Was Islam spread by the sword?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Holly3278
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
And planten,what about the later wars against india?Why Hajjaj bin Yusuf sent Muhammed Bin Qasim to attack india?Why muslims captured spain?Do you really think that all of these battles were to save Islam from the imminent attack?Planten try to realize,your own religion islam is a power hungry religion.And that’s why Muslim captured spain and india for thousand years.And after the invasion of Muhammed bin Qasim,Muslims came to preach islam in India,so it is clear that the Muslim attackers created a safe path for preaching Islam in the world.And later we know about Muhammed ghori or Sultan Mahmud and other monsters who came and invaded india again and again.
**There could be an element of expansionism in the conquest of Spain and in the attacks on India by Mehmood Ghazanavi ( 17 attacks). But the expedition of muhammad bin Qasim was in retaliation to the abduction of Muslim ladies by the ruler (Daahir) in Sindh ( India) in year 712 C.E…

Later ( once the trouble had been started by the non-Muslims) it was free for all. If it was for looting and killing people, it was not Islamic at all. It was an act of sin and illegal. Islam never called for the sword to be used to make people believe in God, leave alone the oppression to believe in Muhammad. When sword was not used to press people to believe in God then there was no room to spread Islam by sword.

That is what I believe, and even now, and in the last 100 years if the Muslims have taken up any weapon to spread or defend Islam, it was wrong.**
 
Well, I’m honestly looking for an Internet article. Preferably one that isn’t very long too. I ask for an Internet article because I don’t have the money to buy a book and I am looking for a quick answer.
I know that this is a tempting approach–I fall into it often too. But we really need to resist it. Some things just can’t be boiled down to a “quick answer,” and this is one of them.

Edwin
 
Because Catholicism was often spread by the sword as well. See Charlemagne’s conquest of the Saxons, for instance.

Edwin
Christianity was spread by the sword from day one. When the first Christians went to their deaths singing songs without a fight, their blood was the water that the seeds of the faith used to grow. 👍

Islam can make no such claim.
 
Because Catholicism was often spread by the sword as well. See Charlemagne’s conquest of the Saxons, for instance.

Edwin
If I remember my history, I don’t believe Charlemagne went out to establish a new religion!
 
The Muslims destroyed the Tomb of Jesus, the Dome and the upper parts of the Church until their demolition was halted by the great mound of debris at their feet. For eleven years Christians were forbidden even to visit the rubble or to pray in the ruins.
First of all a BIG thank you for compiling and chronoligicalling the events of Islamic conquest. Say what they want but in all purpose the sword did it.

The above quote - isn’t it too famliar today? The Buddhist monument that has stood for mellinia in Afghanistan was brought down in seconds by a stroke of fervent Islamist dynamites. Muslims would destroy anything that’s afront to Islam if they have a chance to do it. And they say there is no compulsion. …

Islam is not only a religion but a political ideology smeared with religion teaching and that makes it so very dangerous.
 
Hi everyone. Before I start this thread, I want to lay out one rule. I only want Catholics and non-Catholic Christians to respond to this thread. I am not interested in debate between Muslims and Catholics or non-Catholic Christians.

So, I ask, was Islam spread by the sword or did it spread peacefully? 🤷:confused:
THE CRUSADES

Thomas Madden is chair of the history department at St. Louis University

and author of:

“A Concise History of the Crusades”,

In October 2004 Zenit, the International News Agency, interviewed him.

This interview is reproduced here with permission.

Q: What are some common misconceptions about the Crusades [and] the Crusaders?

Madden: The following are some of the most common myths and why they are wrong.

Myth 1: The Crusades were wars of unprovoked aggression against a peaceful Muslim world.

This is as wrong as wrong can be. From the time of Mohammed, Muslims had sought to conquer the Christian world. They did a pretty good job of it, too. After a few centuries of steady conquests, Muslim armies had taken all of North Africa, the Middle East, Asia Minor and most of Spain. In other words, by the end of the 11th century the forces of Islam had captured two-thirds of the Christian world. Palestine, the home of Jesus Christ; Egypt, the birthplace of Christian monasticism; Asia Minor, where St. Paul planted the seeds of the first Christian communities – these were not the periphery of Christianity but its very core. And the Muslim empires were not finished yet. They continued to press westward toward Constantinople, ultimately passing it and entering Europe itself. As far as unprovoked aggression goes, it was all on the Muslim side. At some point what was left of the Christian world would have to defend itself or simply succumb to Islamic conquest.

Myth 2: The Crusaders wore crosses, but they were really only interested in capturing booty and land. Their pious platitudes were just a cover for rapacious greed.

