Wanting to become a traditional Catholic

[edwest2]

Thank you I agree with you. I shouldn’t label and I do need to work on my faith more. God bless

You’re welcome. Be at peace. Everything I’ve been reading Pope Francis talk about in authentic Catholic publications reminds me of things I’ve known and helps me feel closer to God and what the Church expects from Catholics in today’s world.

God bless,
Ed

 

[corsair]

LoganBice,

My wife and I drive 80 miles each way every Sunday and 1st Fridays and Holy Days. Not as tough as it was 4 years ago when we drove 120 miles each way. Sometimes we car pool with others and share expenses.

All this takes a little planning but it can be done.

 

[LoganBice]

LoganBice,

My wife and I drive 80 miles each way every Sunday and 1st Fridays and Holy Days. Not as tough as it was 4 years ago when we drove 120 miles each way. Sometimes we car pool with others and share expenses.

All this takes a little planning but it can be done.

This is true. I don’t have any Catholic friends (at least none that arnt cafeteria catholics) to carpool with unfortunately, guess I’ll just have to force them

 

[otjm]

How does one go about praying around the psalms?

Assuming you wish to use the current Office, the easiest was to start, although certainly not very complete, is through the publication The Magnificat. It has part of Lauds and Vespers (often referred to as Morning Praise and Evensong) as well as Mass readings and meditations.

If you wish to say Lauds and Vespers and Compline, then Shorter Christian Prayer is more complete, and I would not suggest going beyond that until you have established and appreciate saying them on a fairly regular basis.

Beyond that, there is a one volume Christian Prayer; because it is more extended, you might not want to jump straight into it.

And beyond that, there is the 4 volume Liturgy of the Hours.

 

[danmurloy]

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[GetUp]

Yes I understand I didn’t mean any offense. I was just curious about how I should go about attending and learning about the Extrodinary form.

And I wasn’t offended! Actually I used to often go to the mass in the extraordinary form, I was even an altar boy in both forms. I don’t anymore because it’s not very convenient for me but also because my parish has a simple but very reverent liturgy in the ordinary form (and in English).

You got plenty of good advice. If you want to kneel for communion you should ask your priest about it. You can also receive the communion on the tongue while standing.
It’s also a good thing to tell your priest when you found the music or the liturgy particularly beautiful.

For the liturgy of hours I use a wonderful free app called iBreviary. It’s very useful for students because we already have so many things to carry!

 

[OraLabora]

How does one go about praying around the psalms?

By praying the Liturgy of the Hours. It is based on the psalms, and the psalms are prayer.

 

[Magdalen2013]

How does one go about praying around the psalms?

The reference is to the Liturgy of the Hours – check out: www.divineoffice.org

 

[TheLeastofThese]

This is so true.
All Catholics hold the tradition of the Church. Believe it or not.
It has less to do with the sights, smells, music , and vestments as it does with living the Gospel and partaking worthily of the Holy Eucharist.

Very well said!

 

[Lormar]

Logan, why don’t you contact either the Fraternity of St. Peter or the Institute of Christ the King and ask their assistance?

Don’t let anyone deter you from discovering the old Mass.

 

[Lormar]

This thread reminds me, and it is a good place to ask my question.

A few weeks ago, someone on here said that both forms of Mass have the same value in the “eyes of God” (that was the phrase used). Can someone here provide me with a statement from a pope saying that? :

 

[Denise1957]

Well I looked it up and there are no EF in my area. The closest is an hour and a half away so I may be able to attend a few times but financially I cannot make it every Sunday. I will of course continue to attend the NO because I see nothing wrong with it. Would it be acceptable for me to kneel for communion at the NO? I feel unworthy to touch it in my hands

Maybe you already know about these EF locations in Oklahoma. All are approved by the bishop.

1. Sts Peter and Paul in Tulsa (FSSP)
2. Holy Cross, in Wagoner, OK (EF Mass at 11:30 am on Sunday)
3. Saint Damien parish, Edmund, OK (FSSP)
4. Clear Creek Monestery, Hulbert, OK

About kneeling for receiving communion. It might be better to just receive it on the tongue while standing at the OF Mass. That way you won’t have to touch it. Most priests are fine with giving communion on the tongue when standing, but kneeling might bother some priests. You could also ask the priest about kneeling, ahead of time.

 

[OraLabora]

Maybe you already know about these EF locations in Oklahoma. All are approved by the bishop.
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1. Clear Creek Monestery, Hulbert, OK

The Bishop has no jurisdiction over Clear Creek. Clear Creek is a monastery of the Solesmes Congregation (the same as the abbey I belong to), and is an institute of consecrated life of Pontifical Right. But yes they do have an approved EF Mass, and they do the Divine Office according to the 1500 year old Benedictine schema in its pre-Vatican II form.

