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I know it’s not a dogma, but is it possible for a Catholic to believe John was sinless in light of: “no one born of woman is greater than he.”?
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That just means he was cleansed of original sin prior to birth, which is why his nativity is one of three celebrated on the Liturgical calendar (along with Mary and Jesus’). In fact, the fact that he was sanctified in his mother’s womb, rather than prevented from experiencing original sin (like Mary and Jesus), directly contradicts the notion he was sinless.There is no dogma about John the Baptist and his sinlessness. However, there is some language throughout Tradition. I want to say I’ve read it in some of the ECFs that he was freed from sin in the 6th month in his mother’s womb (when he “leapt for joy” in the Gospel of Luke). He was not freed from original sin, of course, as was Mary.
Pope Leo XIII, in 1894 used language that sounds like this may be a valid position to hold in the encyclical Iucunda Semper Expectatione, in which he writes:Then St. John the Baptist, by a singular privilege, is sanctified in his mother’s womb and favored with special graces that he might prepare the way of the Lord; and this comes to pass by the greeting of Mary who had been inspired to visit her cousin.
I specifically said in my post he was not free from original sin.In fact, the fact that he was sanctified in his mother’s womb, rather than prevented from experiencing original sin (like Mary and Jesus), directly contradicts the notion he was sinless.
You’re right - my mistake, I didn’t see that. I’m confused, then. Since you apparently understand what the pope means, how do you infer that this removal of original sin means that he’s sinless? I may by misunderstanding your point.I specifically said in my post he was not free from original sin.![]()
We accept that John the Baptist was sanctified in his mothers womb and born without Original sin.I know it’s not a dogma, but is it possible for a Catholic to believe John was sinless in light of: “no one born of woman is greater than he.”?
God bless.
So the OP may be modified to ‘Could a Catholic believe St John never committed an actual sin from the time he was born?’We accept that John the Baptist was sanctified in his mothers womb and born without Original sin.
This is a very, very broad use of “explicit.”It is crystal clear from Scripture that St. John the Baptist was baptized within his mother’s womb through his encounter with the unborn Jesus within Mary’s womb. It is also clear that Jesus spoke highly of John, saying: “Amen I say to you, there hath not risen among them that are born of women a greater than John the Baptist” (Matt. 11:11). This clearly expresses that he was free of all sin from that point on. St. John the Baptist did not feel worthy to even loose the straps of Jesus’ sandals for the simple fact that he was conceived with original sin and was cleansed of it in utero by encountering Christ in the womb of Mary. So, I would say that this is an indispensable dogma, not merely because the Pope and Bishops throughout the centuries have proclaimed it unanimously, but also because it is explicitly in Scripture.
He was conceived with Original Sin and therefore was subject to the effects of Original Sin. But very well could have received the graces necessary to avoid personal sin.So the OP may be modified to ‘Could a Catholic believe St John never committed an actual sin from the time he was born?’
Since original sin is not actually sin (see the Catechism), I would have no problem saying that somebody who committed no sin was sinless.That just means he was cleansed of original sin prior to birth, which is why his nativity is one of three celebrated on the Liturgical calendar (along with Mary and Jesus’). In fact, the fact that he was sanctified in his mother’s womb, rather than prevented from experiencing original sin (like Mary and Jesus), directly contradicts the notion he was sinless.
There is no teaching on this but tradition has it that John was conceived in original sin but was born free from orginal sin.I know it’s not a dogma, but is it possible for a Catholic to believe John was sinless in light of: “no one born of woman is greater than he.”?
God bless.
We accept that John the Baptist was sanctified in his mothers womb and born without Original sin.