Was Baha'u'llah a Saint ?

[Nick44]

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Techo, that prohibition does not apply to the Manifestations who are free to add, subtract, or delete from existing norms as God directs Them to do.

 

[Techno2000]

Baha’u’llah never left his Mark on the world with,Blood, Sweat and Tears in the way Jesus did,so at the end of the day, Baha’u’llah will forever be known as Baha’u’llawho.

 

[Techno2000]

Techo, that prohibition does not apply to the Manifestations who are free to add, subtract, or delete from existing norms as God directs Them to do.

Do you know how silly you sound ?

 

[Nick44]

Baha’u’llah never left his Mark on the world with,Blood, Sweat and Tears in the way Jesus did,so at the end of the day, Baha’u’llah will forever be known as Baha’u’llawho.

To observers in the time of Jesus, He apparently made little impact and ended-up dying on a cross. Besides the disciples, who alive at that time could possibly have imaged the changes that would take place in the world because of Him? How high and mighty His tree has grown; how many luscious fruits it has produced!

So, time will tell with the Baha’i Revelation, which is still in its early stages. Baha’u’llah Himself has made a prediction:

“When the victory arriveth, every man shall profess himself as believer and shall hasten to the shelter of God’s Faith. Happy are they who in the days of world-encompassing trials have stood fast in the Cause and refused to swerve from its truth.” -Gleanings, p 319

 

[Techno2000]

Techo, that prohibition does not apply to the Manifestations who are free to add, subtract, or delete from existing norms as God directs Them to do.

But though we, or a Manifestation , preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Not just a possibility, but a certainty. Ever religion (Christians killing Christians is also a part of history) over time, undergoes change and decline, leading to what you describe above. That’s why God periodically sends a New Messenger with a New Message to reestablish order and unity. Ever single Manifestation has promised another to follow, and Baha’u’llah promises that that process has no end.

And so according to you guys, the cycle of violence will repeat forever.

Interesting.

Fortunately, the Christian Jesus has a much more hopeful endgame planned.

 

[GuyNextDoor]

When the Baha’is here have the time, please address post 270 and 276?

 

[Techno2000]

That’s why God periodically sends a New Messenger with a New Message to reestablish order and unity.
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Yeah, every 1000 years oughta do the trick.

 

[GuyNextDoor]

I’m certainly no expert in Buddhism, but this passage certainly does not say that there is no God.

It most certainly insults God, but which God is the Buddha referring to? Shiva (with some benevolence characteristics)? Yama (with some justice characteristics)?
Most likely Brahma since he was the creator god, in which case, the Buddha was obviously insulting polytheism, of which Brahma was one of many gods…

You just shot yourself in the foot here with that statement, Servant.

The Bahá’í Concept of God

The Bahá’í belief in one God means that the universe and all creatures and forces within it have been created by a single supernatural Being. This Being, Whom we call God, has absolute control over His creation (omnipotence) as well as perfect and complete knowledge of it (omniscience). Although we may have different concepts of God’s nature, although we may pray to Him in different languages and call Him by different names–Allah or Yahweh, God or Brahma–nevertheless, we are speaking about the same unique Being.

Source: info.bahai.org/article-1-4-0-2.html

Nobody knew of one God in the climate in which the Buddha taught. I may be wrong, I’m no expert.

There are many gods and devas in Hinduism. But Hinduism acknowledges only one Creator God, Brahma.

So if Bahaism teaches of Allah, Yahweh, Brahma & God being the same One Creator God, then obviously the Buddha is referring to Brahma. The Buddha has explicitly refuted the existence of a Creator God or if you must insist, he has insulted the Creator God in which he said:

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why does he order such misfortune
And not create concord?

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Why prevail deceit, lies and ignorance
And he such inequity and injustice create?

If the creator of the world entire
They call God, of every being be the Lord
Then an evil master is he, (O Aritta)
Knowing what’s right did let wrong prevail!