That said I think folks here are taking too narrow a view of “tradition”. There are many ways in which tradition continues in the Ordinary Form. Gregorian chant is one. The Graduale Romanum was revised post-Vatican II to correspond to the three-year Sunday and 2-year weekday cycle of readings. Thus the patrimony has been preserved.

Also in the Liturgy of the Hours, Gregorian chant is finally being applied to it, with the first volume of an official antiphonary (Antiphonale Romanum Vol II), and an unofficial but approved antiphonary (Les Heures Grégoriennes, in Latin/French; it’s designed for the Commnunauté St. Martin in France but has the Concordat thus can be used for others as well as it follows the General Roman and Francophone countries’ calendars). Moreover in the much-maligned (by traditionalists) Liturgy of the Hours there are several elements of tradition (especially Benedictine) that carried over to it, if one digs around a bit.

A bit of a wish on my part: that people invest the same effort in assuring the patrimony of chant survives in the Ordinary Form, as they do in reviving the Extraordinary Form. And instead of complaining about how the OF/LOTH has poor/no music, lackadaisical respect of the rubrics, etc., do something about it. A bunch of men in Sherbrooke, Quebec (and this happens elsewhere) have done just that and formed a schola that does the OF Mass in Gregorian chant once a month in different parishes, and also does the Liturgy of the Hours (solemn Vespers) in Gregorian chant once or twice in each of Advent and Lent. If folks don’t get involved, chant will die out from the Ordinary Form except in monasteries.

 

[Denise1957]

Logan,

I forgot to mention in my recent post that if you live anywhere near McAlester, Oklahoma, there’s a parish there that I once attended for a weekday Mass (OF), called St. John the Evangelist. The Mass was celebrated in a small chapel on the grounds, rather than the large church (probably to save money on air-conditioning, since it was August!). I was very impressed with the OF Mass and the priest (very humble), in that it was one of the most reverently celebrated Masses I’d attended in awhile. God bless!

 

[aTraditionalist]

LoganBice:

Well I looked it up and there are no EF in my area. The closest is an hour and a half away so I may be able to attend a few times but financially I cannot make it every Sunday. I will of course continue to attend the NO because I see nothing wrong with it. Would it be acceptable for me to kneel for communion at the NO? I feel unworthy to touch it in my hands

Please feel free to receive on the tongue while kneeling from the priest. Nobody can stop you from receiving this way.

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[otjm]

Please feel free to receive on the tongue while kneeling from the priest. Nobody can stop you from receiving this way.

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Of course, following the direction of the bishop, who is the spiritual and legal head of the diocese has no bearing on the matter.

Or does it? When the bishop gives a direction, and others choose not to follow it, when does that carry over into a version of cafeteria Catholic?

 

[aTraditionalist]

Of course, following the direction of the bishop, who is the spiritual and legal head of the diocese has no bearing on the matter.

Or does it? When the bishop gives a direction, and others choose not to follow it, when does that carry over into a version of cafeteria Catholic?

A bishop does not have the authority to overrule the Church. Communion on the tongue is universal law. Communion in the hand is by indult only with a litany of qualifying circumstances and rules that must be followed. So no a bishop cannot legitimately tell someone to not follow the law.

 

[UntimelyBourn]

Rome has spoken. If you wish to kneel for Communion, you may do so.

“… Even where the Congregation [Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments] has approved of legislation denoting standing as the posture for Holy Communion, in accordance with the adaptations permitted to the Conferences of Bishops by the Institution Generalis Missalis Romani n. 160, paragraph 2, it has done so with the stipulation that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds.”

Must Catholics Stand for Communion?

 

[otjm]

Rome has spoken. If you wish to kneel for Communion, you may do so.

“… Even where the Congregation [Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments] has approved of legislation denoting standing as the posture for Holy Communion, in accordance with the adaptations permitted to the Conferences of Bishops by the Institution Generalis Missalis Romani n. 160, paragraph 2, it has done so with the stipulation that communicants who choose to kneel are not to be denied Holy Communion on these grounds.”

Must Catholics Stand for Communion?

It said you could not be denied Communion.

That is not permission to do so; it is directed to the pastor that he may not impose a punishment- which was what was happening.

It still results in a form of cafeteria Catholicism; the bishop sets the rule, and the communicant ignores it. Wonderful sense of authority, headship, prayerful leadership, sacrifice…

And so we have individuals who choose to not follow the bishop on the matter, some of whom are in the front of the very first rank to complain when someone else - pastor or pew sitter - does not follow another rubric.

Makes perfect sense to me.

 

[otjm]

A bishop does not have the authority to overrule the Church. Communion on the tongue is universal law. Communion in the hand is by indult only with a litany of qualifying circumstances and rules that must be followed. So no a bishop cannot legitimately tell someone to not follow the law.

A bishop specifically has the authority to state the posture for the reception of Communion. I didn’t reference Communion in the hand; I referenced standing to receive.