Was Adam Beside Eve During the Temptation?

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The Douay-Rheims and the RSVCE do not mention the words “with her” after the word “husband” (Ge 3.6) pertaining the the Fall. The NAB and NRSVCE do. Does “with her” mean beside her, or was Adam elsewhere in the Garden, in the proximity? I see Satan as being smart. He does not have the ability to predict the future; therefore, he would–it seems to me–want to attack mankind at the weakest point. For all he might have known, if he tempted the woman with the husband present, the husband would protect her, not allowing her to partake of the forbidden fruit. However, if he waited until she was alone, his chances would increase. Eve did partake; and it could be perceived that she then took the fruit to her husband, who–seeing she had not died and seemed more intelligent than him–also partook of the fruit instead of interceding for her and, if necessary, offering his life on her behalf. I know that in Scott Hahn’s commentary on Genesis, he says the Hebrew denotes beside her. When I look the word up, it also says “proximity.” Also, it’s not in the text utilized by the RSV and the D-R. Was Adam beside her or elsewhere in the Garden at the time Eve was deceived?
 
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The Douay-Rheims and the RSVCE do not mention the words “with her” after the word “husband” (Ge 3.6) pertaining the the Fall. The NAB and NRSVCE do. Does “with her” mean beside her, or was Adam elsewhere in the Garden, in the proximity? I see Satan as being smart. He does not have the ability to predict the future; therefore, he would–it seems to me–want to attack mankind at the weakest point. For all he might have known, if he tempted the woman with the husband present, the husband would protect her, not allowing her to partake of the forbidden fruit. However, if he waited until she was alone, his chances would increase. Eve did partake; and it could be perceived that she then took the fruit to her husband, who–seeing she had not died and seemed more intelligent than him–also partook of the fruit instead of interceding for her and, if necessary, offering his life on her behalf. I know that in Scott Hahn’s commentary on Genesis, he says the Hebrew denotes beside her. When I look the word up, it also says “proximity.” Also, it’s not in the text utilized by the RSV and the D-R. Was Adam beside her or elsewhere in the Garden at the time Eve was deceived?
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I tend to agree with Hahn. Part of the whole fall of Adam is that he did NOT protect Eve.
 
The question becomes: Why, or how, is this relevant to us today? I believe that many people, Christian or otherwise, would protect someone who was with them from danger. If Adam was beside her, what an evil man he would have been, wanting to see if his wife would die or not, and this being before he partook of the forbidden fruit. It is this that I have difficulty with. If she had taken the fruit to him, to where he was in the Garden, then the question becomes: What should he have done? That would make it relevant to us today.
 
It’s understood now that her dialogue with Satan was internal. Preternatural ability. With that in mind it’s not impossible that Adam could have been beside her without knowing what was happening. Besides I believe the fruit was the false reality Satan was feeding her. Biting it was believing the lie.

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and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate;
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Satan is the tree the false reality is the fruit.

When God gave the command to not eat from that tree Adam was alone. Before God gave him Eve. She learned the law of God from Adam. He was the first prophet and she his follower. When Adam ‘listened to the voice of his wife’ the roles are reversed. She is the prophet of a different god and Adam the follower. The first Apostacy. The world turned upside down. This is when the whore of Revelation mounted the seven headed dragon. God was punishing Adam for abandoning his role as His prophet to become a follower of his wife now the oracle of Satan. Adam himself wouldn’t touch the tree. (enter into dialogue withe Satan) but couldn’t resist listening to his wife. Without her he would be utterly and completely alone. He’d been there before. She had not. I could go on but I don’t like reading too long of a post.
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Could you please expound on this " whore of revelation mounting a seven-headed dragon". Is this from the Bible or Harry Potter?
 
Look in the Book of Revelation 🙂 This is where the dragon (Satan) is mentioned. More than likely, it was more than just a simple dragon; being its Satan it was probably a more beastly horrific monster of a dragon, it was probably too difficult to describe in John’s eyes for one, and trying to be descriptive may take away from the point of the vision.
 
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Adam was given God’s commands when he was still alone. When Eve was formed she listened to Adam. Adam was the first Prophet of God and Eve listened to him. Allows his words from God to form her conscience.

When Eve had a dialogue with Satan, he offers her a false reality that makes God a evil god and himself as a good god.

God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God

She decides to believe Satan has power over life and death, not God.

But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not die;

Satan is the tree. The lie is the fruit. Eating it is experiencing the new life it provides.

