Was Jesus capable of making a mistake?

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Joseph: “Jesus, come out here a minute.”

Jesus: “Yes Father.”

Joseph: “Hiram says the cabinet you made for him doesn’t sit level on his floor. What happened?”

Jesus: (shrugs) “I don’t know, Dad. I measured it twice.”

Joseph: “Well, fix it!” (Mutters under breath) “Can’t wait until that boy starts his earthly ministry! Every week, it’s some mistake or other!”

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Are you saying that mathmatics got progessively worse centuries later when a flat earth concept was widely embraced? Do you have any info to support early beliefs that people believed the earth to be round in OT times?
Ancient Greeks speculated the earth was round, Eratosthenes was the first to estimate the circumference, and was very close to the real answer in his workings out, Magellan’s expedition was the first to demonstrate it in real life.

It’s long been known, or believed, the earth was of a round structure. At least since 600bce.

Very few actually taught or believed the earth was flat.

Sarah x 🙂
 
Ancient Greeks speculated the earth was round, Eratosthenes was the first to estimate the circumference, and was very close to the real answer in his workings out, Magellan’s expedition was the first to demonstrate it in real life.

It’s long been known, or believed, the earth was of a round structure. At least since 600bce.

Very few actually taught or believed the earth was flat.

Sarah x 🙂
In an earlier post you had mentioned that the belief that the world was round was not widely held. Personally from what I’ve read it was not just not widely held but incomprehensible. The reason I wrote the Lord sits above the circle of the earth is because that was written in the Old Testament of the bible. A Christian believes that the bible is the word of God, so those words (circle of the earth) are Gods words. Those words would only be revealed by the creator because that view was non existent.
 
Joseph: “Jesus, come out here a minute.”

Jesus: “Yes Father.”

Joseph: “Hiram says the cabinet you made for him doesn’t sit level on his floor. What happened?”

Jesus: (shrugs) “I don’t know, Dad. I measured it twice.”

Joseph: “Well, fix it!” (Mutters under breath) “Can’t wait until that boy starts his earthly ministry! Every week, it’s some mistake or other!”

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Maybe Jesus did not know the measure twice and cut once rule. he did measure twice but he did not cut.😃
 
We know that Jesus was sinless, but does this mean he was or wasn’t capable of making inadvertent mistakes – the way you forget an item, for example?
Bezant:

No. Jesus had three kinds of knowledge within Him: Beatific knowledge, infused knowledge, and human knowledge. He grew in His human knowledge but that does not mean that He lacked anything of the other two. Neither did His Beatific and infused knowledges diminish His human knowledge or overwhelm it. He knew all things, past, present and future. And, He knew these things at all times.

God bless,
jd
 
When Jesus went to the Temple and got mad and overturned the tables of the money changers did that bring out his man pride of the truth in and of Father/God/Holy-Spirit?..If you think HIS disgust and forceful reaction were done with grace and humility you are wrong…HE was just a man who like all men have a temper…What causes that temper to flair and at times turn violent is something all humanity dreads and searches to prevent…No man who has walked this earth in mind of free will been sinless…The tipping point between the venial or accumulation of them and the mortal sin is in the eye of the maker…I’m sure some people probably think my linkage of Jesus, pride, and the money changers is sinful…It is a suffering question if nothing else and that we know comes and breeds life into God…
 
  1. Did Jesus fall when learning to walk?
  2. Did Jesus Christ read straight away or started stumbling on letters?
    3 When learning the trade from His Father Joseph, did he say: " Come on, Daddy, let me teach you!" Or did He learn by mistake an error?
  3. Returning back, did Jesus learnt how to control the sphincters or he never pee outside the pot or stained his diapers?
  4. Did Jesus learnt the children games or gave them a 200-0 bash or did He play soccer 1 against 11 winning it all?
 
Luke 2:40 The child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom; and the favor of God was upon him.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus advanced [in] wisdom and age and favor before God and man.

As a man Jesus grew in experience and wisdom. When you do not have experience and wisdom you can make mistakes. Just look at Luke’s narrative of the young Jesus in the temple and his parents losing him. That was clearly a mistake on his side, he did not notify them; however, it was nothing immoral at all. It is very interesting that Luke uses that very verse (2:52) to close that story.
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Sure, I can agree to that. But the question raised in the OP was this:

So things like putting the wrong shoe on the wrong foot… You think he might’ve done that once or twice in his lifetime?

