Was Jesus given a Trinitarian Baptism?

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When John the Baptist baptised Jesus, did he say “In the name of the Father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit”? [Or words to that effect] or was Jesus baptised in a completely different manner since he IS the Son?
 
I think its a Tau Cross


Most commonly today, the Cross of Tau is known as the symbol of St. Francis. It is “widely believed” that Francis attended the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215AD, where Pope Innocent III described the Cross of Tau as having “exactly the same form as the Cross on which our Lord was crucified on Calvary, and only those will be marked with this sign and will obtain mercy who have mortified their flesh and conformed their life to that of the Crucified Savior.” Shortly after that, Francis became a bit obsessed with the TAU, using only this symbol as a signature when asked to sign his name to something and drawing it on the doors and walls of places where he stayed. He, like many, thought of it as a sort of protection and aid in health and general well-being. St. Francis’s followers, inspired by the saint’s use of the symbol, quickly adopted it and turned it into the overreaching symbol of everything St. Francis stood for in his life and teachings.

OK, but what IS it?

“TAU” is based on the Greek letter “T”, pronounced in Hebrew the same way but written as an “X”, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet. Its been used in religious ceremonies for thousands of years, possibly starting with the Ancient Egyptians who mounted it to an oval (“Ru”) and called it an “Ankh”. It’s appeared in Greek, Roman and Norse mythology, and was sited by name in the Book of Ezekiel: “Mark Thau upon the foreheads of the men that sigh”. (Ezekiel 9:4 DRA) For that reason, it is sometimes called the “Old Testament Cross”.

Some theologians and historians believe that Jesus was crucified on a Tau Cross, not the four-pointed cross that represents the Christian church today. This is one thing that Pope Innocent III spoke of, and perhaps one reason Francis took it as his symbol.

St. Francis wasn’t the first to embrace the symbolism of the Tau Cross, though. In the third century AD St. Anthony the Abbot of Egypt, thought of as being the father of the monastic tradition, walked with a crutch in the shape of the Tau Cross. When he would enter a cave to meditate or visit a fellow holy man, he would leave the Tau Cross outside as a symbol of communication with God to any who would pass by.

The Antonines, the monastic order of St. Anthony, was supposedly started by a French nobleman in 1095AD after the saint appeared to him in a vision, instructing him to plant a Tau Cross in the ground to help cure his son of disease. After that, Tau Crosses were worn as amulets throughout much of the Middle Ages to protect against sickness.

Across cultures, across millennia, the Cross of Tau has been a symbol of life, immortality, resurrection and general well-being.
 
Most commonly today, the Cross of Tau is known as …
Two questions.

(1) Are you sure you meant to post your comment on this thread, which is about Jesus and John the Baptist?

(2) Are you asking a question? You don’t seem to be expecting any feedback from other posters.
 
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what i means is John the Baptist ,might have used the Tau Cross as it is a traditional Jewish blessing right from the time of Moses ,as Joshua put the same sigh on the door post at the Passover.
 
John the Baptist could not have baptized Jesus in the Trinitarian form. The baptism of Jesus was the start of Jesus’ public life. He hadn’t even taught on the Trinity yet, so there is no way that even John the Baptist, who was aware from the womb of Jesus’ divine origins, would have been baptizing people in the Trinitarian form.

The baptism of John the Baptist was a ritual for the remission of sins. As someone said it was more akin to a Jewish ritual bath. It was not a Trinitarian baptism into the Church.
 
John did not use the Trinitarian formula, it was unknown to him then, but the effect or the whole scenario rather, was Trinitarian.

The dove (Holy Spirit) and the Father were there who said, “This is my Son …” and Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity.
 
Surely it was Trinitarian because all the three Persons showed up: the Father when He spoke, the Son as Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost when descended as a dove.

I would also say that it was both the Trinitarian Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation at the same time because it marked the beginning of the ministries and public defense of the true faith by Jesus Christ. I’m not sure about this one though because I don’t know whether there was oil during the event.
 
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Surely it was Trinitarian because all the three Persons showed up: the Father when He spoke, the Son as Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost when descended as a dove.
When we talk about a “trinitarian baptism” in the context of the Christian sacrament, we’re really talking about the words with which a person is baptized: “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”… which were given to us by Jesus immediately prior to his ascension (see Mt 28:19).
I would also say that it was both the Trinitarian Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation at the same time
I disagree, on a couple of counts.
because it marked the beginning of the ministries and public defense of the true faith by Jesus Christ.
However, sacraments are given to the Church by Jesus. The Church didn’t come into existence until Pentecost, so whatever it was, it wasn’t a sacrament.
I’m not sure about this one though because I don’t know whether there was oil during the event.
There would not have been oil. In the Jewish covenant, anointing was a sign that one had been ordained priest, prophet, or king. (That’s the idea behind the anointing with chrism in Catholic baptism!) John’s baptism was merely one of repentance.
 
@Aulef and @Reuben_J beat me to it!

Of course Jesus’ baptism was Trinitarian.

Jesus Himself, the Second Person of the Trinity, was the One being Baptized.

The Holy Ghost, the Third Person of the Trinity, descended on the One being Baptized.

Lastly, the Father spoke from heaven, approving both the Baptism and the One on whom the Spirit rested.

If THAT’S not a Trinitarian baptism… Then we’re in a lot of trouble!
 
I, John, baptize You in the Name of the Father, and You, and of the Holy Spirit. 🤣
 
However, sacraments are given to the Church by Jesus. The Church didn’t come into existence until Pentecost, so whatever it was, it wasn’t a sacrament
I’m quite certain that every one of the seven Sacraments that Christ instituted was well before Pentecost, were they not?
 
I replied without seeing your message. I would had only liked yours instrad of almost repeating it 👍
 
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No problem. That also often happened to me where I would just reply to the OP but have not read all the posts. \

God bless.
 
I’m quite certain that every one of the seven Sacraments that Christ instituted was well before Pentecost, were they not?
Can you point to an instance of the Church celebrating a sacrament prior to Pentecost? (Partial credit for discussions of the potential for post-Last-Supper celebrations of the Eucharist, or the potential for reconciliation a la John 20:23 prior to Pentecost… but those would be conjecture, right? 😉 )
 
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