Warnings about Harry Potter

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Ok, it’s the fanatic back here to get pounded by all of you who love Harry Potter. Again, I’m not giving my opinions. LifeSiteNews.com is a Catholic website devoted to the family and more specifically, to news concerning life isuses, e.g. abortion. Here is a link to lifesitenews.com which has devoted an entire section to Harry Potter.
Brooklyn, LifeSiteNews destroyed its journalistic credibility - at least on matters related to Harry Potter - by lying about what Benedict said concerning it.

hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=26

jimmyakin.org/2005/07/lifesitenews_ca.html
 
I really don’t understand why one thing has to mean anything about the other. Yeah, I love my Harry Potter books. And I love my faith too. I don’t understand why you people think they are mutually exclusive. What inadequacy in you causes you to have to repeatedly accuse someone of neglecting Christ just because they like and enjoy something you don’t?
I didn’t accuse you of anything. The bitterness evident in your unprovoked diatribe is surprising and unbecoming.
 
I don’t know what relevance your first two points have…
Let me explain:
  1. Why are you recommending that we listen to the opinion of a pro-life site on a fictional fantasy novel that has nothing to do with their real goal?
  2. I’m merely saying that if you’re going to suggest reading material, I suggest it be material we all have easy access to.
Now as to the rest…

but as to your third point, the reason I don’t give my feelings about Harry Potter is because I have no expertise in this matter. Harry Potter never interested me one way or the other. I never gave it any thought at all until I heard what exorcists were saying about it, and not just one, but all of them, at least the ones I have heard talk or read about. Also, Spirtdaily.com, which is a Catholic news website, is always pointing out the dangers of Harry Potter. I have been giving you all the links and quotes that I can - I don’t know what more I can do.
That’s the problem. You’ve only chosen to listen to what one side has said. You don’t form your own opinion or at least hear the other side out often.
It is quite obvious that you are all huge Harry Potter fans, and nothing can deter you from that. I honestly believe that if Jesus Christ said directly to you not to have anything to do with Harry Potter, you would laugh in his face. You certainly are not listening to any of his representatives, and I have quoted from many of them.
Sorry but a what-if scenario like that is a gamble of looong odds. Didn’t I tell you? I’m very familiar with Fr. Amorth’s writings and opinions and exorcism is one of my most personal favorite subject regarding the Church. I’m a lot more informed than you think and in fact, it makes me wish I didn’t lose that book on Exorcism I bought years back. >_>;;

Regardless, you are more likely to have demonic encounters from New Age fads and revivals of old occult, pagan practices.
 
I’ve only read the first page and I’m already getting the impressiong that this is no different from fundamentalist material. I pray that the following would start making sense.
Now this sounds bit more worthy of argument. I’ll start with this quote here:
Even the most cursory glance at what is available in children’s literature and entertainment offers ample evidence that the paganization of the imagination is well underway. In the late 19th century there appeared in children’s fiction a trickle of books that began the process of redefining Christian symbols and the presentation of occult themes in a favorable light. Until then, witches and sorcerers, an important element of traditional fables and fairy tales, were consistently portrayed as evil. With the advent of the occult revival (which entered the West primarily through certain British writers involved in esoteric religion) more and more material appeared that attempted to shift the line between good and evil. The characters of the “white witch”, the pet dragon, and the wise wizard became familiar figures. During the last quarter of the twentieth century the trickle became a torrent, and by the final decade before the Millennium it entered the mainstream of culture, powerfully augmented by the interlocking mechanisms of television, film, video, marketing techniques and spin-off industries, and applauded by a class of critics who told us that this was all a long-overdue broadening of our horizons.
Okay, I’ve argued with this type of logic before. Literatures of tradition are nothing like traditions of religion. I agree heavily with Bertold Brecht when he said that no model of good form would be in power indefinitely. To say that the positive portrayal of beings such as vampires, wizards, dragons, and things traditionally deemed ‘evil’ in literature as a sign of paganization or (as I’ve read in other articles similar to this) moral/spiritual decline is a huge overreaction. There is no canon for such creatures. What matters is who these creatures are as characters. Besides, traditional depictions can grow obsolete at times.
 