Bhûridatta Jataka

Right here, Baha’ism faces one big issue among many to contend with, since you have incorporated both Hinduism and Buddhism and acknowledge Brahma as the same One Creator God, with different names as Yahweh, Allah, etc.

1. Either Husayn Ibn Ali’s declaration of the Buddha being one of the manifestations of God does not know who is the Creator God, insulted Him and has taught false teachings, or
2. The Buddha never acknowledged the existence of a Creator God in which Bahaism has adopted into its soup somehow.
3. That or, Husayn Ibn Ali like John Smith and all the other false prophets are dead wrong.

I welcome any Baha’is (name removed by moderator)ut here.

P.S: Also view Post 270 & 276.

 

[Servant19]

You just shot yourself in the foot here with that statement, Servant.

The Bahá’í Concept of God

Dear GND, I am not shooting myself in the foot, dear friend. I have, firstly stated that I am a Baha’i, not a Buddhist, or a Hindu. All I stated was that Brahma WAS ONE OF MANY HINDU GODS at the time the Buddha taught. I feel that He was referring to that god in the quote you provided.

Can you show evidence that this quotation was from Buddha?
If so, what is the first recorded textual copy of it, and what year?

What is most important is that the science of history indicates that a lot of what was taught by the Buddha is likely to have been lost to posterity.

I take EVERY written teaching of Buddhism today with a grain of salt. I, personally am not convinced at all that it originates from the Buddha at all. That’s my personal belief.

So you can argue as much as you like and mock Baha’is as much as you like, but it is the only major global religion on earth with authenticated Scripture, and THAT is why I am a Baha’i, because it is the fully legitimized Word of God and I know that what I am doing has not been passed down from mouth to mouth and added to or subtracted from.

I want my faith to be built on knowledge that is verifiable.

So if Bahaism teaches of Allah, Yahweh, Brahma & God being the same One Creator God, then obviously the Buddha is referring to Brahma. The Buddha has explicitly refuted the existence of a Creator God or if you must insist, he has insulted the Creator God in which he said:

Right here, Baha’ism faces one big issue among many to contend with, since you have incorporated both Hinduism and Buddhism and acknowledge Brahma as the same One Creator God, with different names as Yahweh, Allah, etc.

1. Either Husayn Ibn Ali’s declaration of the Buddha being one of the manifestations of God does not know who is the Creator God, insulted Him and has taught false teachings, or

1. The Buddha never acknowledged the existence of a Creator God in which Bahaism has adopted into its soup somehow.

1. That or, Husayn Ibn Ali like John Smith and all the other false prophets are dead wrong.

I welcome any Baha’is (name removed by moderator)ut here.

P.S: Also view Post 270 & 276.

I’m not interested in anything else my friend. As far as I am concerned, Buddha is a Manifestation of God who’s teachings today are not really His. You can quote Him as much as you like…

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[Servant19]

And so according to you guys, the cycle of violence will repeat forever.

Interesting.

Fortunately, the Christian Jesus has a much more hopeful endgame planned.

Nope, the cycle of violence will end:

reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/WOB/wob-56.html

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[Nick44]

Yeah, every 1000 years oughta do the trick.

Quite correct. Every 1,000 years (or so) is sufficient.

“Once in about a thousand years shall this City be renewed and readorned.”

“That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muḥammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur’án; in this day, the Bayán; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest (Baha’u’llah) His own Book—the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme.” --Baha’u’llah, Gleanings, p 270

 

[Randy_Carson]

Can you show evidence that this quotation was from Buddha?
If so, what is the first recorded textual copy of it, and what year?

Here we go. When cornered by facts, challenge the source material.

Servant, this isn’t worth any more of my time. I have given you more than enough to think about, and others have done the same.

I’m shaking the dust from my feet, but I leave you with two questions you have not answered:

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   *]Why did the Jews threaten to stone Jesus twice and condemn him at his trial before the Sanhedrin if they did not understand Him to be claiming to be God?
   
