Was/Is Mary the Ark?

[guanophore]

You just can’t get the idea that earthquakes make a lot of cracks on earth no just on one particular point but on many.

Sure I do! I am reading the Clan of the Cave Bear. It is a similar fiction story to the one you have. The earthquake is very big, and makes cracks over a wide area.

Don't you see that if His blood wasn't on the Ark of the Covenant, then He didn't fulfill the Scriptures. He needed to "sprinkle" His blood on the Mercy Seat. He fulfilled everything.

Ok.

Of course there is a new covenant but there isn't a "Ark of the New Covenant".

Whatever you say, dear one.

Your asking because it is an apocryphal book right?

No, it is a Deuterocanonical book. I am asking because most of my separated brethren deny the authenticity of the contents.

IMO there are a lot of books that have pieces of truth (but are not in the Bible, because they are not full truth), the same is for 2 Maccabees and the other apocryphal, and this books supports the idea that the Ark of the Covenant was indeed hidden.

You are basing a Christian doctrine on what you believe is a non-biblical book?

Jesus followed each step, until the end. So Jesus said it is done and let out His spirit and the soldier struck his spear and water and blood flowed…

There’s nothing more to be said.

Ok.

Jesus fulfilled everything He did everything,

If that was true, why are we here?

I Cor. 5:7-8
“For even Christ our PASSOVER is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast”
Acts 18:21
“I must by all means Keep this FEAST that cometh in Jerusalem”

God bless!

It is interesting that you can see how many of these shadows are fulfilled in the NT, but you cannot see that Jesus embodies all those elements that were in the Ark.

 

[jlhargus]

Originally Posted by Dokimas
Originally posted by Jlhargus on “If Mary was the mother of God” thread.

Any more comments or questions?

As for me, I don’t think so. Looking at Hebrews 9 a little closer, I don’t think it’s possible unless there’s more than 2 arks.

I would have to say that theologically speaking, it doesn’t really make any difference. Christ alone is who saves.

JL: I did not POST the above comments anywhere this is a false quote. Where did you get it?

 

[Araninski]

Originally Posted by guanophore

Sure I do! I am reading the Clan of the Cave Bear. It is a similar fiction story to the one you have. The earthquake is very big, and makes cracks over a wide area.

Ok.

Of course there is a new covenant but there isn’t a “Ark of the New Covenant”.
Whatever you say, dear one.

No, it is a Deuterocanonical book. I am asking because most of my separated brethren deny the authenticity of the contents.

You are basing a Christian doctrine on what you believe is a non-biblical book?

Ok.

If that was true, why are we here?

It is interesting that you can see how many of these shadows are fulfilled in the NT, but you cannot see that Jesus embodies all those elements that were in the Ark.

Jude 1:14
"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

This is taken from the book of Enoch which is not in the Bible does that mean is not true , or it can’t be true? Anyways if you read 1 Kings and 2 Kings you can find hints about how the Ark was hidden, but you need to read it well.

We are here because:

Revelation 1:1-3
“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.”

There are things that still need to take place in order for us to go, still need to happen before we go.

The Ark of the Covenant was made by command of God, and it has a purpose, it wasn’t created for nothing. And prophecies tell us the Ark will appear again.

God loves you

 

[Cranmer2010]

Makes sense but it doesn’t make her better than any other woman

I agree 100%. Mary was a special person because of why God chose her and her example of being a Christian and a saint is impeccable, but anything that goes beyond that belongs soley to divinity.

 

[onenow1]

Makes sense but it doesn’t make her better than any other woman.

Hi Doki, when you get to the pearly gates, how do you think Jesus would react if you told him what your telling us above? I bringing this up for,this is really what your asking us to believe; Is it not ? Its been told to you many times we do not worship Mary. Now if it is futile to pray to Her for help from her Son, what harm has been done ? In any event, Jesus, will hear us, and I am sure smile, as He probably did, on the road to Emmaus, can’t you just picture Jesus, with a divine sense of humor ? Anyway Rome has spoken it is settled, Mary is the Ark. I defer to Timothy 3:15 and Eph. 3: 10 and Matt.16: 17-18 as the Ancient Catholic Church understands, holding the keys of the Kingdom given to St.Peter.

God Bless

 

[jlhargus]

Originally posted by Jlhargus on “If Mary was the mother of God” thread.