While it is true that media-technology tends to overwhelm the viewer, and books usually pay some respect to the integrity of the reader (sparking the imagination but not displacing its creative powers), much of contemporary fantasy for the young is actually closer in style to television than to literature. It overwhelms by using in print form the visceral stimuli and pace of the electronic media, flooding the imagination with sensory rewards while leaving it malnourished at the core. In a word, thrills have swept aside wonder.
That would seriously depend on which is being emphasized more: the sensory or non-sensory? Books like Harry Potter do seem to be a nice combination of both.
There is no more disturbing consequence of the electronic and graphic revolution than this: that the world as given to us through television seems natural, not bizarre. For the loss of the sense of the strange is a sign of adjustment, and the extent to which we have adjusted is a measure of the extent to which we have been changed. Our culture’s adjustment to the epistemology of television is by now all but complete; we have so thoroughly absorbed its definitions of truth, knowledge and reality that irrelevance seems filled with import, and incoherence seems eminently sane. And if some of our institutions seem not to fit the template of the times, why it is they, and not the template, that seem to us disordered and strange. ( Postman, pp.79-80)
Whoa, whoa…I’m afraid this is seriously overestimating the power of a person’s ability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Children may be susceptible to that but that’s only due to their lack of maturity and reasoning. The author’s claim that people believe everything the TV says is true could be applied to shows involving politics and the news but I’m afraid the same can’t be said for purely fictional stories. You might as well believe that gamma radiation actually turns mild-mannered scientists into green-skinned juggernauts.

I’m not sure this a direct quote from the article but I saw it in the side.
But is Harry really all that good? He blackmails his uncle, uses trickery and deception, and “breaks a hundred rules.” He frequently tells lies, and lets himself be provoked into revenge. He “hates” his enemies.
You have to read those things in context. Superman and Daredevil pretty much violate a ton of laws themselves such laws about due process of law, vigilantism, property damage etc. :rolleyes:
 
Next week a new Harry Potter movie comes out, and I thought it would be a good time to re-warn everyone about this series. There was a thread previously on this forum about Harry Potter, and I was amazed at how many people defend these stories.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=340846&highlight=HARRY+POTTER

Father Gabriel Amorth, the Vatican chief exorcist, has warned about Harry Potter time and again. For example:

theage.com.au/news/arts/harry-potter-satanic-popes-exorcist/2006/08/31/1156817037586.html

Another:

homilia.org/Potter/exorcista.htm

I’ve recently read two books on exorcisms, and they both warn about Harry Potter. Please, parents, don’t take your kids to see this movie, and keep these books out of your house. The devil is real, and he don’t play.

Mary
Hi Brooklyn,

Do not despair. There are many people who agree with you and feel the same way. I tried myself to watch the 1st and 2nd Harry Potter movie and I could not get interested in either of them. Most of the time I didn’t understand a thing they were talking about or should I say the moral of the story. My children are not interested in the movies nor book either. 🙂

The devil is trying to take as many souls as he can and in as many ways possible that he can. Yes, the devil is real and merciless!
 
The wizard world is about the pursuit of power and esoteric knowledge, and in this sense it is a modern representation of a branch of ancient Gnosticism, the cult that came close to undermining Christianity at its birth.
Pursuit of power? Wasn’t Voldemort the only character who showed an unhealthy obsession with that? I mean, this was the guy who wanted to cheat death and all. 🤷

Besides, the desire for power itself can be found in a ton of other stories I’ve read (manga and anime in particular). A character seeks new skills, abilities, power ups and stuff when faced with a new, dangerous adversary. It’s not neccessary evil.
At Hogwarts, holidays such as Christmas and Easter are stripped of Christ, rendered down to no more than social customs and absorbed into the “broader” context of the occult symbol-cosmology. Halloween is the great feast of the year. Rowling’s wizard world, gnostic in essence and practise, neutralizes the sacred and displaces it by normalizing what is profoundly abnormal and destructive in the real world.
And American sitcoms don’t? :rolleyes:
The objection is sometimes raised: surely this is permissible because it is a sub-creation, and as such its author has free rein to establish its own laws, its interior coherence and consistency. This is to overlook the fact that Rowling’s wizard world is interactive with the real world and violates the moral order in both. The story takes place in contemporary London and the English countryside.
Apparently the term Alternate Universe isn’t in this dude’s vocabulary. A fair few Power Rangers series take place in our world too. Does that mean if I strike a fancy pose and activate a flashy toy morpher, I’m actually going to turn into a helmet-wearing super hero in crayon-color spandex? :rolleyes:
 
The devil is trying to take as many souls as he can and in as many ways possible that he can. Yes, the devil is real and merciless!
Yes that’s true. Got any evidence though, that Harry Potter inherently is such and not necessarily as a result of the same abuses with regards to other hobbies? 😛
 
Woops! I think I might have to correct myself a bit.
Whoa, whoa…I’m afraid this is seriously overestimating the power of a person’s inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Children may be susceptible to that but that’s only due to their lack of maturity and reasoning. The author’s claim that people believe everything the TV says is true could be applied to shows involving politics and the news but I’m afraid the same can’t be said for purely fictional stories. You might as well believe that gamma radiation actually turns mild-mannered scientists into green-skinned juggernauts.
 
