War on Catholic Teaching

[MariaTS]

Well:

Stealing is a mortal sin.
Child molestation is a mortal sin.

I ask you: Do you find one of those more disturbing than the other?

Any form of sexual lust is a mortal sin. 90% of men are gonna go to hell, I guess.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Wrong. I am a virgin and I have chosen a life of celibacy.

Okay.

BUT: Do you claim to be in a homsexual marriage?

 

[MariaTS]

Okay.

BUT: Do you claim to be in a homsexual marriage?

Would it matter if I was in a homosexual marriage? And, I am not currently in a homosexual marriage. Also, if I were to marry anyone it would be impossible for me to be in a homosexual marriage since I am neither female nor male. More female than male but not entirely female. I currently have a boyfriend that I intend to marry but that doesn’t mean anything other than I am lucky to be in a mutually loving relationship.

 

[aspawloski4th]

You haven’t given any specifics.

Why did people want you out?

What do you mean by “fundamentalists”?

What do you mean by “those who are intolerant”?

That last one troubles me. “Tolerance” is usally code for Liberal extremism and anti-Catholic beliefs. Are you pro-choice? Are you pro-homosexual marriage? If so then you should most definitely NOT be a minister, and I would certainly NOT want you teaching at MY parish either.

Spell it out and tell us exactly what you mean.

Read between the line.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Would it matter if I was in a homosexual marriage?

Yes it would. This whole thread is based upon an alleged “War on Catholic Teaching”, and few things could be a bigger afront to Catholic moral teaching then claiming to be in a same-sex marriage.

And, I am not currently in a homosexual marriage. Also, if I were to marry anyone it would be impossible for me to be in a homosexual marriage since I am neither female nor male. More female than male but not entirely female…

I see. Well, perhaps I was a bit too haste. I apologize. I am definitely no expert on this kind of thing, but you no doubt have serious medical issues. And if I may be so bold, you no doubt have serious psycological issues that accompany those medical issues.

You should try to understand the other peoples’ viewpoint though: People are very protective of their children and can get very disturbed if any sexual… …err… …“anomoly”, were around their children. You may want to consider giving up youth ministry out of consideration for others. That may not seem fair to you, and maybe its not, but it could be the right thing to do anyway.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

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[Irish_Catholic_1]

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Uh oh, I missed this:

…I am not pro-choice when it comes to abortion but a very slim minority of abortions are acceptable. I am pro-homosexual-marriage but I do not support homosexual intercourse…

Those positions are totally at odds and incompatible with Catholic teachings. NO abortion is ever acceptable under ANY circumstance, and same-sex marriage is NOT acceptable. In fact, it is a non-sequitur: Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Anything else is not a marriage.

You are dead wrong here. You are allowing political ideology to trump Church Doctrine. That is unacceptable, especially for a so-called youth minister.

 

[MariaTS]

Yes it would. This whole thread is based upon an alleged “War on Catholic Teaching”, and few things could be a bigger affront to Catholic moral teaching then claiming to be in a same-sex marriage.

I see. Well, perhaps I was a bit too haste. I apologize. I am definitely no expert on this kind of thing, but you no doubt have serious medical issues. And if I may be so bold, you no doubt have serious psychological issues that accompany those medical issues.

You should try to understand the other peoples’ viewpoint though: People are very protective of their children and can get very disturbed if any sexual… …err… …“anomoly”, were around their children. You may want to consider giving up youth ministry out of consideration for others. That may not seem fair to you, and maybe its not, but it could be the right thing to do anyway.

Anything about homosexual marriage is a very tiny aspect of Catholic teaching, so it is not an affront to anything.

The only psychological issue that I have is Depression which is entirely situational.

Yeah right, give up my job so that parents who have attacked me and threatened me can feel comfortable and be over-joyed? How would you feel about giving up your job so that some cruel individual can be happy? The children in my Youth Ministry really like me because I am kind to them and don’t bore them to tears. I went through all the work and effort and I was hired by the church, I won’t give up something I like to do and was hired to do. I wouldn’t be doing anyone any favors if I were to give up Youth Ministry. I won’t give in to people who want to hurt or destroy me, not anymore. If I am to be a martyr then let it be done.