Historians used to believe that a rise in Europe’s population led to a crisis of too many noble “second sons,” those who were trained in chivalric warfare but who had no feudal lands to inherit. The Crusades, therefore, were seen as a safety valve, sending these belligerent men far from Europe where they could carve out lands for themselves at someone else’s expense. Modern scholarship, assisted by the advent of computer databases, has exploded this myth. We now know that it was the “first sons” of Europe that answered the Pope’s call in 1095, as well as in subsequent Crusades. Crusading was an enormously expensive operation. Lords were forced to sell off or mortgage their lands to gather the necessary funds. Most were also not interested in an overseas kingdom. Much like a soldier today, the medieval Crusader was proud to do his duty but longed to return home.

After the spectacular successes of the First Crusade, with Jerusalem and much of Palestine in Crusader hands, virtually all of the Crusaders went home. Only a tiny handful remained behind to consolidate and govern the newly won territories. Booty was also scarce. In fact, although Crusaders no doubt dreamed of vast wealth in opulent Eastern cities, virtually none of them ever even recouped their expenses. But money and land were not the reasons that they went on Crusade in the first place. They went to atone for their sins and to win salvation by doing good works in a faraway land. They underwent such expense and hardship because they believed that by coming to the aid of their Christian brothers and sisters in the East they were storing up treasure where rust and moth cannot corrupt. They were very mindful of Christ’s exhortation that he who will not take up his cross is not worthy of Christ. They also remembered that “Greater love hath no man than this, than to lay down his life for his friends.”

Myth 3: When the Crusaders captured Jerusalem in 1099 they massacred every man, woman and child in the city until the streets ran ankle deep with the blood.

This is a favorite used to demonstrate the evil nature of the Crusades. It is certainly true that many people in Jerusalem were killed after the Crusaders captured the city. But this must be understood in historical context. The accepted moral standard in all pre-modern European and Asian civilizations was that a city that resisted capture and was taken by force belonged to the victorious forces. That included not just the buildings and goods, but the people as well. That is why every city or fortress had to weigh carefully whether it could hold out against besiegers. If not, it was wise to negotiate terms of surrender. In the case of Jerusalem, the defenders had resisted right up to the end. They calculated that the formidable walls of the city would keep the Crusaders at bay until a relief force from Egypt could arrive. They were wrong. When the city fell, therefore, it was put to the sack.

Many were killed, yet many others were ransomed or allowed to go free. By modern standards this may seem brutal. Yet a medieval knight would point out that many more innocent men, women and children are killed in modern bombing warfare than could possibly be put to the sword in one or two days. It is worth noting that in those Muslim cities that surrendered to the Crusaders the people were left unmolested, retained their property and were allowed to worship freely. As for those streets of blood, no historian accepts them as anything other than a literary convention. Jerusalem is a big town. The amount of blood necessary to fill the streets to a continuous and running three-inch depth would require many more people than lived in the region, let alone the city.
 
Because Catholicism was often spread by the sword as well. See Charlemagne’s conquest of the Saxons, for instance.

Edwin
Contarini you dare to compare this to Mohammed’s blood thirsty ways from Islam’s very inception. And furthermore (I am not all to acquainted with this time period), what does Charlemagne’s conquest of the Saxons per se have to do with the CC? Was he exhorted to do this by the CC or did he have other ulterior motives? Was this an independent move on the part of Charlemagne, because if it was than why bring up the CC (that is Catholicism)? Did Charlemagne have a bull (issued by a Pope) that allowed him to conquer the Saxons? Sorry for all the questions, but I was a little surprised by your comparison.
 
Islam indeed spread through the sword from early Muhammad’ days till the Ottoman empire, however, in early days, for certain parts of India, Indonesia, etc, Islam spread through the merchandisers and not the sword, and nowadays the spread of Islam in the west (US, UK, etc) is not through the sword but through what it claims to offer “a direct path to God and salvation” as explained below.

The successful spread of Islam and Muslim rule was based on several factors. One was the decline of the Byzantine and Persian empires. Years of warfare had left these empires weak and vulnerable. A second factor in the Muslims’ success was the skill of Arab armies. They were expert in the use of soldiers on horseback. They struck quickly and with deadly force in harsh desert environments. A third factor was the energy and religious zeal of Arab warriors. They fought under the banner of jihad or “holy struggle.” In Arabic, jihad refers to striving hard in God’s cause. Sometimes it means a person’s internal struggle to live by Muslim principles. But it can also mean waging war to spread the Islamic faith. Another factor helping the Arabs was their tolerance for other religions. A final factor in the Muslim’s success was the rapid appeal of Islam itself. Islam offered followers a direct path to God and salvation.

Muslim expansion in the time of Muhammad:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~bvon/images/map2.gif
The growth of Muslim power: first 25 years:


The late Abbasid caliphate c.A.D.900:
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~rs143/map3.jpg

Sources:
historytextbooks.org/islamreport.pdf
fordham.edu/halsall/islam/islamsbook.html
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top