   *]Wars between Christians such as Catholics and Protestants are the result of different human interpretations of one message or Gospel from God; the responsibility for bloodshed is upon us. However, wars between religions such as Christianity and Islam are the result, apparently, of very different messages about and from God delivered by very different manifestations of God. Therefore, why is God NOT culpable for the many religious wars among followers of these different manifestations of God who have taught conflicting and contradictory doctrines about Him?
   
   If you attempt to answer either of these questions honestly, I think you might find your way out of the labyrinth into which you have wandered.
   
   Until then, stay warm and well-fed.

 

[Servant19]

Here we go. When cornered by facts, challenge the source material.

Well is it a valid challenge or not? If not, why not? If we are quoting a man, we need verifiable evidence he actually said it, word for word…

Servant, this isn’t worth any more of my time. I have given you more than enough to think about, and others have done the same.

I’m shaking the dust from my feet, but I leave you with two questions you have not answered:

Your choice, you guys started the threads, I have only seen one quote from you from Titus saying that Jesus is God (and you mocked me for offering “just one quote” where Jesus says its not His Words, but the Father’s Words, to which I haven’t had a response to btw), but I’ve given you several quotes where Jesus is distinguished “from” God…several quotes…

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   *]Why did the Jews threaten to stone Jesus twice and condemn him at his trial before the Sanhedrin if they did not understand Him to be claiming to be God?

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   Yes, I’m comfortable with them thinking that. They, and you acknowledge this, had and still have an incomplete conception of who God is. Baha’is are simply stating that Christians have an incomplete conception of who Jesus is.
   

   *]Wars between Christians such as Catholics and Protestants are the result of different human interpretations of one message or Gospel from God; the responsibility for bloodshed is upon us. However, wars between religions such as Christianity and Islam are the result, apparently, of very different messages about and from God delivered by very different manifestations of God. Therefore, why is God NOT culpable for the many religious wars among followers of these different manifestations of God who have taught conflicting and contradictory doctrines about Him?

   Muslims and Christians have interpreted all their Scriptures incorrectly, God is not culpable… for if war breaks out then all parties are wrong. Truth does not overcast LOVE.
   
   Christians and Muslims all over the world put their importance in Truth to such a degree that they are willing to kill and harm innocents for it…verbal, psychological and physical oppression. That Truth is HELL…
   

   If you attempt to answer either of these questions honestly, I think you might find your way out of the labyrinth into which you have wandered.

   Until then, stay warm and well-fed.

   Thankyou, and you too
   
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[Techno2000]

In the Catholic faith we have a easy to understand path to get to Heaven, things like, Baptism, going to Confession and receiving the Eucharist. What is the path to Heaven in the Baha’i faith, please give details, like the words you use in your prayers.

 

[Servant19]

In the Catholic faith we have a easy to understand path to get to Heaven, things like, Baptism, going to Confession and receiving the Eucharist. What is the path to Heaven in the Baha’i faith, please give details, like the words you use in your prayers.

So you are baptized, receive the Eucharist regularly, do what you want as long as you confess, and you go to heaven??

That’s it?

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[Techno2000]

How will the Baha’i faith remedy, stop or lessen… The 7 Deadly Sins in Mankind ?

Pride
Envy
Wrath
Sloth
Greed
Gluttony
Lust
Envy
Wrath
Sloth
Greed
Gluttony
Lust

 

[Techno2000]

So you are baptized, receive the Eucharist regularly, do what you want as long as you confess, and you go to heaven??

That’s it?

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Do not change the Question, Servant19.

 

[Servant19]

Do not change the Question, Servant19.

I am not changing the question. I am simply probing so I can know that I will give you a satisfactory answer

What is the “easy to understand path” to heaven? Can you share how I, if I converted to Catholicism will go to heaven? What do I need to do?

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[Techno2000]

I am not changing the question. I am simply probing so I can know that I will give you a satisfactory answer

What is the “easy to understand path” to heaven? Can you share how I, if I converted to Catholicism will go to heaven? What do I need to do?

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I just told you, now give me the Baha’i way.