So, she believes it and becomes Satan’s prophetess as long as Adam eats too. She gives it to her husband. He takes it and eats.
God judged him saying. " Because you listened to the voice of your wife". let her be a false prophet
Satan now was the voice of God on earth , having silenced Adam.
Satan had taken over the throne. Eve had taken Adam’s place in authority over truth ( though hers is a lie) on earth.

This is the the woman mounting the seven headed dragon that was there at our genesis and bites our foot all the way to the end of history.

She is the archetype for false religion, idolatry, secular evils too. All the nations become drunk with her wine and Blasphemies etc
In revelation she say’s I’m queen on my throne, I have a husband and don’t lack for children.
She say’s it all right there. What happened to them have become sublime powerful unconscious motivations shaping the course of human history.

Anyway, because this power struggle happened at our genesis it colors our perception and echos down through history to it’s end. This struggle is in every one of us at our deepest core because we all share the same genesis event.
 
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Perhaps not in D-R because not in the Latin? It (“with”) is present in the Hebrew and in the LXX.
 
Eve is the one that ate it first but Adam was the one called to die as a martyr. Text suggests he was beside her
So she took some of its fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate it
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Adam’s test of love was to lay down his life for the garden and his Bride, Eve. God commanded Adam to tend the garden and watch over it. He was told to guard the garden. (Gen. 2:15) If God told him to guard it, that implies some evil threat.

In English, the bible uses the term serpent or snake. The actual Hebrew word used was Nahash: meaning a Ferocious/Vicious beast-like figure. A very horrifying, unimaginable, fearsome creature. Satan manifested himself to Adam in a life-threatening manner.

Adam failed to guard the garden: the devil entered and he saw the beast as a life threat and consequently failed to guard the garden and his Bride from Nahash.

Scripture text suggests Adam was beside Eve when tempted, but when Nahash tempted Eve, Adam was silent. Why? He was a coward and didnt stand between the Nahash and his Bride.
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Genesis 3:4 “Surely if you disobey, you will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.
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Scholars see this as an implied death threat. Implication: “If you don’t disobey God, I’ll kill you.”

When the emperor Nero persecuted the early Christians, he tells them “Deny God and you will not die.” Implication: If you do not deny God, I’ll kill you.

Adam was told by God he would die if he ate of the fruit. He chose is earthly life over his supernatural life. Nahash appears in a threatening manner and threatens that if they did not eat of the fruit, he would kill them. In the ancient text of the bible, God says to adam if he ate if the fruit he would ‘die die’. The words greatest death, worst, etc. did not exist so repetition was used. The worst death possible being Hell.

Thus, Adam failed to lay down his life as a martyer. Which is why Jesus had to die the worst death: to be the martyr adam failed to be. Also a reason why Jesus is also refererd as the New Adam.

I wanted to put this out there because i find it interesting. But yes, Adam was beside her at the fall.

Here’s the link to the talk, it’s a bible study of the book of revelation but the part about Adam and Eve is towards the end.
 
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I hope my (name removed by moderator)ut helps explain that, I think it gives a rather logical possible explanation to your question here. What he should have done was stand between Nahash and his Bride and be ready lay down his life. Which is why Jesus was sent as the New Adam, and what we need to do is to ready ourselves to lay down our own life for God.

God bless Tommy!
 
What if Eve had an internal dialogue with the dragon? Adam could be beside her physically but there wouldn’t be anything he could do.
 
Would he have not sinned then prior to partaking of the fruit? Would he have not sinned by committing a sin of omission?
 
He would have been observing her, and did nothing to prevent her. This would appear to be a sin of omission.
 
This is why I lean toward the proximity theory. Once he realized Eve had sinned, he should have interested in her behalf. If he was beside her, it means towards Adam sinning prior to partaking of the fruit
 
God told Adam his sin
Gen 3-17 And to the man he said,
“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife,
_ and have eaten of the tree_
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Satan offered a false reality. Turned her heart against God. And towards himself.

She recieved the command of God from Adam. God is abandoned and Eve is the oracle of a new God,

His sin was listening, not eating the apple. He did that after listening.
 
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The eating is the listening. If he had refused when she offered, he would not have listened.
 
My Catholic friends said that the story of Genesis is not to be taken literally and is a metaphor, so that Adan and Eve did not physically exist. is this what most agree on?
 
No. The Catholic Church teaches original sin, which is derived from the
disobedience of Adam. You can begin with Para. 369 of the Catechism of the
Catholic Church and continue through Para. 390. You can probably read this
online. You can also read about Original Sin.
 
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I recall reading Genesis 3 in Hebrew in an interlenear Torah, and it explicitly stated the 2 were together…however, from an anagogical perspective does it matter?
 
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