Okay… resuming my commentary…
Magic is about taking control. It is a fundamental rejection of the divine order in creation. In the first book of Samuel (15:23) divination is equated with the spirit of rebellion. The Catechism of the Catholic Church calls divination and magic a form of idolatry.
Another common argument I’ve found is that magic is a way of usurping power from the Creator. You see, the problem is even magic has its limitations. Did not Dumbledore say that no spell can bring back the dead?
In Rowling’s wizard world, children are taught to manipulate undefined forces, and to submit themselves to no higher law than the wizard authorities who will help them exercise their powers “wisely”. However, the authorities themselves are divided, imparting to the impressionable reader the certainty that the best person to decide what is or is not a “proper use of magic” is the young witch or magician himself, guided only by the occasional intervention of a Dumbledore or some similar guru figure.
Again, I’ve had a different impression. I notice that practicing certain forbidden forms of magic (e.g. the creation of the Horcrux) always had severe and horrid consequences. I believe it’s these absolute consequences that determine the morality of these so called ‘undefined forces’, not the bumbling Ministry authorities.
The author repeatedly sets up the straw man of legalism and knocks it down with unsubtle blows.
This and the following passages absolutely made no sense to me other than it seemed to read too much into the story now. >:\ It’s the same way Marxists try to find something in every piece of literature that supports their ideals and causes. I’ve always thought the Dursleys reminded me of anti-fantasy killjoys who are utterly drugged by their comfort zones in the normal and mundane society while Percy reminded me of the complete suck-up, uptight about small things without seeing the big picture. As for Snape, well I pretty much hate him (especially after the sixth book) even though he should be pitied. Alan Rickman though certainly made him scarier in my eyes. >.>;;

See I can read too much into things too. However, I don’t exactly think this is what everyone should be seeing when they read the books. 🤷
In fact, nowhere in the series is there any reference to a system of moral absolutes against which actions can be measured. In a word, this is materialist magic, magic as a naturalized human power.
Um, it is. And as for a system of absolutes, we can’t say there really isn’t either. Did not the mere act murder in the wizarding world supposedly tear the soul?
 
What status is it when I get to saunter around and recite, “I am adstrinity, Blogger of Bloggers, look on my posts ye mighty and despair!”?

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NEEDTOGETALIFE Member I reached that status severla years ago.
 
Brooklyn, LifeSiteNews destroyed its journalistic credibility - at least on matters related to Harry Potter - by lying about what Benedict said concerning it.

hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=26
jimmyakin.org/2005/07/lifesitenews_ca.html

Thanks for this! I have been reading very ‘off’ things over at life site for a long time and people think I’m nuts and anti-life because I have the audacity to point out their errors and often blatant word and fact twisting. I feel somewhat vindicated now. I don’t know what they’re thinking over there, as if lying is going to bolster the pro life cause:rolleyes:
 
Brookly (Or should I call you Mary?), I’m not sure you’re still reading this but I believe these are some of the Fr. Amorth quotes you are talking about?
Amorth does not hesitate to say that cultural influences such as film, television, music and books play no small part in the lowering of spiritual vigilance. “I was able personally to verify how great is the influence of these tools of Satan on the young. It is unbelievable how widespread are witchcraft and spiritism, in all their forms, in middle and high school. This evil is everywhere, even in small towns.”
May I ask just how did he verify this exactly? I mean frankly, he always struck me as the type to deem even the act of saying “good luck” in jest or the drawing of a pentagram as a some form of ugly manifestation of witchcraft or occultism.

That doesn’t make him logical though. :nope:

I’ll make more commentary later. Right now someone is need of the computer I’m using. (That and I think it’s about time I went back to writing my story. It’s about a witch and a demon by the way. :p)
 
I’ve always thought the Dursleys reminded me of anti-fantasy killjoys who are utterly drugged by their comfort zones in the normal and mundane society while Percy reminded me of the complete suck-up, uptight about small things without seeing the big picture. As for Snape, well I pretty much hate him (especially after the sixth book) even though he should be pitied. Alan Rickman though certainly made him scarier in my eyes. >.>;;

