also fully accept Vatican 2 as valid and want to remain in union with Rome. So far I either find people way to modern/liberal for my liking, or way to traditional that they just critique everything.

Can any one give me some advice on how to learn about traditionalism and the Extrodinary mass without being misled by those in schism?

Thank you and God Bless
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Hi,

All I can say is the Extraordinary Form and the New are meant to be two forms of the same rite. There was and will continue to be those who will speak about and accept the liberal views of the world and Catholics who will be more critical about the world as they see it today. Regardless, we are united in worshiping God in the EF and the OF. It would be easy to paint those we come in contact with as being different from other Catholics. The only real differences involve how much we live our Catholic lives and how well we convey that to others. Labeling doesn’t help. We all (including me) need to understand our faith better. Some things are authentically Catholic or not Catholic, not this sub-group or that sub-group. We are all part of one body in Christ.

Pope Benedict:

"In the first place, there is the fear that the document detracts from the authority of the Second Vatican Council, one of whose essential decisions – the liturgical reform – is being called into question.

"This fear is unfounded. In this regard, it must first be said that the Missal published by Paul VI and then republished in two subsequent editions by John Paul II, obviously is and continues to be the normal Form – the Forma ordinaria – of the Eucharistic Liturgy. The last version of the Missale Romanum prior to the Council, which was published with the authority of Pope John XXIII in 1962 and used during the Council, will now be able to be used as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgical celebration. It is not appropriate to speak of these two versions of the Roman Missal as if they were “two Rites”. Rather, it is a matter of a twofold use of one and the same rite.

“As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted. At the time of the introduction of the new Missal, it did not seem necessary to issue specific norms for the possible use of the earlier Missal. Probably it was thought that it would be a matter of a few individual cases which would be resolved, case by case, on the local level. Afterwards, however, it soon became apparent that a good number of people remained strongly attached to this usage of the Roman Rite, which had been familiar to them from childhood. This was especially the case in countries where the liturgical movement had provided many people with a notable liturgical formation and a deep, personal familiarity with the earlier Form of the liturgical celebration. We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level. Many people who clearly accepted the binding character of the Second Vatican Council, and were faithful to the Pope and the Bishops, nonetheless also desired to recover the form of the sacred liturgy that was dear to them. This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.”

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Hi,

All I can say is the Extraordinary Form and the New are meant to be two forms of the same rite. There was and will continue to be those who will speak about and accept the liberal views of the world and Catholics who will be more critical about the world as they see it today. Regardless, we are united in worshiping God in the EF and the OF. It would be easy to paint those we come in contact with as being different from other Catholics. The only real differences involve how much we live our Catholic lives and how well we convey that to others. Labeling doesn’t help. We all (including me) need to understand our faith better. Some things are authentically Catholic or not Catholic, not this sub-group or that sub-group. We are all part of one body in Christ.

Pope Benedict:

"In the first place, there is the fear that the document detracts from the authority of the Second Vatican Council, one of whose essential decisions – the liturgical reform – is being called into question.

"This fear is unfounded. In this regard, it must first be said that the Missal published by Paul VI and then republished in two subsequent editions by John Paul II, obviously is and continues to be the normal Form – the Forma ordinaria – of the Eucharistic Liturgy. The last version of the Missale Romanum prior to the Council, which was published with the authority of Pope John XXIII in 1962 and used during the Council, will now be able to be used as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgical celebration. It is not appropriate to speak of these two versions of the Roman Missal as if they were “two Rites”. Rather, it is a matter of a twofold use of one and the same rite.

“As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a Forma extraordinaria of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted. At the time of the introduction of the new Missal, it did not seem necessary to issue specific norms for the possible use of the earlier Missal. Probably it was thought that it would be a matter of a few individual cases which would be resolved, case by case, on the local level. Afterwards, however, it soon became apparent that a good number of people remained strongly attached to this usage of the Roman Rite, which had been familiar to them from childhood. This was especially the case in countries where the liturgical movement had provided many people with a notable liturgical formation and a deep, personal familiarity with the earlier Form of the liturgical celebration. We all know that, in the movement led by Archbishop Lefebvre, fidelity to the old Missal became an external mark of identity; the reasons for the break which arose over this, however, were at a deeper level. Many people who clearly accepted the binding character of the Second Vatican Council, and were faithful to the Pope and the Bishops, nonetheless also desired to recover the form of the sacred liturgy that was dear to them. This occurred above all because in many places celebrations were not faithful to the prescriptions of the new Missal, but the latter actually was understood as authorizing or even requiring creativity, which frequently led to deformations of the liturgy which were hard to bear. I am speaking from experience, since I too lived through that period with all its hopes and its confusion. And I have seen how arbitrary deformations of the liturgy caused deep pain to individuals totally rooted in the faith of the Church.”

Peace,
Ed
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Thank you I agree with you. I shouldn’t label and I do need to work on my faith more. God bless
 
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