Was Christ Catholic?

[RyanL]

…Did he NEED TO pray to the Father…I kinda doubt it. The Father knows everyting that Jesus Christ knows. They are all part of the same God Head.

Do you think you might be denying the human nature of Jesus with this mentality? Isn’t it in the nature of man to praise and worship the creator? If not, then worshiping God is not a natural act. If it is part of the human nature, and if Jesus was like us in all things but sin, it would seem to follow that in His human nature the need to worship the Father is present as well…right?

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[irishmac]

To RyanL,

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Bravo! Encore! Bravo!

 

[vern_humphrey]

Christ was a Jew. He founded His Church for all mankind. That by definition makes him Catholic.

His Catholicism was no more incompatible with his Jewishness than His divinity with his human nature.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Hi,

I didnt read through all posts so forgive me if someone already said this.

Jesus was Jesus. He was born of a jewish woman. I think the only way to put a label on Jesus is to say He is God in human form.

We are christians because we follow Christ. He did not follow himself. We are only non-catholic christians or catholics because of what Christ did for us.

That is how I look at it anyway. I like to keep things as simple as possible.

 

[RyanL]

…I think the only way to put a label on Jesus is to say He is God in human form…I like to keep things as simple as possible.

Be careful, my friend, as this is tenuously close to modalism (link to a Protestant site), which is a heresy. Be careful that you don’t get so simple with explanations that you lose sight of the truth.

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Be careful, my friend, as this is tenuously close to modalism (link to a Protestant site), which is a heresy. Be careful that you don’t get so simple with explanations that you lose sight of the truth.

God Bless,
RyanL

Hi,
OOPS! I definitely believe in the trinity. I should say I meant putting a human definition on him.

 

[jmcrae]

Jesus was not Catholic any more than Luther was Lutheran or than Buddha was Buddhist.

The concept of the Catholic Church didn’t exist until he established it for us.

 

[Verita]

Jesus was not Catholic any more than Luther was Lutheran or than Buddha was Buddhist.

The concept of the Catholic Church didn’t exist until he established it for us.

Wouldn’t that make him the first Catholic though?

 

[Evan]

We are Christian because we have been anointed (that’s what Christ means…anointed one). SO he was Christian. The only Christian church was the Catholic Church, SO he was Catholic.

Or not.

Was St Francis a Franciscan? If you answer yes, Jesus was Catholic. If you answer no, Jesus was not.

The founder of an order does not easily fit in our definitions. It would depend how you define it: Christians follow the teachings of Christ. So he is not. He is not following, he is leading.

Or Christians (Catholics) submit to the authority of the Church founded by Jesus. So he is not. But he did fulfil the commands of His Father around which the Church is ordered, so He is Catholic.

 

[RyanL]

The concept of the Catholic Church didn’t exist until he established it for us.

Interesting approach. Would you mind please telling me your interpretation of the following verse?

**
Revelation 13:8 (KJV)** And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the** Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

** (NIV) All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the **Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

** (YLT) And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world

It would seem from Scripture that the sacrifice of Christ is an eternal sacrifice, and therefore the “concept” predated the chronological institution. Do you disagree?

God Bless,
RyanL

 

[Texas_Roofer]

At first I though his was a funny question. Now I do not think it is so funny. Jesus was certainly a Jew and never renounced the Jewish religion. Jesus founded the universal church so he created Catholism. Here is what is interesting Jesus said Peter was the rock on which I will build my church - not the next person to assume authority - interesting? So my guess is the Apostles were Jews and Christians (follower of Christ) until Jesus death then became Catholic at the resurrection. Some would say the Apostles became Catholic at Pentecost, others might argue for the change at the Ascension. The key is the following of Peter and other Apostles rather than the Pharisees.

 

[jmcrae]

Interesting approach. Would you mind please telling me your interpretation of the following verse?

It would seem from Scripture that the sacrifice of Christ is an eternal sacrifice, and therefore the “concept” predated the chronological institution. Do you disagree?

God Bless,
RyanL

No - the Church is eternal, and there is certainly a sense in which even Adam could be considered a Catholic.

But the visible Catholic church here on earth didn’t exist until Christ established it - and although Adam was Catholic here on earth from the moment that he was created from the dust of the ground, he didn’t become Catholic until the Resurrection - because of the nature of how Eternity works, which makes it very confusing, because there is a specific point on the time line when “it happened” - March 27, 33 AD at 7:00 am - and it affects everything for all time, both before the initiating event, and after.

 

[RyanL]

No - the Church is eternal, and there is certainly a sense in which even Adam could be considered a Catholic…specific point on the time line when “it happened” - March 27, 33 AD at 7:00 am - and it affects everything for all time, both before the initiating event, and after.

If I understand what you’re saying, which I think I do, I would agree completely.

God Bless,
RyanL