Was Luke Mistaken?

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steve53:
… as is the case with Cyberseeker, your delusions are not only ego-syntonic but ego-reinforcing, so apparently there is no hope.
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I have place my conclusion to this problem on the Hermeneutics Stack website. My purpose in coming here is because I appreciate the feedback from Christians who are familiar with the Church Fathers. Thank you for your replies so far. 🙂

Tertulian (being a Roman) would have used a Roman calendar system of dating reigns of emperors. So, the part year of AD 14 would have been considered Tiberius’ accession, and AD 15 would have been year 1, and so on. Hence the Lord would have been revealed in AD 26. It would have referred to his baptism in the year that John began baptising, and by the time Jesus came out of his wilderness temptation, the beginning his ministry would have been early AD 27.

So Tertulian’s system** fits well with an AD 30 crucifixion**. There is a growing consensus among Bible scholars that this date fits the facts better than the other popular option of AD 33. Also, the Tertulian schema, **does not contradict the gospel of Luke **as first appears. Yes, Tiberius became sole emperor on the death of his adoptive father, Augustus in AD 14. However, it is a well-known fact that he had become **co-regent **with his ailing father two years earlier in AD 12. In that year, he was made supreme military commander over Caesar’s armies and provinces. Ancient coins from Antioch dated AD 12 display the head of Tiberius and documents attest to his reign being fully in force from that time. Thus, his inauguration in AD 14 as emperor was only a formalisation of a reign that had begun two years earlier.

Therefore, the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius (as Luke put it) would make Jesus’ baptism AD 26, just the same as Tertulian’s conclusion, albeit by a different method of getting there. Neither Luke or Tertulian were mistaken! :cool:
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You may be interested in how Jimmy Akin deduced Christ death on AD33 biblically. No external sources at all. I haven’t spotted any logic errors yet. And it rests entirely on 2 points:
  1. The Passover coincide with the Sabbath i.e. Fri-evening to Sat-eve because John said it was a high day. Jn:19:31. The complete list of the days between A.D. 29 and 36 on whose evenings Passover began:

    Monday, April 18, A.D. 29
    Friday, April 7, A.D. 30
    Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31
    Monday, April 14, A.D. 32
    Friday, April 3, A.D. 33
    Wednesday, March 24, A.D. 34
    Tuesday, April 12, A.D. 35
    Saturday, March 31, A.D. 36
So only 2 possible dates are available since we know Jesus was crucified on a Friday.
  1. Since Jesus ministry started on the 15th year of Tiberius reign i.e. 29AD, 30 AD is out as that would make his ministry too short. That leave us with 33 AD.
ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/when-precisely-did-jesus-die-the-year-month-day-and-hour-revealed
 
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ericc:
The complete list of the days between A.D. 29 and 36 on whose evenings Passover began:
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Monday, April 18, A.D. 29
Friday, April 7, A.D. 30
Tuesday, March 27, A.D. 31
Monday, April 14, A.D. 32
Friday, April 3, A.D. 33
Wednesday, March 24, A.D. 34
Tuesday, April 12, A.D. 35
Saturday, March 31, A.D. 36
So only 2 possible dates are available since we know Jesus was crucified on a Friday.
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Jimmy Akin has done his homework, 👍 and I agree that AD 30 and AD 33 are the only years between 29 and 36 that fit the lunar cycles. My choice is 7th April AD30.
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ericc:
Since Jesus ministry started on the 15th year of Tiberius reign i.e. 29AD, 30 AD is out as that would make his ministry too short. That leave us with 33 AD.
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That is why I say Tertulian’s “12th year” is right, and Luke’s “15th year” is also right, when Luke’s count is taken from Tiberius’ co-regency.

Incidentally, does Mr Akin deal with John 2:20? I couldn’t find it on his article.
 
One thing is sure – Augustus died in AD 14 and Tiberius succeeded him. From that anchor point, we must resolve the ‘contradiction’ between Luke and Tertulian by concluding that:
  • Either Luke or Tertulian was mistaken, (or)
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    Both are right, but they begin counting from different start-points.
I believe the latter option - Tertulian counts from AD 14, and Luke counts from Tiberius’ co-regency beginning AD11/12. Both counts locate John Baptists early ministry (and Jesus’ baptism) in AD 26.

Tiberius’ co-regency has been reliably dated by Roman Empire historian Theodor Mommsen, but some historians have questioned whether Tiberius’ authority was enough to warrant treating it as the beginning of his reign. Apparently it was justified, because his ‘Caesar status’ is indicated by his face appearing on the official coinage during this period. In short, Luke considered Tiberius’ coregency sufficient in status to count from then.

The following picture is a coin showing Augustus with Tiberius as Caesar (reverse side) minted during the co-regency. The coin was struck in AD13 (information provided by ‘Classical Numismatic Group.’)

http://5loaves2fishes.net/files/images/tibaug13(1).jpg
 
Cyber seeker, you’ve got to get off this co-regency schtick.

It just ain’t working, bro.
 
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