 

[MariaTS]

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Those positions are totally at odds and incompatible with Catholic teachings. NO abortion is ever acceptable under ANY circumstance, and same-sex marriage is NOT acceptable. In fact, it is a non-sequitur: Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Anything else is not a marriage.

You are dead wrong here. You are allowing political ideology to trump Church Doctrine. That is unacceptable, especially for a so-called youth minister.

Wrong. Abortion is acceptable if the mother will die in pregnancy or the fetus is already dead or a tumor. Homosexual Marriage is different than Marriage. Nonetheless, I support all Marriage being called a Civil Union. If you want to get married in a church then call it a Marriage. I am not allowing political ideology to get in the way of anything. None of these beliefs are against Church Doctrine.

P.S. If you are going to quote anything that I say then please quote the entire text so as to not intentionally twist my words.

 

[LutheranDK]

Well:

Stealing is a mortal sin.
Child molestation is a mortal sin.

I ask you: Do you find one of those more disturbing than the other?

Naturally! From our point of view, one is wrong the other is utterly and completely abhorrent!
But…since both are sins, does that not mean that in reality, both the thief and the paedophile (and the practicing homophile for that matter) have rebelled against God?
And that, from an RC point of view, that they will both die in a state of mortal sin?

So my question is: Does the RC church claim that one mortal sin is more “mortal” than another mortal sin? Does committing one kind of mortal sin mean being MORE in a state of mortal sin than committing another type of mortal sin?

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Anything about homosexual marriage is a very tiny aspect of Catholic teaching, so it is not an affront to anything…

And you claim to be a youth minister? The union of man and woman in matrimony is one of the bedrock creations of God, going all the way back to Genesis. It is also a Sacrament. To defile tyhat with the perversiopn of same-sex unions is most certainly an afront to Catholic teaching, to Catholic morality, and to God. You are way out of line on that subject.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Wrong. Abortion is acceptable if the mother will die in pregnancy or the fetus is already dead or a tumor…

First of all, if the BABY - not fetus, baby - is already dead, then its not an abortion now is it.

And an abortion is NOT acceptable if the mother will die in pregnancy. The BABY is still a human being, and we don’t swap human life out of convenience. How about if we were on a desert Island and I had to kill you in order for me to have enough food to survive. Would it be okay for me to kill you since my life depends on it? No it would not.

The BABY in the womb is as much a human being as you or I.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

Naturally! From our point of view, one is wrong the other is utterly and completely abhorrent!
But…since both are sins, does that not mean that in reality, both the thief and the paedophile (and the practicing homophile for that matter) have rebelled against God?
And that, from an RC point of view, that they will both die in a state of mortal sin?

So my question is: Does the RC church claim that one mortal sin is more “mortal” than another mortal sin? Does committing one kind of mortal sin mean being MORE in a state of mortal sin than committing another type of mortal sin?

I understand your point. I actually made it in another thread. LOL.

You are right: In the end, they are both mortal sins and they both have the ultimate consequence of leading to spiritual death. I said what I said from a more human point of view than from God’s point of view.

 

[MariaTS]

And you claim to be a youth minister? The union of man and woman in matrimony is one of the bedrock creations of God, going all the way back to Genesis. It is also a Sacrament. To defile that with the perversion of same-sex unions is most certainly an affront to Catholic teaching, to Catholic morality, and to God. You are way out of line on that subject.

Just because I believe this does not mean this is what I teach. I choose to stay away from discussing sexual morality with children since most of them are too young to be taught anything on such matters. I am not an affront to Catholic teaching, Catholic morality, or God. Try again sir. Yes, marriage is between a man and a woman. This is all that scripture says on this. Just because it does not address something does not mean what it neglected to address is immoral.

 

[graceandglory]

This does not belong in this topic, but I will bite. Homosexual acts implies homosexual intercourse not homosexual marriage. Also, the teaching of the Catholic Church should not be civil law. People should not take the Bible line-for-line just as well as they should not take the Catechism line-for-line. An important thing, the Catholic Church was not founded to reject scientific fact or biblical text. This exact grouping of words rejects scientific fact and biblical text.

Sounds like you reject Catholic teaching. Why don’t you find a different job?

 

[MariaTS]

First of all, if the BABY - not fetus, baby - is already dead, then its not an abortion now is it.