We’ve all done something like that, and as I said ealier, if he couldn’t make mistakes then he wasn’t really a man.
There’s no doubt about that! 👍
 
"With sanctifying grace are inseparably connected the infused virtues, theological and moral, and so too it was in the soul of Christ. But with his human virtues I have not to deal here, since they are fully described in another [place]. I have only to remark that those virtues must be excluded from the soul of Christ which are incompatible with his impeccability and with the extraordinary perfection of his state. Hence, in the first place, there is no room for the virtue of repentance, since he had, and could have, no sin of which to repent. Nor could he possess the virtue of temperance, since concupiscence, the effect of original sin in us, could have no place in him. Finally, Christ had not, properly speaking, the virtues of faith or hope. We believe what we do not see; we hope for what we do not possess; but, as will be seen below, such was the perfection of the soul of Christ that from the very first moment of his human existence he enjoyed the beatific vision, seeing the God-head face to face, and delighting in undisturbed possession of the sovereign Good. The gifts of the Holy Ghost, too, were in the soul of Christ in all their fulness, rendering the whole of that delicate supernatural organism an apt instrument upon which God with his actual grace played that symphony of celestial melody and harmony which is the life on earth of the Word Incarnate.

"We come now to the study of a subject which is full of difficulty: that of the human knowledge of Christ. The difficulty does not arise formally from the fact that Christ, as well as being truly man, is also truly God. When once it has been understood that the two natures exist side by side, unconfused, in the same person, it follows as a necessary and obvious consequence that in Christ there is a divine knowledge identical with his divine nature and a human knowledge which is inseparable property of his humanity; and as the natures are unconfused, so there can be no confusion of his divine knowledge and his human knowledge. the one does not take the place of the other, as Apollinaris suggested, nor is the one absorbed or in any way limited by the other, as those would have it that uphold kenotic theory. If there were any such substitution, intermingling, or absorption, then indeed the difficulty would be insoluble; in fact, as we have seen, any such theories totally destroy the truth of the Incarnation. The real difficulty arises, not from the confusion of one knowledge with the other, but rather from the supernatural perfections with which, in consequence of the hypostatic union, the human intellect of Christ was endowed. Natural psychology, or the study of the natural operations of the human mind, is already sufficiently complex, but when we have to include in our study types of knowledge of which on earth we have no experience, then the difficulty of the subject is immeasurably increased. In the human intellect of Christ we have to consider the knowledge that was natural to him as man, the infused knowledge with which he was preternaturally endowed, and his beatific knowledge, whereby during the whole of his life on earth he saw God face to face.

"That Christ had natural human knowledge, few since the time of Apollinaris have dreamed of denying, the tendency outside the Church to-day being rather to deny that he has any other. For the rest, St. Luke tells us that he advanced in wisdom and, unless all of the questions that he asked of others and the surprise that on some occasions he showed are to be treated as mere pretense, we must needs admit that Christ acquired knowledge by natural experience even as we do. His senses and his intellect were essentially similar to ours, and there appears no reason why they should have been denied their natural exercise. On the contrary, if Christ had not the natural use of these faculties it would be difficult to understand why he should have possessed them. Thus the country, the village in which he was reared, the home in which he received instruction and education from his holy Mother and St. Joseph, the environment, racial, physical, and social, in which he gradually grew to manhood, all these had, in the all-wise Providence of God, their influence in the formation of his natural character and outlook, a natural character which, it is important to remember, is a necessary substratum for the perfection of supernatural perfection which makes Jesus Christ the model of perfect manhood. For it is no less true of Christ than it is of us that the supernatural perfects nature, but does not destroy it.

continued . . .
 
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“But it would be erroneous to say that the human knowledge of Christ was in no way subject to development, it would still be more seriously wrong to restrict that knowledge to what he could learn by purely natural means. It is the teaching of the Church, not indeed implicitly defined by any Pope or council, but enshrined in the unanimous consent of all theologians, that the human intellect of Christ, in addition to knowledge naturally obtained, was supernaturally endowed with the beatific vision of God. The faithful, with that divine truth which is a sign of the constant presence of the Holy Spirit in the Church, have felt that the fullness of grace which befits the humanity assumed by the Word requires that he should possess the divine life, not merely in its incipient stage of sanctifying grace, but in the perfection of its ultimate development, to wit, the beatific vision: that if we, who are but God’s adopted sons, must pass through a time of probation that we may be found worthy to enter into our inheritance, he, who is the only-begotten son of the Father, must possess that divine heritage from the moment in which he first had a human nature; that he who is to lead us to beatitude must himself be already in enjoyment of it; that the human mind which God has made his own should not be debarred by any veil from looking upon the Godhead with whom it is hypostatically united.

