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I have been thinking of this problem for a long time but I couldn’t find any solution for it. The problem is related to wanting. By wanting I mean a self-caused motion which manifests itself to something which has content. How could possibly an agent create something with content from nothing? This most of the time leads me to think that wanting is not self-caused but merely the result of cause and effect, physical process. We are free agents in first case and machines in the second case.
 
I have been thinking of this problem for a long time but I couldn’t find any solution for it. The problem is related to wanting. By wanting I mean a self-caused motion which manifests itself to something which has content. How could possibly an agent create something with content from nothing? This most of the time leads me to think that wanting is not self-caused but merely the result of cause and effect, physical process. We are free agents in first case and machines in the second case.
What the true problem here is you cannot understand how God can have control over us, but love us enough to give up that control and let us control rather we choose to love him or not.

Simple as that. The answer is Love is something that cannot be controlled. Thanks to the free will given to us by God.

While humans can believe they can buy Love, The divine in us knows money cannot buy Love. Only Love can buy Love. Which is why by the Love God gives us and the freedom to fly, we fly back to him.
 
What the true problem here is you cannot understand how God can have control over us, but love us enough to give up that control and let us control rather we choose to love him or not.
It seems that you misunderstood the OP. We are talking about how one agent can self-caused or create wanting which has content.
Simple as that. The answer is Love is something that cannot be controlled. Thanks to the free will given to us by God.
We can of course control love considering the fact that we are rational beings.
While humans can believe they can buy Love, The divine in us knows money cannot buy Love. Only Love can buy Love. Which is why by the Love God gives us and the freedom to fly, we fly back to him.
I don’t understand how this is related to the topic of this thread.
 
I’m not sure I understand every statement in the first post, but I would not say wanting comes from nothing. We don’t want food until we’re hungry, or warmth unless we’re cold. Wanting is, in a sense, caused. We want when some object (hunger, coldness, a particular sensation, a question to which we don’t know an answer…) presents itself to us. It’s the intellect and will that allow voluntary response to such things, the intellect comprehending and the will directing.
 
What the true problem here is you cannot understand how God can have control over us, but love us enough to give up that control and let us control rather we choose to love him or not.

Simple as that. The answer is Love is something that cannot be controlled. Thanks to the free will given to us by God.

While humans can believe they can buy Love, The divine in us knows money cannot buy Love. Only Love can buy Love. Which is why by the Love God gives us and the freedom to fly, we fly back to him.
Wow, rinni, that was profound…!
 
I’m not sure I understand every statement in the first post, but I would not say wanting comes from nothing.
No, wanting could comes from nothing if we have free will. You can choose X or Y. Where your choice come from? Nowhere. On top of that I think we can make a choice which has content.
We don’t want food until we’re hungry, or warmth unless we’re cold. Wanting is, in a sense, caused. We want when some object (hunger, coldness, a particular sensation, a question to which we don’t know an answer…) presents itself to us.
Lets call all sort of wanting which is caused as needing. So we have needing which is caused and we have wanting which is self-caused, when it comes to a free choice, if there is any.
It’s the intellect and will that allow voluntary response to such things, the intellect comprehending and the will directing.
Yes, that is the problem, the will, which is self-caused therefore its outcome comes from nowhere. It is the person who makes the decision and that cannot be caused by something else. The question is how such a thing is possible? How one can make/create a choice which even has content, example: I want it this way or that way. There are two scenarios available here: The content comes from needing or we even create the content.

So there are two things involved in everytime we make a free decision: (1) We choose the option, which is not caused by anything else therefore it is self-caused therefore it comes from nowhere and (2) We even create the content for what we want which this is not caused by anything else therefore it is self-caused therefore it comes from nowhere.

You could of course say that the content comes from needing therefore it is caused but that questions freedom in choosing.

In simple word, we are either creative in choosing or not, free agent or machine.
 
I can tell you that reading monastic literature, east or western church, and the lives of the Saints helped me out with this a great deal.
 
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