And an abortion is NOT acceptable if the mother will die in pregnancy. The BABY is still a human being, and we don’t swap human life out of convenience. How about if we were on a desert Island and I had to kill you in order for me to have enough food to survive. Would it be okay for me to kill you since my life depends on it? No it would not.

The BABY in the womb is as much a human being as you or I.

Fetus and Baby mean the same thing, just because I use the words interchangeably means absolutely nothing. Your other statement is entirely contradictory. It’s not okay for one human to kill another to survive but it is okay for another human to kill another to survive. Also, that scenario is unlikely if not impossible. Most of the time when the mother will die in pregnancy then the fetus will also die in pregnancy. Aborting one to save the other is more moral than letting both die.

 

[MariaTS]

Sounds like you reject Catholic teaching. Why don’t you find a different job?

I’ll tell you what. You quit your job first then I’ll quit my job because I don’t want to live on the streets alone. It will be highly unlikely for me to get another job since automatically 99% of all possible employers will refuse to interview me. You know what happens to people of very marginalized and hated minorities on the streets? Please do not wish suffering on me and pretend to be a Catholic. Also, judgment is reserved for God.

 

[Irish_Catholic_1]

I’ll tell you what. You quit your job first then I’ll quit my job because I don’t want to live on the streets alone. It will be highly unlikely for me to get another job since automatically 99% of all possible employers will refuse to interview me. You know what happens to people of very marginalized and hated minorities on the streets? Please do not wish suffering on me and pretend to be a Catholic. Also, judgment is reserved for God.

Okay, then the alternative is to quit holding positions that are contradictory to Church teaching

The Church is not some sort of Cafeteria, when you get to pick the doctrines you like and pass on the ones you don’t. This is not a democracy! Church doctrine is part of the deposit of faith - inspired by the Holy Spirit, and defined by the successors of the apostles, the bishops united to the pope. MariaTS does not decide what doctrines are right and wrong, Holy Mother Church does!

Leave you Liberal ideologies at the Church doorstep. Better yet, get rid of them, because they are at odds with Catholic teaching. No one wants you to suffer: We want you to accept true Church teaching and reject secualar modern ideas that contradict that teaching. Thats what being Catholic is all about

 

[guanophore]

The reasoning behind this is that I am Transsexual, Bisexual, and severely Physically Disabled. They do not want such an “abomination” near their children and think that they should either destroy me or pressure me into resigning. I have not done, taught, or said anything that could possibly be deemed immoral so I will not give in to arrogant bullying. I teach the Catholic Faith in the most appropriate way. I will admit, I always make the activities and the lessons fun for the children. Many parents do not think their children should have fun while learning about the Catholic Faith. Not allowing children to have any joy in their lives is child abuse. I support abortion in 1% of cases as is Church teaching but 99% of abortion is absolutely immoral. Also, I have a traditionalist approach on what type of clothing an individual should wear to church.

The only thing that makes a person a fundamentalist is ignorance and intolerance. The vast majority of fundamentalists are cherry-pick-verse-by-verse individuals. This same thing makes an extremist but generally the bible is exempt.

If you have had surgery to change your sex, then people may be thinking that you have rejected God’s plan for your life. If you are not practicing chastity, it will no doubt inflame the parishioners. I am curious about what objections your parents are having. Do they want you safe in a more liberal parish?

BTW, the Church does not approve of abortion, not even 1% of the time.

 

[Betterave]

I’ll tell you what. You quit your job first then I’ll quit my job because I don’t want to live on the streets alone. It will be highly unlikely for me to get another job since automatically 99% of all possible employers will refuse to interview me. You know what happens to people of very marginalized and hated minorities on the streets? Please do not wish suffering on me and pretend to be a Catholic. Also, judgment is reserved for God.

Judgment is not reserved for God Maria. You yourself are obviously quite prepared to make all kinds of judgments of others, so really, you’re being a hypocrite, aren’t you?

Do you really think that a Catholic has a duty/right is to avoid suffering? Is that being Christ-like? Take a look at a crucifix dear. Jesus loves you that much, but he also asks you to love him in return and to share in his cross, to not be afraid of suffering, of denying yourself. It’s not easy, especially for someone in your situation, but we’re called to trust in Him, that He will provide.