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lakotak
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Thank you. I think I have a better understanding now.
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lakotak
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Thank you for your thoughts. This makes me think and brings me closer to understanding what I have thought about for years.
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triumphguy
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Thank you. I think I have a better understanding now.
Glad I could help.
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rafarose
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This might not directly answer your question but regarding the mystery of the Trinity, someone had explained it to me very well.
**Let’s say a girl named Sarah has two sons, one sister and one mother (obviously hehe
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Sarah therefore is,
**Let’s say a girl named Sarah has two sons, one sister and one mother (obviously hehe
)Sarah therefore is,
- A mother to her two sons
- A sister
- and A daughter
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She is not three different persons, but rather ONE person taking three different roles in life. If Jesus took the role of being ‘the son’ on Earth He is still the same being as the Father and Holy Spirit.
God(Father)= Jesus (Son)= Holy Spirit= ONE BEING taking three different roles
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Miriam1947
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The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[a] 2 He was in the beginning with God; 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life,** and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness,[c] and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the light, but came to bear witness to the light.
9 The true light that enlightens every man was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world knew him not. 11 He came to his own home, and his own people received him not. 12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father. 15 (John bore witness to him, and cried, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, for he was before me.’”) 16 And from his fulness have we all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only Son,[d] who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known.
This is my favorite. It touches me in a way that other parts of the Bible don’t. I have no idea why.**
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patrick457
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No offense, but that sounds to me like Sabellianism or Unitarianism. What the faith teaches is that there is one God, in three persons.This might not directly answer your question but regarding the mystery of the Trinity, someone had explained it to me very well.
**Let’s say a girl named Sarah has two sons, one sister and one mother (obviously hehe
Sarah therefore is,
So to answer your question, yes, if Jesus is God, and God created the universe, we can logically conclude that Jesus created this universe!
- A mother to her two sons
- A sister
- and A daughter
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She is not three different persons, but rather ONE person taking three different roles in life. If Jesus took the role of being ‘the son’ on Earth He is still the same being as the Father and Holy Spirit.
God(Father)= Jesus (Son)= Holy Spirit= ONE BEING taking three different roles
http://lifesorigin.com/waslifecreated/trinity-shield.jpg
The Athanasian Creed
Whoever wishes to be saved must, above all, keep the Catholic faith: for unless a person keeps this faith whole and entire, he will undoubtedly be lost forever.
This is what the Catholic faith teaches: we worship one God in the Trinity and the Trinity in unity, neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the substance. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, another of the Holy Spirit; but the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have one divinity, equal glory, and coeternal majesty. What the Father is, the Son is, and the Holy Spirit is.
The Father is uncreated, the Son is uncreated, and the Holy Spirit is uncreated. The Father is boundless, the Son is boundless, and the Holy Spirit is boundless. The Father is eternal, the Son is eternal, and the Holy Spirit is eternal. Nevertheless, there are not three eternal beings, but one eternal being; so there are not three uncreated beings, nor three boundless beings, but one uncreated being and one boundless being.
Likewise, the Father is omnipotent, the Son is omnipotent, the Holy Spirit is omnipotent; yet there are not three omnipotent beings, but one omnipotent being. Thus the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; however, there are not three gods, but one God. The Father is Lord, the Son is Lord, and the Holy Spirit is Lord; however, there are not three lords, but one Lord. For as we are obliged by Christian truth to acknowledge every Person singly to be God and Lord, so too are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say that there are three Gods or Lords.
The Father was not made, nor created, nor generated by anyone. The Son is not made, nor created, but begotten by the Father alone. The Holy Spirit is not made, nor created, nor generated, but proceeds from the Father and the Son. There is, then, one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
In this Trinity, there is nothing before or after, nothing greater or less. The entire three Persons are coeternal and coequal with one another: so that in all things, as is has been said above, the Unity is to be worshiped in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity.
He, therefore, who wishes to be saved, must believe thus about the Trinity.
It is also necessary for eternal salvation that he believes steadfastly in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thus the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is both God and man.
As God, He was begotten of the substance of the Father before time; as man, He was born in time of the substance of His Mother. He is perfect God; and He is perfect man, with a rational soul and human flesh. He is equal to the Father in His divinity, but inferior to the Father in His humanity. Although He is God and man, He is not two, but one Christ; and He is one, not because His divinity was changed into flesh, but because His humanity was assumed unto God. He is one, not by a mingling of substances, but by unity of person. As a rational soul and flesh are one man: so God and man are one Christ.
He died for our salvation, descended into hell, and rose from the dead on the third day. He ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of God the Father almighty. From there He shall come to judge the living and the dead. At His coming, all men are to arise with their own bodies; and they are to give an account of their own deeds. Those who have done good deeds will go into eternal life; those who have done evil will go into the everlasting fire.
This is the Catholic faith. Everyone must believe it, firmly and steadfastly; otherwise He cannot be saved.
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ThatOrthodoxGuy
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Well said
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rafarose
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Thanks for the correction, offence not taken. But I think you might have misunderstood by what I meant. It was not meant to be a literal interpretation. I myself, found it very hard to understand how three persons can be one being at the same time. This was an example that helped me understand how God, one being, can be three persons in a way that the mind can understand. It is not meant to be an exact comparison, since it is clearly not. It was not meant to suggest that God takes three different roles but rather God being three different persons all at the same time. For us humans, it has remained a mystery. It helped me personally, to relate and fathom a bit. We ourselves take different roles in life by being daughters and sisters, a daughter and a sister are separate concepts yet the same being is being expressed in different aspects.
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