Any more comments or questions?

As for me, I don’t think so. Looking at Hebrews 9 a little closer, I don’t think it’s possible unless there’s more than 2 arks.

JL: Dokimas you need to make sure when you start an OP and QUOTE someone put the QUOTE with the REMARKS, and NOT in your remarks. You have people quoting me with YOUR words.

 

[Dokimas]

Hi Doki, when you get to the pearly gates, how do you think Jesus would react if you told him what your telling us above? I bringing this up for,this is really what your asking us to believe; Is it not ? Its been told to you many times we do not worship Mary. Now if it is futile to pray to Her for help from her Son, what harm has been done ? In any event, Jesus, will hear us, and I am sure smile, as He probably did, on the road to Emmaus, can’t you just picture Jesus, with a divine sense of humor ? Anyway Rome has spoken it is settled, Mary is the Ark. I defer to Timothy 3:15 and Eph. 3: 10 and Matt.16: 17-18 as the Ancient Catholic Church understands, holding the keys of the Kingdom given to St.Peter.

God Bless

Thank you for the blessing and the popcorn.

I don’t know what Jesus will say. I sure hope He speaks long before the Pearly Gates on issues that He thinks are important and that my understandings are wrong.

Have you thought what He might say if Rome is incorrect?

I’ll wait for Jesus to speak. I’m not sure He speaks only through Rome nor do I think Rome is always correct.

 

[Dokimas]

JL: Dokimas you need to make sure when you start an OP and QUOTE someone put the QUOTE with the REMARKS, and NOT in your remarks. You have people quoting me with YOUR words.

In the origainal post, I believe the

Quoted

words are yours.

 

[onenow1]

Thank you for the blessing and the popcorn

I don’t know what Jesus will say. I sure hope He speaks long before the Pearly Gates on issues that He thinks are important and that my understandings are wrong

Me to!

 

[jlhargus]

In the origainal post, I believe the words are yours.

Originally posted by Jlhargus on “If Mary was the mother of God” thread.

Any more comments or questions?

As for me, I don’t think so. Looking at Hebrews 9 a little closer, I don’t think it’s possible unless there’s more than 2 arks.

JL: The above are not my words, are you claiming they are? Then show me those remarks in my original post. They were not in my original post. I have no problem with the my original post. My problem is when anyone quotes the OP is puts YOUR WORDS in my mouth. The above are not my words but yours. I realize it was a mistake, it would be nice if you would let people know that.

 

[Dokimas]

JL: The above are not my words, are you claiming they are? Then show me those remarks in my original post. They were not in my original post. I have no problem with the my original post. My problem is when anyone quotes the OP is puts YOUR WORDS in my mouth. The above are not my words but yours. I realize it was a mistake, it would be nice if you would let people know that.

Did you look at the very first post on this thread? What you copy is from someone else, not my initial post.

 

[jlhargus]

Hb9:4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ARK CONTAINED the gold jar of MANNA, AARON’S STAFF that had budded, and the stone TABLETS OF THE COVENANT.

Mary the living ark would contain, in her womb, the real living Word of God, CHRIST, the real living Bread of Life, CHRIST, and the real living High Priest, CHRIST. Not just symbols as the ark made by hands contained, but the actual realities. As our Lord says in Ex25:22 THERE, ABOVE THE COVER BETWEEN THE TWO CHERUBIM THAT ARE OVER THE ARK OF THE TESTIMONY, I WILL MEET WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU ALL MY COMMANDS FOR THE ISRAELITES.

2 MCABS 2:5 And when Jeremy came thither he found an hollow cave wherein he laid the tabernacle and the ark and the altar of incense and so stopped the door 6 And some of those that followed him came to mark the way but they could not find it 7 Which when Jeremy perceived he blamed them saying As for THAT PLACE IT SHALL BE UNKNOWN UNTILL THE TIME THAT GOD GATHER HIS PEOPLE again TOGETHER AND RECEIVE THEM UNTO MERCY. 8 THEN SHALL THE LORD SHEW THEM THESE THINGS AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD SHALL APPEAR AND THE CLOUD ALSO as it was shewed under Moses and as when Solomon desired that the place might be honourably sanctified

EX 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation because the cloud abode thereon and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle

LK 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God

2 SAM 6:2 And David arose and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah to bring up from thence the ark of God whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims

LK 1:39 And Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda

2 SAM 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day and said How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?