Um, it is. And as for a system of absolutes, we can’t say there really isn’t either. Did not the mere act murder in the wizarding world supposedly tear the soul?
If I may bring another point of view to this:
  1. The Dursleys: I got the impression that they were anti-religion. JKR tells us that they were normal and boring and they do not buy into the fantastical. A virgin birth is fantastical. A man reaching Nirvana under a tree is fantastical. A goddess’ son being killed and having an elephant head transplant to stay alive is very fantastical. An angel visiting a man and telling him he is God’s last prophet is fantastical. We don’t get ANY of this from The Dursleys. A friend of mine thinks they would have gone to church to keep up appearances, but, I don’t get this indication. To me, this family is secular humanist and I think that is reflected in the last book when Harry doesn’t understand the Bible quote. I don’t get the feeling that they teach Harry or Duddley about anything other than which they can see. We know Harry was baptized; we don’t know that about Duddley.
I interpreted that it’s much more than they are antii-fantasy, they are willingly ignorant, but, there is a saying: we do not see things how they are but as how we are.
  1. Percy – now I like him! He’s my second favourite (right after Phinneas Nigellus) 😃 ! I like the way he was portrayed. A lot of people do not take to him but here’s why I do – I would like to think that he had it in his pysche early on that he had to set himself as a role model for The Twins. I think this was only imbedded in him deeper when the Twins took to their personalities, so, as to be a foil to them, we get perfect Percy who has worked hard and mostly plays by the rules. I didn’t view him at all as a suck up. I don’t think he’s a jerk or a bad guy who willingly disrespected his parents; I think he informed his conscience and he believed his government and the ministry. I really think he did what he thought was best as much as his will could allow; it wasn’t spite that drove him, but, it was wanting to aspire up to the highest standards of his society as he feels would be best. I love that even in the Epilogue, he is concerned about obeying the law properly. …This all being said, I do not think his children will have as much of a childhood as Harry’s.
  1. Snape – I like we see him zapping down flies in his room. I like that he’s in arrested development. I like that he’s in mourning. You’ve seen the movie, right? Movie 6? What did you think of the Tower Scene in the movie? I think Rickman really brought it to life!
  2. Hey Ms. Manga, what is “>.>;;”? What is being looked at here?
  3. Didn’t you feel that the murder / soul thing was JKR’s commentary?
NEEDTOGETALIFE Member I reached that status severla years ago.
I aspire to be you, sir.
 
  1. Snape – I like we see him zapping down flies in his room. I like that he’s in arrested development. I like that he’s in mourning. You’ve seen the movie, right? Movie 6? What did you think of the Tower Scene in the movie? I think Rickman really brought it to life!
Nope, haven’t seen the movie yet. Sorry. :o I’m still trying to get around that (especially since after my classmates told me they already watched it >_<;; ).
  1. Hey Ms. Manga, what is “>.>;;”? What is being looked at here?
Um… I’m a dude. ..
The text emoticon doesn’t necessarily mean looking at something. It’s just an expression of things (usually shame, embarrassment, awkwardness and such :o). If you want though, I guess it could be the thought bubble that I imagine to appear next to my head that has one of the scary, imposing Rickman-Snape moments. >
>;;
  1. Didn’t you feel that the murder / soul thing was JKR’s commentary?
Not sure. I just have my own way of interpreting things I guess. :o
 
Thank you, Lost Wanderer, for taking the time to write a detailed account of the distortions in some of these articles.
 
Nope, haven’t seen the movie yet. Sorry. :o I’m still trying to get around that (especially since after my classmates told me they already watched it >_<;; ).

Um… I’m a dude. ._.
  1. Argh! Go see it as soon as you can! There’s a record to break you know!!! (And, the Snape at the tower alone was worth it…not even the entire scene, just his line!)
  2. My sincerest apologies! Lost Wanderer = Dude. Got it. I’m sorry. Forgive me.
  3. Thank you for the explination! 🙂
 
On the previous page, there were a couple links containing articles against Harry Potter. I just wanted to identify two big problems with them.

One - the PDF one - started with a reflection on how influential the Harry Potter books are. That worried the author of the article, and therein lies the problem. Most Christian critics of Harry Potter are paranoid. They see something popular and think that the devil must be behind it. That, to me, is not realism or caution. It is a truly sad worldview of fear and defensiveness.

John Granger, the author of How Harry Cast His Spell, tends to look at things in the opposite way. He believes that the Harry Potter books are so popular because - through literary means - Rowling has “smuggled” the good news about Jesus Christ into her books; in other words, they are “Christian” children’s fantasy. In an increasingly secularized world, people are hungry for the truths for which we were created, even if they don’t know it. Harry Potter answers that thirst for God’s truth and goodness.

Tell me, which attitude - the one that sees the hand of providence in everything, or the one which sees demonic corruption in anything that others find joy in - is more Christian? In which does it seem that the peace of Christ resides?

The problem with the other link was that it began its condemnation of Harry Potter by talking about the history of the paganization of western literature. It maintained that modern literature inverts Christian structures and imagery, going against the English literary tradition.

And they are right that Harry Potter utilizes traditional imagery; however, the great irony of this article is that Harry Potter actually doesn’t invert these structures and imagery. They conform to traditional Christian symbolism!

In any case, every time this debate arises, the arguments of this series’ detractors only make me more and more convinced that they couldn’t be more wrong.
 
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