“Can we suppose that he “that was the true light that enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world,” that he who gave witness to what he had seen, walked in relative darkness of faith? Christ, as man, knew that he was God; he knew that with his human nature the second Person of the Blessed Trinity was hypostatically united, and his knowledge of the hypostatic union and all that was involved in the mystery of the Incarnation must have been perfect and complete. Consciousness of personality is an immediate perception of self, and the only way in which the human intellect of Christ could have had intuitive knowledge of his divine perfection was by seeing God face to face. Even the infused knowledge that is given to the angels could not give him a full understanding of the mystery that so closely touched his own personality. Christ as man knew that he was God because, being truly and in the fullest sense the son of God, with his human mind he saw God “as he is.”

Wayfarers on this earth, we see God as he is imperfectly in the finite works of his hands. The blessed in heaven, on the contrary, see creatures as mirrored in the essence of God, the First Cause of them all. Thus Christ by his beatific knowledge not only sees God but in God all creatures that are, have been, or will be; he sees the whole created universe of which he is appointed king and heir; he sees the innermost thoughts of all men, of whom he is the Judge, he sees the salvation or – alas – the damnation of the souls of which he is the Redeemer; in a word, although, his human intellect being finite, he cannot but exhaust the divine intelligibility, he knows all things that in any point in time have existence. Add to this the infused knowledge which, according to the common view of theologians, Christ also possessed, and we may well understand how St. Paul could speak of Christ as one “in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.” (Col. Ii 3.)

“Hence the faithful have ever refused to admit in Christ as man ignorance concerning any matter pertaining to his person or office.” – The Teaching of the Catholic Church, Vol 1, Ch. XI, pg. 391 ff.

Considering all of this, how can there be ignorance of any kind in Christ? How can there be mistakes made by him? It is difficult to imagine but we must accept that his side by side walk with his humanity was made as a perfect intellect in perfect control of his faculties.

God bless,
jd
 
In an earlier post you had mentioned that the belief that the world was round was not widely held. Personally from what I’ve read it was not just not widely held but incomprehensible. The reason I wrote the Lord sits above the circle of the earth is because that was written in the Old Testament of the bible. A Christian believes that the bible is the word of God, so those words (circle of the earth) are Gods words. Those words would only be revealed by the creator because that view was non existent.
Maybe you are mistaking me and Athiestgirl here, i said it was long known but not widely held. The ancient greeks deduced mathematically that the earth was curved and from there that it was spherical from about 3-400 B.C. Aristotle (roughly 384–322BC) writing in De Caelo spoke of a spherical earth. It was known in the greek world and spread to the great centre of learning in Alexandria and then to the Roman empire. Anyone who studied maths, which was pretty much any educated person,knew the world was round. Now there were not as many people educated back then as there are today and so that is why I say it was not widely held but known.

With the decline and fall of the Roman Empire much knowledge was lost or fragmented in the west but the Knowledge of a spherical earth still prevailed( St. Isidore of Seville, St. Bede the Venerable and St. Thomas Aqunias all mention it). It was only with the advent of Protestantism that the false notion of Catholics thinking the world was flat came to prominence. What you are pointing out is one of the many examples where Faith and Reason say the same thing with different language.
 
“Hence the faithful have ever refused to admit in Christ as man ignorance concerning any matter pertaining to his person or office.” – The Teaching of the Catholic Church
The key words are “ignorance concerning any matter pertaining to his person or office”. 🙂
 
Maybe you are mistaking me and Athiestgirl here, i said it was long known but not widely held. The ancient greeks deduced mathematically that the earth was curved and from there that it was spherical from about 3-400 B.C. Aristotle (roughly 384–322BC) writing in De Caelo spoke of a spherical earth. It was known in the greek world and spread to the great centre of learning in Alexandria and then to the Roman empire. Anyone who studied maths, which was pretty much any educated person,knew the world was round. Now there were not as many people educated back then as there are today and so that is why I say it was not widely held but known.

With the decline and fall of the Roman Empire much knowledge was lost or fragmented in the west but the Knowledge of a spherical earth still prevailed( St. Isidore of Seville, St. Bede the Venerable and St. Thomas Aqunias all mention it). It was only with the advent of Protestantism that the false notion of Catholics thinking the world was flat came to prominence. What you are pointing out is one of the many examples where Faith and Reason say the same thing with different language.
What was the time frame of the writings of the book of Isaiah?
 
The key words are “ignorance concerning any matter pertaining to his person or office”. 🙂
TR:

But, it also said, “…it would still be more seriously wrong to restrict that knowledge to what he could learn by purely natural means.” And, it said, “any matter pertaining to his person …” Certainly these two statements make it very difficult for us to help define a response to the OP’s question that is perfect. But, I tend to allow more coverage latitude. I take it you don’t?

Well, tomorrow’s Sunday; we can ask a Priest!

God bless,
jd
 
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