LK 1:30 And the angel said unto her Fear not Mary for thou hast found favour with God

2 SAM 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day and said How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?
LK 1:43 And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

2 SAM 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David Michal Saul’s daughter looked through a window and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD and she despised him in her heart

LK 1:44 For lo as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears the babe leaped in my womb for joy

2 SAM 6:18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts

LK 1:45 And blessed is she that believed for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord

2 SAM 6:11 And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the LORD blessed Obededom and all his household

LK 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months and returned to her own house

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Tiber swim team 73. Jn14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. (Christ) Lk1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: (Mary) for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. The Ultimate truth is CHRIST who is TRUTH.

JL: The AVOVE is my post no problem. the problem is when anyone clicks on “QUOTE” in the opening post the following words which are not mine but yours, are shown as me speaking, which is not the case. The following are your words, yet show me as the one quoted. I don’ t know why this is so difficult to understand. Did you or did you not post the FOLLOWING words beginning with Any more questions? I did not post in my original post or on any line THE FOLLOWING WORDS.

Originally posted by Jlhargus on “If Mary was the mother of God” thread.

Any more comments or questions?

As for me, I don’t think so. Looking at Hebrews 9 a little closer, I don’t think it’s possible unless there’s more than 2 arks.

 

[Dokimas]

Hb9:4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ARK CONTAINED the gold jar of MANNA, AARON’S STAFF that had budded, and the stone TABLETS OF THE COVENANT.

Mary the living ark would contain, in her womb, the real living Word of God, CHRIST, the real living Bread of Life, CHRIST, and the real living High Priest, CHRIST. Not just symbols as the ark made by hands contained, but the actual realities. As our Lord says in Ex25:22 THERE, ABOVE THE COVER BETWEEN THE TWO CHERUBIM THAT ARE OVER THE ARK OF THE TESTIMONY, I WILL MEET WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU ALL MY COMMANDS FOR THE ISRAELITES.

2 MCABS 2:5 And when Jeremy came thither he found an hollow cave wherein he laid the tabernacle and the ark and the altar of incense and so stopped the door 6 And some of those that followed him came to mark the way but they could not find it 7 Which when Jeremy perceived he blamed them saying As for THAT PLACE IT SHALL BE UNKNOWN UNTILL THE TIME THAT GOD GATHER HIS PEOPLE again TOGETHER AND RECEIVE THEM UNTO MERCY. 8 THEN SHALL THE LORD SHEW THEM THESE THINGS AND THE GLORY OF THE LORD SHALL APPEAR AND THE CLOUD ALSO as it was shewed under Moses and as when Solomon desired that the place might be honourably sanctified

EX 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle 35 And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation because the cloud abode thereon and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle

LK 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God

2 SAM 6:2 And David arose and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah to bring up from thence the ark of God whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims

LK 1:39 And Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste into a city of Juda

2 SAM 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day and said How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?

LK 1:30 And the angel said unto her Fear not Mary for thou hast found favour with God

2 SAM 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day and said How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?
LK 1:43 And whence is this to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

2 SAM 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David Michal Saul’s daughter looked through a window and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD and she despised him in her heart

LK 1:44 For lo as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears the babe leaped in my womb for joy

2 SAM 6:18 And as soon as David had made an end of offering burnt offerings and peace offerings he blessed the people in the name of the LORD of hosts

LK 1:45 And blessed is she that believed for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord

2 SAM 6:11 And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the LORD blessed Obededom and all his household

LK 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months and returned to her own house

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Tiber swim team 73. Jn14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. (Christ) Lk1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: (Mary) for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. The Ultimate truth is CHRIST who is TRUTH.

JL: The AVOVE is my post no problem. the problem is when anyone clicks on “QUOTE” in the opening post the following words which are not mine but yours, are shown as me speaking, which is not the case. The following are your words, yet show me as the one quoted. I don’ t know why this is so difficult to understand. Did you or did you not post the FOLLOWING words beginning with Any more questions? I did not post in my original post or on any line THE FOLLOWING WORDS.

I can do nothing how it comes out now. Ask the mods to change my post.

 

[jlhargus]

I can do nothing how it comes out now. Ask the mods to change my post.

JL: I know you can’t change it, I just wanted you and others to know those were not my words. Thanks for acknowledging.